"Fit but fat" a myth
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"Fit but fat" a myth
'Fat but fit' have higher risk of heart disease, study says - CNN
However, I don't see any mention of those who are overweight yet exercise daily. Actually I don't see any mention of exercise at all, and doubt the prognosis would be the same for those who do.
However, I don't see any mention of those who are overweight yet exercise daily. Actually I don't see any mention of exercise at all, and doubt the prognosis would be the same for those who do.
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"Metabolically Healthy" at the START of the study. The healthy overweight may have been more likely to slip into the metabolically unhealthy category during the 12 years of the study.
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I'm fat but fit - 230# @ 6'1" (I've shrunk 3/4"). I rarely ride 2 days in a row and I ride about 100 miles a week. 2 years ago I did intervals and I'd regularly get my AHM to 150 for minute 2-8* or each hard effort segment. It impressed my friend , an exceptionally good physical therapist.
But "fat" is bad, IMO, and I'd think it must hurt my health. (As well as my climbing speed!)
* I excluded the first minute because I would be ramping up from about 100 BPM, so I didn't want to skew the results.
But "fat" is bad, IMO, and I'd think it must hurt my health. (As well as my climbing speed!)
* I excluded the first minute because I would be ramping up from about 100 BPM, so I didn't want to skew the results.
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I also consider myself fat but fit. Been physically active my whole life but have ranged from slightly to quite fat since I hit my 20s. Am currently quite fat and pretty much hating it. Was a pro-am ballroom dancer in my youth and the years in my mid to late teens were the only ones where you could tell I had stomach muscles. Since I hit middle age I've done cardio exercise either daily or at least most days as a way to try and keep the weight gains reasonable. I currently spend 45-55 minutes jogging on a treadmill in the morning and 35 minutes on the bike each work day. Have both size 36 and 38 pants in my wardrobe so I always has something that fits properly. Actually, I think I still have some size 34 too, but I haven't been able to dig those out in many years. Actually I don't really know why I hang onto them. Maybe someday!
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I really do wonder how many of those "fat but fit" people in the study exercised on a regular basis? If you're sedentary and overweight, of course you're going to be at a much higher risk of heart disease. But what about people who really are active (and I mean more than just walking around the block once in a while) but still a bit overweight?
At any rate, this study has to be bad news for the HAES people. They seem to believe that a person can be healthy even when morbidly obese.
At any rate, this study has to be bad news for the HAES people. They seem to believe that a person can be healthy even when morbidly obese.
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'Fat but fit' have higher risk of heart disease, study says - CNN
However, I don't see any mention of those who are overweight yet exercise daily. Actually I don't see any mention of exercise at all, and doubt the prognosis would be the same for those who do.
However, I don't see any mention of those who are overweight yet exercise daily. Actually I don't see any mention of exercise at all, and doubt the prognosis would be the same for those who do.
I really do wonder how many of those "fat but fit" people in the study exercised on a regular basis? If you're sedentary and overweight, of course you're going to be at a much higher risk of heart disease. But what about people who really are active (and I mean more than just walking around the block once in a while) but still a bit overweight?
At any rate, this study has to be bad news for the HAES people. They seem to believe that a person can be healthy even when morbidly obese.
At any rate, this study has to be bad news for the HAES people. They seem to believe that a person can be healthy even when morbidly obese.
https://www.bhf.org.uk/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/fat-but-fit
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There is a lot of ambiguity in these articles. One is obesity isn't a disease in and of itself. It is a symptom of other issues. In many cases that is insulin resistance due to excessively high and sustained intake of carbohydrates which is almost unavoidable (without much focus on foods) in our modern diets. Studies are showing that as the underlying cause of many metabolic syndrome-based diseases such as heart disease.
Meaning, cut the carbs, fix insulin resistance and your heart will thank you. Also, BMI will decrease as a side effect.
Meaning, cut the carbs, fix insulin resistance and your heart will thank you. Also, BMI will decrease as a side effect.
