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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 02-23-07, 01:07 PM   #1
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What Wheelset do you use/suggest?

I just bought a used Calfee Tetra Pro with all Shimano Dura-Ace 7700.

I currently am about 270 pounds and am in training with TNT for the Lake Tahoe Century in June. Craig Calfee wants to stiffen the bike because of my size - I'll be taking the frame to him this afternoon, and others have expressed concern that the wheelset - also the Dura-Ace 7700 - may not be able to handle my weight. They are suggesting I trade them out and sell them on eBay.

This may very well be fine advice, I'm not sure. Assuming it is, though, what would you all suggest as a substitute?

Price is a concern though.

For a picture of the bike with its current wheels, see mesage #7 below.

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Old 02-23-07, 03:24 PM   #2
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The Dura Ace 7700 is the hub, right? How many holes for the spokes in this hub? looks like they usually come in 24, 28, 32, 36 spoke option. Sounds like the people are concerned that your spoke count may not be high enough. I'd probably sell them on Ebay or Craigslist. I've had good luck with Craigslist.

As a substitute, I'd go for the Mavic Open Pro with Ultegra hubs. Performancebike.com has the wheel set for $199. Make sure you get the 36 hole hubs. I think this is a great buy for some pretty bombproof road wheels for big guys. Or, you could keep the lightweight Dura Ace wheels and put them back on your bike once you have become fast and fit and worked yourself out of the clydesdale category.
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Old 02-23-07, 04:37 PM   #3
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I'm 230 and tried the Mavic OP thing, save your money, Deep V in the rear. 11,000 miles on the Lemond, still perfect. Maybe 10,00 on the Cannondale,still perfect. Just had them put on the tandem.

I'd go cxp33 on the front, Velocity Deep V in the rear. 32 spoke /3 cross.

Fancy lowspoke litewight wheels aren't going to make the rider. Seen too many good riders on cheapazz wheels (Supergo Korso) and too many crappy riders on $1300 wheelsets. Durability and stifness for us big guys translates into responsiveness. Tried the low spoke in front. Too much flex while standing in the mountains.
BTW, the rear Deep V on the Cannondale, I paid $25 for the rim on a clearance table. $100 for the Dura Ace rear 9 speed hub at Supergo, $20 for spokes and built it myself. $145 and is much better and stronger than those $600 rear only wheels.




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You will be fine with Mavic Open Pro's, 36 hole preferred at your weight.. I think the Deep V and CXP33 are solid choices also.. The Deep V/cxp33 will give more lateral stiffness and you could easily use 32 hole..
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I put almost 3,000 mostly NYC miles on my Mavic OP 36 holes on Ultegra hubs and they are still laser straight.

The first half of those miles I was over 350# the second half not under by too much.
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Mavic Ksyrium Elites & Mike Garcia Niobium speedicity (sic?) 30's

Both relatively cost conscious, rock solid and sweeeeet.
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So, who's got links to these fine wheels

I'm still a bit of a newbie in buying bike parts. Does anyone have links to these above mentioned wheeels from reputable dealers?

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Here is what it looks like now:


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Ummm.. Brian, Performancebike.com seems to advertise on every page of the forum.. including this one. See above.
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Fair enough

Fair enough, but I was under the impression that was only one option provided. Do they also sell the Velocity Deep V's and the cxp33's?

I have also heard good things about the Neuvation M28 wheels.
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Fair enough, but I was under the impression that was only one option provided. Do they also sell the Velocity Deep V's and the cxp33's?

I have also heard good things about the Neuvation M28 wheels.
There was a topic just a day or two ago on "Velocity Deep V's". I thought it was in ther Roadcycling forum, but can't seem to find it. I'll look closer wheen I'm not at work for the link.

Thee was a couple of online sites for $55 a rim.
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AHHHHHH! Here it is!


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Ummm.. Brian, Performancebike.com seems to advertise on every page of the forum.. including this one. See above.
more knowledgable people than I have recommended against getting wheels from Performance or Nashbar as they are machine built. (Not hand built.)

If you buy from one of those vendors (or anyone who doesn't say their wheels are handbuilt) it is advisable to then have your wheels detentioned and retentioned by an LBS you trust. (I believe this is about $20 if you are doing price comparison.)

I got my Mavic OPs on Ultegra hubs from Excel. They were billed as hand built.
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As a substitute, I'd go for the Mavic Open Pro with Ultegra hubs. Performancebike.com has the wheel set for $199.
If you have a Performance shop in your area, you might want to check for those wheels there. I went to one nearby with plans to buy those wheels at $199.99. They had them on sale at the shop for $168.98. They've been fine for me, but I only weigh 190lbs.

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I'm still a bit of a newbie in buying bike parts. Does anyone have links to these above mentioned wheeels from reputable dealers?

