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Old 02-19-07, 02:48 PM   #1
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HI guys; so I'm thinking of attending the bike school in Ashton,Oregon, and I was wondering if any one on the forum had any first hand experience with U.B.I., or maybe knew some one who did. My prior experience with privately owned and operated tech schools has left me somewhat skeptical of thier true ability to prepare you for the "real life" issues that you will encounter in your specific field. When I attended tech school for auto repair 15yrs. ago I graduated first in a class of 200, and yet when I started my first job in that field I realized, that after 2yrs. of classes -12hrs. a day-5 days a week,[ I took classes day and night to finish the course 1yr. earlier], I was not at all prepared to actualy make a living turning wrenches. Much of the things the school focused on were out dated by the time I graduated. Not entirely thier fault. Automotive technology advances in leaps and buonds. However, I felt that as supposed "experts" in that field and claiming be on the "cutting edge" of the industry standard, they should have had some degree of foresight. I live in philly so to attend this school it means a round trip airline ticket, food and lodging for a month 2 way fedx shipping for one of my bikes and, a month away from my wife[my source of stability and strength], and my english coonhound[ my best freind]. It just seems like an awfully big step to take in the dark. I would appreciate any and all info/opinions you guys can offer. Grace & Peace. cyclesick
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Old 02-19-07, 02:56 PM   #2
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Post this on the mechanical board. There are people there that have gone there.

FWIW, I suspect you can get a job as an assistant at a bike shop now.

"I live in philly " - Try http://bilenky.com/Home.html, or Triumph.

The thing to remember about bikes is they are much older than cars. There are many bikes from the 1960's sill getting overhauls. On the other hand the new stuff takes years to get to the point that the DIY enthusiast sells on eBay.
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Old 02-19-07, 05:50 PM   #3
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I think you'd be better off if you took all the money you would spend for the school option and use it to fund a free internship in the busiest bike shop in your town. Offer to work for free: three to four months of 10-12 hour days (or whatever) would be an eye opener. Offer to sweep the floor, put bikes together, help with tuneups and so on, whatever they need. Be humble, keep your mouth shut and your eyes/ears open, and bring everybody donuts once in a while.

Real world experience just might be your ticket to an exciting and high-paying career in bicycle repair, doncha know.


Really.


And no, I'm not a bike mechanic, but do appreciate enthusiasm and a willingness to sacrifice in those I'd consider hiring.
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Old 02-19-07, 08:02 PM   #4
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DScott, thankyou for your response. But, there are a few problems with your plan;1) that might be good advice for an 18year old kid still living at home. I am not. I'm 46, married with real life, real adult responsibilities. 2) Because I'm not a kid, I fully understand the difference between sacrificing to get what I want and submitting myself to the abusive of an employer with an ego issue. I have already spent way too much time working long hours for employers who could not be satisfied. In fact the only fruit this ever produced was for them to become more and more abusive and treat me with less and less respect. The harder I worked the worse they treated me. In every Job I've ever had I've been the first one in and the last one to leave, and didn't stop working the entire day, often working through breaks and lunch. Never enough. All this and talked to like dirt in front of co-workers and customers alike. Abuse should never be considered an acceptable part of any ones job description. Your suggestion sets the stage for just such a situation. But, if you're an employer who expects his employees to "be humble" and "keep thier mouths shut" and "bring everbody donuts once in a while", then you're not looking for a dignified, intelligent employee. What you're looking for is some who is willing to be enthusiastic about sacrificing them self for your gain. But,thanks for the input. Grace&Peace. Cyclesick
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Old 02-20-07, 01:35 AM   #5
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Not trying to diss you here, just offering an alternative. No one's saying you gotta be a doormat here.

If I ran an LBS, I'd be pretty impressed with anybody who approached me with enthusiasm and commitment and the ability to reliably do what I need them to do. My belief is that you go further in any business when you see your role as solving other people's problems, and doing it with a good attitude.

That doesn't mean taking crap from people, either. That's why you gotta interview them as much as they gotta interview you for any job.

