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    Wheel choices for Clydes/Athenas

    What rims/wheelsets have you had good luck with? I'm looking at a Mavic open pro 36h,105 build vs a Velocity deep V 36h,105 build. I'm currently 280 lbs and ride a cannondale Quick4 that has cannondale C4 wheels with 32h and have experienced no problems.

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    The Mavic Open Pros have been no so good lately. I know a few stores that have switched over to the Velocity stuff for Clydes and its working well.

    Personally, I like the DT Swiss stuff. I am riding some Joe Young built DT Swiss right now, but Excel can build them as well.

    Something like this would work:

    Front Wheel Summary

    Shimano Ultegra HB-6800 Front Hub 32 Hole$59.95
    DT Swiss RR 440 Rim Black 32 Hole$87.21
    DT Swiss Competition 14/15 Gauge Spokes Black$40.00
    DT Swiss 14g Brass$4.48
    Lacing Pattern3 Cross
    Labor $25.00
    Sub Total $207.90
    Total Weight 834g

    Rear Wheel Summary

    Shimano Ultegra FH-6800 Rear Hub 32 Hole $104.74
    DT Swiss RR 440 Asymmetric Rim Black 32 Hole $87.21
    DT Swiss Competition 14/15 Gauge Spokes Black$20.00
    DT Swiss Competition 14/15 Gauge Spokes Black$20.00
    DT Swiss 14g Brass$4.48
    Lacing Pattern : Non-Drive Side3 Cross
    Lacing Pattern : Drive Side3 Cross
    Labor $25.00
    Sub Total $261.43
    Total $261.43
    Total Weight 1038g
    Discount $19.80
    Grand Total $449.00

    If you don't mind something heavier, you can get some good deals here:

    Velocity Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike

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    If you buy wheels now, get them wider than the traditional 19mm (I believe Deep V rims are still relatively narrow). Lots of options, shop around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fldaves View Post
    What rims/wheelsets have you had good luck with? I'm looking at a Mavic open pro 36h,105 build vs a Velocity deep V 36h,105 build. I'm currently 280 lbs and ride a cannondale Quick4 that has cannondale C4 wheels with 32h and have experienced no problems.
    Your WASTING your time.. those C-dale rims are excellent. Sold a pair off my Q6.. I don't need that kind of added wt. Made for the long haul.. then some.

    Lots of the new rims are junk. Main item for those peddling retail is the profit margin... net per unit sale. Kinlin 270's are the best buy made..albeit only to 32H.. that one can find.

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    I wouldn't bother on that bike. Those wheels are solid. If you still want to upgrade, I'd use Dyads rather than DeepVs for that application. I'd certainly go Velocity over Mavic though.
    Further, faster, harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fldaves View Post
    I'm currently 280 lbs and ride a cannondale Quick4 that has cannondale C4 wheels with 32h and have experienced no problems.
    If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett2 View Post
    but Excel can build them as well.
    A pity they don't have 36 spoke options.
    You can have my Disc Brakes, when you pry them from my cold, dead hands.

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    That's true, but even up to 325 lbs, I've never found the need for more than 32 spokes on well built wheels.

    Right now at 280, I'm running 32 in back and 28 in the front and its all good.

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    I am 280, havent been under 250 in the last 10 years and I ride 36 spoke rear. I currently have 36 spoke touring wheels on my bike. I built a Velocity Dyad 32 spoke rear, because of the Campy hub and it worked fine, rebuilt it and a buddy is using it. 105 hubs will work. I have also have used Mavic Axsium and they worked for a year or so.

    Really just go with a hand built 36 spoke rear and you will not have to worry.

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    I'm 280 pounds right now. Riding 32h Velocity Blunt 35s on XT hubs with no issues whatsoever. These were what I bought for my frame up build. I do have a second set of wheels setup with narrower rims and different tires but in all honesty I rarely use them. If I knew what I know now I would have simply stuck with the 35s and swapped out tires as needed and used the money I spent on the second set of wheels for other bike projects.

    While I do absolutely understand the desire to upgrade it really isn't necessary.
    Like JerrySTL said - If it ain't broke dont fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fldaves View Post
    What rims/wheelsets have you had good luck with? I'm looking at a Mavic open pro 36h,105 build vs a Velocity deep V 36h,105 build. I'm currently 280 lbs and ride a cannondale Quick4 that has cannondale C4 wheels with 32h and have experienced no problems.
    Open Pros are old-skool, and not in a good way. Avoid.

    Deep-Vs work for me (I have a set of 36h which I bought at 290lbs and have been solid), but as others have said, look for a wider rim. I've got a pair of H Plus Son Archetypes and they are very good. For my next wheel build I'm looking at Pacenti SL23s.

    BTW if your current wheels are working for you, why get another pair?

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    I'm not questioning this man's reasoning.

    If he wants to blow some dough on cycling stuff, I say go for it!

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    I ran stock mavic krysirum rims on my Allez up to 360 pounds. Never out of true but the spoke holes are starting spider crack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett2 View Post
    I'm not questioning this man's reasoning.

    If he wants to blow some dough on cycling stuff, I say go for it!
    Good point well made!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett2 View Post
    The Mavic Open Pros have been no so good lately. I know a few stores that have switched over to the Velocity stuff for Clydes and its working well.

