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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 01-04-07, 01:41 PM   #1
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Fat but fit.

Most if not all of us here in this forum are a Clydesdale in some respect or another. Some are not over weight but have a large body structure & some are over weight. I am overweight, therefore I'm a clydesdale.

This past summer I was told one day I am what is considered fat but fit. The person who said this is not overweight, does not smoke & eats pretty healthy, but does not exercise, (lucky bastard). He's a good friend of mine.

I stated I do not see how I can be fat & fit at the same time. Typically doesn't fit mean you're not overweight? He said no, not necessarily. I just said ok & shrugged my shoulders. He said let's prove it & wanted to bike race against me. We found 2 road bikes same make, model, style, etc. & did a 5 mile race with a steep climb. I smoked him. At first I thought he was taking it easy on me until he crossed the finish line. I then understood what he meant & I'm about twice as heavy as he is.

Do any of you believe the notion of fat but fit? Obviously it was proven to me because I had doubts. But what is your opinion on it?
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Old 01-04-07, 02:00 PM   #2
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to me personally, fit is being able to run a mile under 10 min, bench pressing more than my body weight, being able to do at least 15 pull ups, and 30 push ups. but thats just me. im 6'4"ish and hovering between 260-280 and people think i dont weigh anything above 220. I consider myself overweight. I think someone can be overweight and fit, although i cant do all said above, muscle does weigh more than fat.
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Old 01-04-07, 02:03 PM   #3
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Most if not all of us here in this forum are a Clydesdale in some respect or another. Some are not over weight but have a large body structure & some are over weight. I am overweight, therefore I'm a clydesdale.

This past summer I was told one day I am what is considered fat but fit. The person who said this is not overweight, does not smoke & eats pretty healthy, but does not exercise, (lucky bastard). He's a good friend of mine.

I stated I do not see how I can be fat & fit at the same time. Typically doesn't fit mean you're not overweight? He said no, not necessarily. I just said ok & shrugged my shoulders. He said let's prove it & wanted to bike race against me. We found 2 road bikes same make, model, style, etc. & did a 5 mile race with a steep climb. I smoked him. At first I thought he was taking it easy on me until he crossed the finish line. I then understood what he meant & I'm about twice as heavy as he is.

Do any of you believe the notion of fat but fit? Obviously it was proven to me because I had doubts. But what is your opinion on it?
when your exercise doesn't require you to move your mass like running or stair climbing, etc. -- I think the overweight but active people compare favorably to inactive people regardless of their weight.

But ultimately, this is a meaningless victory.

I don't mean this as harshly as it sounds.

But take me, I'm very fit for a big fat bastard, but if I don't get my weight down, I'm not going to see my kids get old. I can ride ten centuries this year and log 5,000 miles but if I am still over 300 pounds next January, my year will have been an abject failure to me. (Hell, if I am still looking ahead to 250 I will not consider 2007 to have been a success.)
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when your exercise doesn't require you to move your mass like running or stair climbing, etc. -- I think the overweight but active people compare favorably to inactive people regardless of their weight.

But ultimately, this is a meaningless victory.

I don't mean this as harshly as it sounds.

But take me, I'm very fit for a big fat bastard, but if I don't get my weight down, I'm not going to see my kids get old. I can ride ten centuries this year and log 5,000 miles but if I am still over 300 pounds next January, my year will have been an abject failure to me. (Hell, if I am still looking ahead to 250 I will not consider 2007 to have been a success.)
I don't take it as harsh at all. The victory was more for my friend then me. He wanted to prove me wrong & did. The race wasn't to see who was first across the finish line, but who was the more fit rider. What he proved was despite my weight & because of my conditioning I have from riding I am a more fit cyclist then him. I took as the victory was his, not mine.

Even though he does not exercise I bet he could kick my ass in a running race. If it is one thing I can not do is run very well.
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Physical Education/Kinesiology experts have debated for years what exactly makes a person "fit". Currently, the ideas all revolve around 6-8 categories (i.e.: muscular strength, cardiovasular health, muscular endurance, flexibility, etc...). But, in human performance, there is also this principle called "Specificity". We are only fit in that activity which we train for (practice).

Me, for example:
In college, in order to graduate my Physical Education program, I had to complete a 1-1/2 mile run in 12 minutes or less. It killed me. I barely made the time. But, I was active in cycling and could boast (?) of a 25-minute 10-mile time trial and had one my first race that year--something most cyclists cannot say.

I was fit as a cyclist, but unfit runner. Your friend who rode against you: could he beat you in some other sport/activity like, say, running, because he is skinnier/smaller than you? But not cycling. He hasn't trained for it.

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At 22% bodyfat, I'm not going to be chosen for any underwear modelling gigs. I've recently gotten back into cycling, but I never was lethargic. My previous workout obsession was weightlifting. I'd spend hours upon hours picking up heavy things and putting them back down again. (That's how a friend of mine put it, in an attempt to tell me my hobby was a bit silly.) While weightlifting I didn't concentrate much on endurance cardio. I'd put in my 30 minutes, 3 times a week, but that was it because it's difficult to simultaneously build muscle mass and lose weight. I was, and current am, very fit but also not very slender.
6'6", 255 pounds... Resting HR = 66. BP = 118/68. Those aren't the stats of someone that's ready to keel over from heart problems.
Alas, there is that point where fitness and fatness no longer exist in harmony, but that point will be different for each person. Maybe it's a bodyfat percentage contributing to health problems, maybe it's a cholesterol issue, etc. That's something to discuss with a doctor (which it sounds like you already have, and are on your way to changing things for the better.)

While I'm still healthy right now, I'm not chancing that things could get worse in the future, so I'm in process of dropping some pounds this year.
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