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There is a lot of ambiguity in these articles. One is obesity isn't a disease in and of itself. It is a symptom of other issues. In many cases that is insulin resistance due to excessively high and sustained intake of carbohydrates which is almost unavoidable (without much focus on foods) in our modern diets. Studies are showing that as the underlying cause of many metabolic syndrome-based diseases such as heart disease.
Meaning, cut the carbs, fix insulin resistance and your heart will thank you. Also, BMI will decrease as a side effect.
Meaning, cut the carbs, fix insulin resistance and your heart will thank you. Also, BMI will decrease as a side effect.
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That is a really strange video. It's 180 degrees off from every other video that talks about insulin resistance.
Edit: Oh I see, its from a doctor pushing a vegan diet. Got it. There is a lot more info out there supporting the cause of insulin resistance to be excess carb intake.
Edit: Oh I see, its from a doctor pushing a vegan diet. Got it. There is a lot more info out there supporting the cause of insulin resistance to be excess carb intake.
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I'm also curious as to what they mean exactly by "obese." Are we talking a few extra pounds? BMI of 30 or above? Being morbidly obese?
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Exactly; I'm fat, every important metabolic number is perfect, yet I ended up with a mild stroke, and until I started cycling again, every joint in my lower body ached.
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My wife just got word on Tuesday that one of her colleagues died of a massive stroke at the wheel of his car (fortunately it was in his driveway - don't know if he was just going someplace or just back). Because he was single I guess nobody missed him until somebody found him sitting at the wheel like 2 days later. 58 years old. Fat, yes, and possibly not fit (I don't know what his exercise regimen was, if any). The blessing I suppose is that it didn't happen while he was actually driving.
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That is a really strange video. It's 180 degrees off from every other video that talks about insulin resistance.
Edit: Oh I see, its from a doctor pushing a vegan diet. Got it. There is a lot more info out there supporting the cause of insulin resistance to be excess carb intake.
Edit: Oh I see, its from a doctor pushing a vegan diet. Got it. There is a lot more info out there supporting the cause of insulin resistance to be excess carb intake.
"Eat at least five serves of vegetables and two pieces of fruit each day.
Eat wholegrain foods everyday such as high fibre breakfast cereals, multigrain bread, oats, barley and cracked wheat.
Enjoy legumes (dried peas, beans and lentils) on a regular basis.
Include low glycaemic index (GI) foods. Low GI foods can help by slowing the rate of absorption of glucose into the blood stream, so not as much insulin is required.
Reduce the amount of saturated fat in your diet. Limit commercial cakes and biscuits, fried take-away foods, butter, lard, cream and trim the visible fat off meat."
https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/medical/what-is-insulin-resistance/
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Oh, I did not want to hear that. Sorry. Glad for you that it was only a mild one.
My wife just got word on Tuesday that one of her colleagues died of a massive stroke at the wheel of his car (fortunately it was in his driveway - don't know if he was just going someplace or just back). Because he was single I guess nobody missed him until somebody found him sitting at the wheel like 2 days later. 58 years old. Fat, yes, and possibly not fit (I don't know what his exercise regimen was, if any). The blessing I suppose is that it didn't happen while he was actually driving.
My wife just got word on Tuesday that one of her colleagues died of a massive stroke at the wheel of his car (fortunately it was in his driveway - don't know if he was just going someplace or just back). Because he was single I guess nobody missed him until somebody found him sitting at the wheel like 2 days later. 58 years old. Fat, yes, and possibly not fit (I don't know what his exercise regimen was, if any). The blessing I suppose is that it didn't happen while he was actually driving.
I am not the least bit sad about the lack of attention... :-)
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Here is some advice about insulin resistance from the Dietary Association of Australia...
"Eat at least five serves of vegetables and two pieces of fruit each day.
Eat wholegrain foods everyday such as high fibre breakfast cereals, multigrain bread, oats, barley and cracked wheat.