Thanks,

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Have you ridden the bike with those wheels? Why not try them and see if they hold up and then if you start to have problems start looking for a more durable set.
I have the Dura Ace 7700 hubs in 36hole laced to DT Swiss RR 1.1 rims and DT Swiss butted spokes. I weighed in yesterday at #249. These are real durable.
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I've been riding 28 spoke Deep V's for about 3 months now--got them from Spin Lite Cycling (http://www.spinlitecycling.com/) and they're holding up to my 250# just fine--still as straight and true as the day I got them. I'm running Michelin Carbon 23's at 120 psi, btw. The Velocity hubs are very nice also. Lyle at SpinLite seems like a really nice guy and knows his stuff.
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Go for the conventional 32 or 36H 3X lacing with14/15 gauge ss spokes. They will give you a much more comfortable ride and last far longer. Boutique low spoke count wheel sets are designed for the racing set who are typically in the 130 to 160 lb catagory. Excelsports in Boulder, Co have a great wheel building team. www.excelsports.com
Performance has had a sale on a wheel set for $125 for 32H 3x 105 hubs...a truly good deal for decent wheels.
As for trying these wheels until you have a problem don't go too far from home. The first time you break a spoke or worse a wheel you will be walking home with your bike on your shoulder that is if you don't crash on a descent. I have no idea why dealers insist on selling these wheels to larger riders.
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I've been riding 28 spoke Deep V's for about 3 months now--got them from Spin Lite Cycling (http://www.spinlitecycling.com/) and they're holding up to my 250# just fine--still as straight and true as the day I got them. I'm running Michelin Carbon 23's at 120 psi, btw. The Velocity hubs are very nice also. Lyle at SpinLite seems like a really nice guy and knows his stuff.
28 spoke? I used 28 spoke Velocity Deep V's on my roadies before. Had many problems with them including Mavic CXP 30's which are pretty much the same profile as the V. Only 1 out of 4, 28 spoke rear wheels was a good wheel. So happens the only good one was a machine built wheel, go figure!

I had several problems with 28 spoke wheels. Couldn't figure it out, none lasted over 1 year (5,000 miles). I did some reading on wheel building sites. Sheldon B's site (I think it was) was against using 28 spoke rims as it put stress on the spoke at them nipples because of the angle the= spoke approaches ther rim. Turns out same point where my wheels kept failing.

I converted to 32's and haven't had a problem since. I only used 28's cause that was what the LBS sold. Now I know better, 32 aint much heavier than a 28, so why not go for durability rahter than weight savings and...speed? My Deep V 32's have about 11,000

I'm suprised this builder would sell you 28's as a 250 pounder. Why not just go 32, not much of a difference in ratio compared to your bodyweight. I'd be worried about the spoke angle. 28 in the front shopuld be fine, but with the torque you will apply to the rear,Hmmm!

I'd be interseted to know how your wheels are after 4 or 5,000 miles.
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I second the 36h rims. Have them built with 14/15 double butted spokes, in a traditional 3x pattern, and use brass (not alloy) nipples. If you can spend a bit more, the Open CD Ceramic rims have a braking surface that is significantly harder than those on conventional aluminum rims and they are more durable. They also dramatically increase stopping power. If you use ceramic rims, you will have to use suitable brake pads. I prefer the Kool-Stop green bads, that cost around $7/pair.
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I've had great luck with Colorado Cyclist wheels, that are hand built.
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28 spoke? I used 28 spoke Velocity Deep V's on my roadies before. Had many problems with them including Mavic CXP 30's which are pretty much the same profile as the V. Only 1 out of 4, 28 spoke rear wheels was a good wheel. So happens the only good one was a machine built wheel, go figure!



I'm suprised this builder would sell you 28's as a 250 pounder. Why not just go 32, not much of a difference in ratio compared to your bodyweight. I'd be worried about the spoke angle. 28 in the front shopuld be fine, but with the torque you will apply to the rear,Hmmm!

I'd be interseted to know how your wheels are after 4 or 5,000 miles.
Well, I'm just about to hit 1K on my Deep V's--like a good BF member I will run straight to my computer at the first sign of trouble . Guess that's why they say YMMV... I originally ordered 32s, but at the time Velocity was backordered and I didn't want to wait, as the 24 spoke radial/3 cross rear that came with my bike was breaking 1 or 2 spokes a week on the non-drive side. I will be a bit more vigilant in checking hub and rim wear--I really prefer finding problems in the garage instead of on the road.
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Neuvation M 28 Aero

Well folks, I made a choice. I ordered a set of Neuvation M 28 Aero's (http://www.neuvationcycling.com) on closeout sale for $229.00.

I had heard good things and a friend I trust suggest them. After corresponding with the owner, John Neugent, I was convinced by the information about their tester, Big Mark, found here - http://neuvationcycling.com/teams/teams.html - scroll down.

The M 28 Aero are on close out as they have been replaced by the M 28 Aero 2.
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Well folks, I made a choice. I ordered a set of Neuvation M 28 Aero's (http://www.neuvationcycling.com) on closeout sale for $229.00.

I had heard good things and a friend I trust suggest them. After corresponding with the owner, John Neugent, I was convinced by the information about their tester, Big Mark, found here - http://neuvationcycling.com/teams/teams.html - scroll down.

The M 28 Aero are on close out as they have been replaced by the M 28 Aero 2.
Wow - honestly at first I was wondering why you didn't take some of the previous advice from this thread, but after reading "Big Mark's" bio I think I just found my next wheelset! As I mentioned in a different post, I've had good luck thus far in the Bontrager's that came on my LeMond, but I think it may just be a matter of time before they blow up.
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Get the wheels looked at when you get them -- I bought a set of the R28 SL2s and had to get the rear wheel (re)tensioned and some minor truing on the front after ~500mi. They've settled in now and I expect to put a lot of miles on them this year....

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