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Old 02-18-07, 10:37 AM   #1
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Difference between Deore, LX, XT hubs?

OK, did I screw up again?

I had a wheelset built by a LBS with Velocity Deep V rims and Shimano Deore hubs. The builder gave me his opinions based on my Deep V recommendation. He said I should go with Shimano Deore high flange hubs (M-525 disc). I asked him if I should bump that up to LX or XT hubs for strength, and he said that the difference in strength and durability were minimal and that the higher priced LX and XT hubs were lighter and not necessarily stronger.

So, what are the differences in these three hubs? Is XT alot better than Deore? Is XT more expensive than Deore because of less weight? Should I have insisted on XT anyway?

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OK, did I screw up again?

I had a wheelset built by a LBS with Velocity Deep V rims and Shimano Deore hubs. The builder gave me his opinions based on my Deep V recommendation. He said I should go with Shimano Deore high flange hubs (M-525 disc). I asked him if I should bump that up to LX or XT hubs for strength, and he said that the difference in strength and durability were minimal and that the higher priced LX and XT hubs were lighter and not necessarily stronger.

So, what are the differences in these three hubs? Is XT alot better than Deore? Is XT more expensive than Deore because of less weight? Should I have insisted on XT anyway?

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XT High Flange gives a shorter spoke run, thus a stronger wheel.

As to shaving grams......not worth it. the difference in strength as the man said is minimal!

Deore is quite sufficient, believe me! XT would be a sweet reward for hitting a goal though!
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Old 02-18-07, 11:38 AM   #3
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XT would be a sweet reward for hitting a goal though!
Yeah, I think I screwed up again. Buying things I don't know about is getting expensive! Haha. This is what I bought in the last month or so:

I bought Mavic Speedcity wheels and tires and tubes and cassettes and disk rotors. Came to about $700 Was told after the fact by many people that 24 spokes was not the way to go.

So I figured: Why trash my investment? I will have another wheelset built and put the Speedcity wheels away until I get lighter.

So I did this:
Had a set of Deep v rims and Deore hubs built up with DT 2.0 spokes built with more tires and tubes and rotors and another cassette. Price: $520 or so.

So after spending $1200.00 on wheels, I am still not happy. Wanted 700 x 35c tires, but is not recommended for the thin Deep V rims. Deore hubs? I should have done better maybe. Spokes? Maybe double- butted? The builder said that the straight guage DT Champion 2.0 spokes were excellent for this application.

So you know where this is leading, right?

In a few weeks, I guess I am gonna have wheelset three built: Velocity Dyad (for the increased width) with XT hubs and those double butted, or alpine 3 spokes. Then I will be known as the jerk who bought $2000 dollars worth of wheels!

Damn, its like going to college (tuition included)

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That just it: I DUNNO!

But spending money sure is fun.

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Old 02-18-07, 12:13 PM   #6
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Yeah, I think I screwed up again. Buying things I don't know about is getting expensive! Haha. This is what I bought in the last month or so:

I bought Mavic Speedcity wheels and tires and tubes and cassettes and disk rotors. Came to about $700 Was told after the fact by many people that 24 spokes was not the way to go.

So I figured: Why trash my investment? I will have another wheelset built and put the Speedcity wheels away until I get lighter.

So I did this:
Had a set of Deep v rims and Deore hubs built up with DT 2.0 spokes built with more tires and tubes and rotors and another cassette. Price: $520 or so.

So after spending $1200.00 on wheels, I am still not happy. Wanted 700 x 35c tires, but is not recommended for the thin Deep V rims. Deore hubs? I should have done better maybe. Spokes? Maybe double- butted? The builder said that the straight guage DT Champion 2.0 spokes were excellent for this application.

So you know where this is leading, right?

In a few weeks, I guess I am gonna have wheelset three built: Velocity Dyad (for the increased width) with XT hubs and those double butted, or alpine 3 spokes. Then I will be known as the jerk who bought $2000 dollars worth of wheels!

Damn, its like going to college (tuition included)

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Cycling is like photography! We turn into gadget heads! Looks like you are going to be well set in the wheel department, on the bright side! Another aspect is that if you find a really sweet Italian steel handbuilt frame, you'll already have the expensive part out of the way.......high quality wheels!
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Cycling is like photography! We turn into gadget heads! Looks like you are going to be well set in the wheel department, on the bright side! Another aspect is that if you find a really sweet Italian steel handbuilt frame, you'll already have the expensive part out of the way.......high quality wheels!
Thanks Tom. Leave it to you to find a positive in every situation!

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Deore hubs are going to be O.K. for your wheels. XT hubs from what I've been able to gather are not just lighter they are stronger. Harder races and higher quality bearings.
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I think you could look at it like this more or less:

Deore = 105
LX = Ultegra
XT = Dura Ace

I had Deore hubs on the old wheels I rode and I never had issues with the hubs, just the crappy spokes and rims. I kept the hubs to use for when I build my own wheels. I finally got the book and now that I have all the tools I need, I plan to build a set of wheels. Not sure if I have enough guts to ride them though. I might see if I can pay the kid down the street to test them for me. He's like Mikey, he'll try anything.
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I think you could look at it like this more or less:

Deore = 105
LX = Ultegra
XT = Dura Ace

I had Deore hubs on the old wheels I rode and I never had issues with the hubs, just the crappy spokes and rims. I kept the hubs to use for when I build my own wheels. I finally got the book and now that I have all the tools I need, I plan to build a set of wheels. Not sure if I have enough guts to ride them though. I might see if I can pay the kid down the street to test them for me. He's like Mikey, he'll try anything.
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I think you could look at it like this more or less:

Deore = 105
LX = Ultegra
XT = Dura Ace

I had Deore hubs on the old wheels I rode and I never had issues with the hubs, just the crappy spokes and rims. I kept the hubs to use for when I build my own wheels. I finally got the book and now that I have all the tools I need, I plan to build a set of wheels. Not sure if I have enough guts to ride them though. I might see if I can pay the kid down the street to test them for me. He's like Mikey, he'll try anything.
XTR = Durace (sort of)
XT = Ultegra (again, sort of, XT the last time I looked was kinda beefy, but supertough)

The comparison isn't exact, suffice it to say that most of what Shimano makes is good stuff, and you don't have to worry about it.

I can't help but think that he has spent enough on wheels. If he wants to spend
money, he should look at new bikes. Or at least a Brooks or Selle AnAnatomica saddle.
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XTR = Durace (sort of)
XT = Ultegra (again, sort of, XT the last time I looked was kinda beefy, but supertough)

The comparison isn't exact, suffice it to say that most of what Shimano makes is good stuff, and you don't have to worry about it.

I can't help but think that he has spent enough on wheels. If he wants to spend
money, he should look at new bikes. Or at least a Brooks or Selle AnAnatomica saddle.
Thanks for the reply. I knew before I started buying wheels that buying a bike was a wiser choice moneywise, but I love messing around with my "Frankenbike". Buying a complete bike instead of wasting money is not really a priority to me at this point. I know I am wasting cash, but I like the satisfaction of riding around on something I put together myself. I guess it is like the classic/vintage guys, but with new stuff.

The main hindrance is that I buy before I figure out what I want/need.

As far as the seat, I never really considered an upgrade from my regular seat. My seat is nice in that it has no stitching on it. I sometimes leave the bike in the rain, and it is pretty much waterproof.

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