    Personally, I like the DT Swiss stuff. I am riding some Joe Young built DT Swiss right now, but Excel can build them as well.

    Something like this would work:

    Front Wheel Summary


    Shimano Ultegra HB-6800 Front Hub 32 Hole$59.95
    DT Swiss RR 440 Rim Black 32 Hole$87.21
    DT Swiss Competition 14/15 Gauge Spokes Black$40.00
    DT Swiss 14g Brass$4.48
    Lacing Pattern3 Cross
    Labor $25.00
    Sub Total $207.90
    Total Weight 834g

    Rear Wheel Summary


    Shimano Ultegra FH-6800 Rear Hub 32 Hole $104.74
    DT Swiss RR 440 Asymmetric Rim Black 32 Hole $87.21
    DT Swiss Competition 14/15 Gauge Spokes Black$20.00
    DT Swiss Competition 14/15 Gauge Spokes Black$20.00
    DT Swiss 14g Brass$4.48
    Lacing Pattern : Non-Drive Side3 Cross
    Lacing Pattern : Drive Side3 Cross
    Labor $25.00
    Sub Total $261.43
    Total $261.43
    Total Weight 1038g
    Discount $19.80
    Grand Total $449.00

    If you don't mind something heavier, you can get some good deals here:

    Velocity Velomine.com : Worldwide Bicycle Shop, fixed gear track bike wheelsets campagnolo super record vintage bike
    just off of the phone with joe. Think I may have him build me a rear wheel. Where are you coming up with the discount? Do you think the ultegra hub is better or worse than a DT 240 hub?

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    The breakdown I listed above is from Excel Sports online wheel builder:

    Custom Wheel Builder - Excel Sports Boulder

    When you build a wheel there, they automatically incorporate a discount.

    Joe can build the same thing, but he really doesn't like the Ultegra hubs for some reason that I can't figure out why. Personally, I can tell no difference between the hubs, but the DT hubs do match the rim/spoke color scheme which looks cool.

    Personally, I wanted a set from Joe because he has so many local customers that sing his praises that I wanted to give them a try. So far, they are the best wheels I've owned.

    One thing, the cassette bodies on the 240's will scar from a strong rider. Mine did. It was hard getting the cassette off the body, but I filed down the scarred part and continued using. Joe said that you can get a steel replacement from DT if you send them a pic. I haven't done it yet.

    On the other hand, the Ultegra is a little heavier in weight, but did not scar under my weight/strength.

    Also, if you check out the pro lock nipple option. Joe builds his wheels with them. Also avoid DT Revolutions and go with DT Competition spokes, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett2 View Post
    The breakdown I listed above is from Excel Sports online wheel builder:

    Custom Wheel Builder - Excel Sports Boulder

    When you build a wheel there, they automatically incorporate a discount.

    Joe can build the same thing, but he really doesn't like the Ultegra hubs for some reason that I can't figure out why. Personally, I can tell no difference between the hubs, but the DT hubs do match the rim/spoke color scheme which looks cool.

    Personally, I wanted a set from Joe because he has so many local customers that sing his praises that I wanted to give them a try. So far, they are the best wheels I've owned.

    One thing, the cassette bodies on the 240's will scar from a strong rider. Mine did. It was hard getting the cassette off the body, but I filed down the scarred part and continued using. Joe said that you can get a steel replacement from DT if you send them a pic. I haven't done it yet.

    On the other hand, the Ultegra is a little heavier in weight, but did not scar under my weight/strength.

    Also, if you check out the pro lock nipple option. Joe builds his wheels with them. Also avoid DT Revolutions and go with DT Competition spokes, imo.
    He mentioned competition spokes or another super comp DT spoke. Forgot the name. Price was about $500. Didn't ask if it came with a skewer or not. I'm assuming the wheel comes complete and all I need to do is remove and install my cassette, tube and tire.

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    $450 coins for a 'new' set .......

    Your 'builder' is putting at least two bills in his pocket. Messing with something already working is asking for disappointment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flatbroke View Post
    I'm assuming the wheel comes complete and all I need to do is remove and install my cassette, tube and tire.
    Mine did.

    The DT Swiss stuff is a little more expensive than Velocity, but so far its the only wheel that's been good to me. I think going with a RR440 Asymmetric rear wheel with 32 DT Competition spokes and Pro Lock nipples and your choice of hub is as good a wheel as I've found in both the reliability and weight category, at least for Clyde proof alloy clinchers.

    If you want to go heavier and less expensive, the Velocity and WTB wheels on Velomine's site are hard to beat. I personally just don't mind spending a little more for the DT stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett2 View Post
    The Mavic Open Pros have been no so good lately. I know a few stores that have switched over to the Velocity stuff for Clydes and its working well.
    Since when have Mavic Open Pros "been no so good lately"? I am 6' 225 and have bought 2 sets of rims lately and they have been perfect Personally I won't run anything under 32 hole and prefer 36 going to 28 hole to save a few ounces at my weight is just well silly.

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    Last year is when the local LBS's stopped using them. I assume it happened before that.

    If you're running 36 hole at 225, even a bad rim will likely be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett2 View Post
    Last year is when the local LBS's stopped using them. I assume it happened before that.

    If you're running 36 hole at 225, even a bad rim will likely be fine.
    What bad Rim?

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