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Old 03-18-07, 08:30 AM   #1
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I need some opinions on this graphic from fellow Clydes!

This is for the Tour de Cure shirts for my TdC team and later use touring, etc!

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I like it..isn't there a screen saver that looks like that?
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In my humble opinion, somewhat "busy" for a logo. Logos normally have to "scale" from small to large depending on where they're used. If yours is reduced much, the extra detail will be lost and the logo will look "dirty." Consider throwing out extraneous elements and simplifying shapes where possible. At the size and colors you've displayed on the screen, it looks fine, though.
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Old 03-18-07, 11:55 AM   #4
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In my humble opinion, somewhat "busy" for a logo. Logos normally have to "scale" from small to large depending on where they're used. If yours is reduced much, the extra detail will be lost and the logo will look "dirty." Consider throwing out extraneous elements and simplifying shapes where possible. At the size and colors you've displayed on the screen, it looks fine, though.
Yeah, it's going to be a panel logo, at full size and not reduced to a pocket logo or the like. More of a jersey pattern and if I can afford it, full sublimation process rather than Silk Screening it.
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Isn't that a biohazard symbol?
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Old 03-19-07, 10:51 AM   #6
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Isn't that a biohazard symbol?
Yeppers! It is and it's an inside joke between me and the wife why she won't ride behind me........side effects of bariatric surgery!
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Now that is funny - in my gutter like mind anyway - that never left the back of the school bus humour mode.

Are you going to get bikejerseys to print them graphic for $105 per top ?
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Now that is funny - in my gutter like mind anyway - that never left the back of the school bus humour mode.

Are you going to get bikejerseys to print them graphic for $105 per top ?
That's one option I'm looking at, but I'm hoping to find a cheaper option as well as looking at T-Shirts.

Ideally, I'd like to do a full sublimation jersey design, but that's extremely pricey!
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This was my first impression also.....
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This was my first impression also.....
See post 6!
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i hope you don't mind me asking(i'll probably get a bunch of s*** for this) What is the Tour de Cure trying to cure
Diabetes.

It's an official event for the American Diabetes Association. Click the link in my sig line for Tour de Cure and see my personal Page. or here: http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=...373&px=3127592
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This is for the Tour de Cure shirts for my TdC team and later use touring, etc!


Hi Tom, I don't know what sort of time frame you're needing to work in with regards to jersey production/screening/etc. but I've been an Art Director/Design Director for over ten years now for various agencies and publishing companies, etc. I can give you a hand with this if you'd like...
Some thoughts if you were one of my designers bringing this to me...and PLEASE take no offense to any of this, this just happens to be what I do and you asked...here we go;
First off, is that the bio-hazard logo, yep! Okay I understand it's an inside joke and that's cool but I might suggest picking or developing another iconic treatment if you're hoping to sell to people outside "the know" of the joke - it's not bad, i get it but many wouldn't understand or be able to put together a visual connection. The font you chose looks like a font called "Papyrus", it's a beautiful font but not the most visually stimulating or complimentary font choice when the biohazard icon is sharring space in the design...In good design you think of how a font compliments the whole rather than a personal like or dislike of a font. Like if you had a picture of a samuri swinging a sword, one shouldn't use an old-west looking cowboy font saying "SAMURI" underneath, well you're in that similar boat with a recognized hazardous waste icon in the same space with a font best used for biblical periodicals.
It seems that you're just going with the computer programs kerning default (the space between leters) and in most cases the default is pretty standard and looks okay until you get into something like the letter "T" - the space between the T and the next letter has some of your words looking askew, for example "Tom" and "Tour" look a bit like the read, "T om" and "T our" - I understand we're not all professionally trained typographers but I just want you to have the best looking product.
The background I can't comment too much on because honestly, I'm not sure what it is, it reminds me of the way a window looks on a biterly cold morning and ice crystals have formed in the corner of the glass and lastly the color choices could all compliment one another a bit better.

Now it's one thing to be an armchair shirt designer but a couple closing thoughts, I'd be ABSOLUTELY more than happy to get this together for you really tight and professional and can recreate your idea but in ways that better visually communicate your name and messege. And/or I think you should consider a play off your name, you have this really cool name STORMCROWE that alone conjurs up all sorts of imagery...say some neat retro looking black bird (Heckyl and Jeckyl-esque) riding a mountain bike past a corn field, storm brewing in the background and in the middleground is a scarecrow in the field but the clothes hanging off the scarecrow would be your old fat pants and shirt from the pic I've seen (like your normal scarecrow look but he's draped in like 8xl apparel), it's your little visual play/tribute to your success in getting your life back through incredible weight loss....that was just a quick idea.

But again Tom, I'd be happy to help you make anything happen and it would cost you no more than a thank you and jersey in the end...obviouly that's fairly substantial if you're talking about $105 jerseys...hahahhahaha ouch!