How much is this school, anyway? What are your goals for this enterprise?
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Old 02-20-07, 03:32 AM   #6
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Yea Cyclesick, I'm an over 40 victim of fate too taking classes at the local Junior College. I assume if you completed a course in Auto repair you must have some mechanical ability. Dscott's advice sounds very reasonable. Make a little money, stay at home and learn how to work on bikes. Even if u leave home and spend money to learn the trade, the abusive employer still looms large. Will a LBS owner respect a certificate from that school?
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Old 02-20-07, 09:52 AM   #7
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DScott, I don't think your trying to diss me. But, neither were the employers that I've had trouble with in the past. The problem was either greed or envy. They routinely saw me as either a cash cow or a threat. They loved the fact that I could consistantly turn 60 to 80 bill-able labour hours in any given 40 hour week. This allowed them to afford the house in the mountains and, the house down the shore and, the house in florida, each equipped with all the toys,[jet skis, boats, snowmobiles, atv's]. But, God forebid I should ask to be paid over time if I put in 48 hours that week. And, should they mis-diagnos a problem with a vehicle and then I diagnos it correctly, the next week would be hell for me. Wounded egos. I have no further tolerance for this behavior. I find that I react very poorly to people who wield thier authority improperly. As far as doing my job with a good attitude is concerned, I always have. I have never thrown in my employer's face the fact that I new more than them. But, rather was just happy to know I did my job well. I have NEVER carried myself as though I were better than anyone else, and at this point in my life I'm getting tired of placeing myself under the authority of people who demonstrate an overseer mentality. The saddest part about this, is that for all thier intelligence, life experience and, experience in the industry, they are either incapible of recognizing how poorly they treat the poeple under them or they feel the weekly pay check gives them the right. They don't think thier doing any thing wrong. I am through working for other poeple. I will never again allow another man to systematicly dismantle my dignity and attempt to dictate to me what the difinition of my own personal integrity should be. As far as my goals are concerned, I think that's clear. I intend to work for myself. I've already taught myself a great deal. Even going so far as to teach myself to build wheels. And, at 270#, the fact that I've built several sets of wheels, [both road and atb], and I've put well over 1000 miles on each set with out popping any spokes, all without the benefit of a spoke tensioner,demonstrates that I don't lack talent or ability or comprehension. What I lack is product spicific knowledge and some formal theory. I wish to ascend to the next level and taking a subsevient position in another mans buisness will not achieve this. I apologize for giving you the impression that I felt 'dissed'. I did not. Actualy ,I'm very greatful for your input. It has helped me zero in on a difinitive direction. Grace&Peace. Cyclesick

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Old 02-20-07, 10:21 AM   #8
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dahoss2002, I'm very sorry to hear of the hand that fate has dealt you. I know first hand the task of starting over which lies ahead of you. No point in sugar coating it. It is a daunting and exhausting road. However, it is not impossible. I offer you this advice; be sure to clearly identify the light at the end of what ever tunnels you travels. Some have proven to be oncoming trains. Grace&Peace. Cyclesick
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Old 02-20-07, 10:29 AM   #9
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geo8rge, thanks for the tip. I re-posted on the mechanical board and have gotten several responses already. Also the link to bilenky looks very interesting but for other reasons. And the point you made about older bikes still being on road is a good one. A tweak in perspective. Very helpful. Grace&Peace. Cyclesick
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Old 02-20-07, 10:43 AM   #10
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dahoss2002, I'm very sorry to hear of the hand that fate has dealt you. I know first hand the task of starting over which lies ahead of you. No point in sugar coating it. It is a daunting and exhausting road. However, it is not impossible. I offer you this advice; be sure to clearly identify the light at the end of what ever tunnels you travels. Some have proven to be oncoming trains. Grace&Peace. Cyclesick
My situation aint bad at all. JUst like to complain a little. I see where you're goin with your schooling now and wish u the very BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-22-07, 08:34 AM   #12
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Well guys, these are not the type of responces I was hoping for but, I'd rather not have the issue sugar coated. I still plan on persuing my goal but , it will probably be in another direction. Thanks for all the honest input. Grace&Peace. Cyclesick.
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