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Old 07-20-15, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
there are high-quality aluminum frames that could give superior comfort compared to an uncommonly rigid steel frame.
Which ones?
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Originally Posted by Jarrett2
Which ones?
CAAD10 compared to Raleigh Record Ace.
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
You are making broad generalizations about steel and aluminum frames, and about narrow and wide tires.
I'm not making generalizations. I'm giving you my own personal experience. This is all I have to give, and anything I post on here should be treated in this way.

I can also tell you that my steel frame bike running the same tires as my aluminum frame bike is more comfortable by miles. Again, personal, subjective, anecdotal experience based on comparing two bikes. Nothing more.

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Originally Posted by dr_lha
I'm not making generalizations.
Originally Posted by dr_lha
Tires can't make up all the difference between a stiff aluminum bone shaker and a quality steel ride.
See above.
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
See above.
Should I just put "in my experience" as my signature then? I think that's implied in any opinion posted on this forum. FFS!
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225 and ride a madone 5.2 full carbon ultegra - no issues
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For the record I know plenty of people who ride CF frames and don't know anyone who's had a failure. This includes some Clydes, mostly in the 230-260lb range. I have no experience riding one myself however.
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Originally Posted by dr_lha
Should I just put "in my experience" as my signature then? I think that's implied in any opinion posted on this forum. FFS!
You exact words were: "Tires can't make up all the difference between a stiff aluminum bone shaker and a quality steel ride."

The sentence before that was referring to your two specific bike, but then you extrapolated from your sample size of two to include any aluminum 'bone shaker' and any 'quality steel ride'.

Don't get me wrong - you can generalize, exaggerate, or even flat out lie whenever you want for all I care, but if what you are saying is not able to be substantiated, or is just complete BS, you may be challenged.
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Frankly my dear I don't give a f*ck. it's easy to misrepresent someone when you quote without the context of what I said before it. I think the sentence before makes it clear, but whatever.

In my experience, larger tires don't cure bad frames. OK? I'm correcting myself for you. That is what I meant.
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Originally Posted by dr_lha
In my experience, larger tires didn't cure a bad frame.
Corrected your correction for you.
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Wow this is becoming quite 41ish!
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Going about as well as any thread where frame material is mentioned.
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Originally Posted by dr_lha
Going about as well as any thread where frame material is mentioned.
Hahahaha.
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Wow this is becoming quite 41ish!
the 41 common cure is to have full carbon frame and full carbon wheels, spokes included
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Originally Posted by dr_lha
Going about as well as any thread where frame material is mentioned.
True that
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Originally Posted by dr_lha
In my experience, larger tires don't cure bad frames.
My experience concurs.
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Originally Posted by jsigone
the 41 common cure is to have full carbon frame and full carbon wheels, spokes included
Well, Enve actually doesn't put a weight limit on their wheels, ya know...

Actually, my shop was trying to tell me that the carbon wheels that Spesh put on the Diverge would hold big guys, as would the deep-dish new ones. Cuz moar carbonz.
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I am 300+ and have about 3000 miles on my Felt Z5 full carbon. ZERO issues. Just get a strong wheelset.
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yes. 230ish stock trek 5.2 domane. 4-5 rides per week. 10-30 miles per ride.

Issues = none.
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Good thing these bikes don't use motor oil or the madness would never end
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier
Wrong!

But thanks for playing.
Actually no, not WRONG! That's a very small sampling comparison to make your assumption and it doesn't take much further reading to find out that yes, 28mm tyres roll better, but as the tyres get larger, the trade off to carcase weight negates the rolling benefit and as such. The trade off actually steepens rapidly as the tyres go past 28mm. From there, you can look at tread types and pressures, but when comparing red apples with green apples, the 23-26mm range that the pros use is where it's at for overall fast riding purposes. They put a lot of money into that research, so pay attention. How a tyre rolls is only a small part of the equation.
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Originally Posted by Flatbroke
Good thing these bikes don't use motor oil or the madness would never end
Now let's talk best chain lube to further this reasoned discussion
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Originally Posted by brawlo
From there, you can look at tread types and pressures, but when comparing red apples with green apples, the 23-26mm range that the pros use is where it's at for overall fast riding purposes.
If you're a professional bicyclist trying to win races, then you should definitely follow this recommendation.

If you're a recreational cyclist with 25+mm of spacers under your stem and a 2300g Deep V wheelset who doesn't regularly ride in a 25+mph pace line, the tire size you pick probably doesn't matter so much. A wide, fast-rolling tire like the 700x32 Vittoria Voyager Hyper might increase comfort noticeably while not being terribly slower than a 700x25 training tire...
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Originally Posted by sstorkel
If you're a professional bicyclist trying to win races, then you should definitely follow this recommendation.

If you're a recreational cyclist with 25+mm of spacers under your stem and a 2300g Deep V wheelset who doesn't regularly ride in a 25+mph pace line, the tire size you pick probably doesn't matter so much. A wide, fast-rolling tire like the 700x32 Vittoria Voyager Hyper might increase comfort noticeably while not being terribly slower than a 700x25 training tire...
Don't miss the point. The factors that a lot of recreational cyclists are chasing are quite similar to those of the professional, albeit far less of a necessity. For most recreational cyclists however, they are ok to trade off some speed or ease of climbing for ride comfort. Plenty are not. The point was made and it wasn't correct.

Also consider the fact that any frame that can accomodate 32mm tyres will be a far more comfortable frame to ride in general than one that is focussed around 23-25mm tyres. Frame geometry and then frame material and tube profiles means a whole lot more to comfort than some pieces of rubber.

Also don't discount tyre pressure. 32s can easily feel as uncomfortable as 25s at the right(wrong) pressure.

The conundrum isn't just black and white. There are far too many variables for any blanket staements to be made on discussions like these, which makes them so futile and polarising........ but good entertainment if you have nothing better to do
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