Enjoy legumes (dried peas, beans and lentils) on a regular basis.
Include low glycaemic index (GI) foods. Low GI foods can help by slowing the rate of absorption of glucose into the blood stream, so not as much insulin is required.
Reduce the amount of saturated fat in your diet. Limit commercial cakes and biscuits, fried take-away foods, butter, lard, cream and trim the visible fat off meat."
https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-...in-resistance/
"Eat at least five serves of vegetables and two pieces of fruit each day.
Eat wholegrain foods everyday such as high fibre breakfast cereals, multigrain bread, oats, barley and cracked wheat.
Enjoy legumes (dried peas, beans and lentils) on a regular basis.
Include low glycaemic index (GI) foods. Low GI foods can help by slowing the rate of absorption of glucose into the blood stream, so not as much insulin is required.
Reduce the amount of saturated fat in your diet. Limit commercial cakes and biscuits, fried take-away foods, butter, lard, cream and trim the visible fat off meat."
https://daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-...in-resistance/
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I always up for the science. Dr Greger always backs up his presentations with peer reviewed research. I'd be very happy to have a look at your published scientific reference papers.
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There are too many to post. Just google Insulin Resistance, Ketogenic Diet, Intermittent Fasting, etc. You can read until your heart's content.
Mark Sisson always tags medical research along with his. Could start there.
Mark Sisson always tags medical research along with his. Could start there.
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I'm a HUUUGE low carb convert. there's plenty of literature out there about carbs being the bad guy, especially as we get older. I was a fit fat guy. Great medical numbers, but definitely in the obese category by virtue of muscle mass, but more in the overweight due to fat. It was pointed out to me by a cycling friend that with the sheer amount of cycle work I do that I just shouldn't be as fat as I was. I started with reading a book by Tim Noakes and went for a HFLC diet. Not pidgeonholing into keto, paleo or any of those, just watching the fats/proteins/carbs number for eating. BOOM! I lost 17kg in 10 weeks! Most would consider that to be unhealthy and my health should have suffered. But I was in the depths of summer cycling season (I race track predominantly). I just got faster! (no doubt by virtue of the weight loss) I had more energy, my recovery from training was far better....
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At 6'2", I got up to 265 lbs. during college. I worked three days/week as stock room clerk in a large cafeteria, so I was on my feet for 4-5 hrs. each shift. I also walked for most of my transportation. I started to develop foot pain so I saw a doctor. He examined me and asked "Do you know why your feet hurt?" "No", I responded. "Because you're fat. You need to lose weight." One of the best pieces of medical advice I ever got. Lost 90 lbs. in 9 months solely through diet change and exercise. That was back in '86. Wonder if many docs would still give such blunt advice.
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At 6'2", I got up to 265 lbs. during college. I worked three days/week as stock room clerk in a large cafeteria, so I was on my feet for 4-5 hrs. each shift. I also walked for most of my transportation. I started to develop foot pain so I saw a doctor. He examined me and asked "Do you know why your feet hurt?" "No", I responded. "Because you're fat. You need to lose weight." One of the best pieces of medical advice I ever got. Lost 90 lbs. in 9 months solely through diet change and exercise. That was back in '86. Wonder if many docs would still give such blunt advice.
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I also consider myself fat but fit. Been physically active my whole life but have ranged from slightly to quite fat since I hit my 20s. Am currently quite fat and pretty much hating it. Was a pro-am ballroom dancer in my youth and the years in my mid to late teens were the only ones where you could tell I had stomach muscles. Since I hit middle age I've done cardio exercise either daily or at least most days as a way to try and keep the weight gains reasonable. I currently spend 45-55 minutes jogging on a treadmill in the morning and 35 minutes on the bike each work day. Have both size 36 and 38 pants in my wardrobe so I always has something that fits properly. Actually, I think I still have some size 34 too, but I haven't been able to dig those out in many years. Actually I don't really know why I hang onto them. Maybe someday!
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