Hope this was of some help.

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Hi Tom, I don't know what sort of time frame you're needing to work in with regards to jersey production/screening/etc. but I've been an Art Director/Design Director for over ten years now for various agencies and publishing companies, etc. I can give you a hand with this if you'd like...
Some thoughts if you were one of my designers bringing this to me...and PLEASE take no offense to any of this, this just happens to be what I do and you asked...here we go;
First off, is that the bio-hazard logo, yep! Okay I understand it's an inside joke and that's cool but I might suggest picking or developing another iconic treatment if you're hoping to sell to people outside "the know" of the joke - it's not bad, i get it but many wouldn't understand or be able to put together a visual connection. The font you chose looks like a font called "Papyrus", it's a beautiful font but not the most visually stimulating or complimentary font choice when the biohazard icon is sharring space in the design...In good design you think of how a font compliments the whole rather than a personal like or dislike of a font. Like if you had a picture of a samuri swinging a sword, one shouldn't use an old-west looking cowboy font saying "SAMURI" underneath, well you're in that similar boat with a recognized hazardous waste icon in the same space with a font best used for biblical periodicals.
It seems that you're just going with the computer programs kerning default (the space between leters) and in most cases the default is pretty standard and looks okay until you get into something like the letter "T" - the space between the T and the next letter has some of your words looking askew, for example "Tom" and "Tour" look a bit like the read, "T om" and "T our" - I understand we're not all professionally trained typographers but I just want you to have the best looking product.
The background I can't comment too much on because honestly, I'm not sure what it is, it reminds me of the way a window looks on a biterly cold morning and ice crystals have formed in the corner of the glass and lastly the color choices could all compliment one another a bit better.

Now it's one thing to be an armchair shirt designer but a couple closing thoughts, I'd be ABSOLUTELY more than happy to get this together for you really tight and professional and can recreate your idea but in ways that better visually communicate your name and messege. And/or I think you should consider a play off your name, you have this really cool name STORMCROWE that alone conjurs up all sorts of imagery...say some neat retro looking black bird (Heckyl and Jeckyl-esque) riding a mountain bike past a corn field, storm brewing in the background and in the middleground is a scarecrow in the field but the clothes hanging off the scarecrow would be your old fat pants and shirt from the pic I've seen (like your normal scarecrow look but he's draped in like 8xl apparel), it's your little visual play/tribute to your success in getting your life back through incredible weight loss....that was just a quick idea.

But again Tom, I'd be happy to help you make anything happen and it would cost you no more than a thank you and jersey in the end...obviouly that's fairly substantial if you're talking about $105 jerseys...hahahhahaha ouch!

Hope this was of some help.

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Let me think about what you said.....

I do see your point, though, especially on the text and font and I definitely like the imagery you described!

I don't know if it'll wind up a jersey or a t-shirt, budget issues, ya know!
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Let me think about what you said.....

I do see your point, though, especially on the text and font and I definitely like the imagery you described!

I don't know if it'll wind up a jersey or a t-shirt, budget issues, ya know!
Just drop me a private messege if you could use any help.
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What formats do you prefer to work with?
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Well I'm Mac based at home/work, I typically use these programs: Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign, sometimes QuarkXpress. But if I was to put anything together for you, I'd work up comps and proofs into jpegs or whatever you needed to see and if you wanted something final I'd package all the links and mail you a cd or we could work just fine through hi-res PDFs.
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Well I'm Mac based at home/work, I typically use these programs: Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign, sometimes QuarkXpress. But if I was to put anything together for you, I'd work up comps and proofs into jpegs or whatever you needed to see and if you wanted something final I'd package all the links and mail you a cd or we could work just fine through hi-res PDFs.
I'd be more than likely building whatever in Illustrator...it gives you the best control over your fonts.
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I'd be more than likely building whatever in Illustrator...it gives you the best control over your fonts.
OK, reason I ask is I primarily use GIMP (I'm cheap.....I'm a College Student!)
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You could float a bio-hazard logo under there and you're set...I dunno, just messing around in the office.
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Wow! Very cool!
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just a quick whipped out nothin' but i thought it looked kinda bikerly sporty...think the graphic styling of OLN's TDF coverage last year. use of directional lines to suggest movement and speed, etc. And since you're a college student the font and balance is that collegiate(sp?...gimme a break i went to art school) look. blah blah blah art talk art talk.
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All due respect Tom, I thought yours was pretty cool, but it's great when a professional gets involved.

I've built a few websites in my time, and I spend weeks doing an OK job of the design. A friend of mine spends 30 minutes with the right tools and some skill and produces designs that kill me. They look cleaner, better coloured, better fonts, clearer, just more professional. He of course feels the same way about designers he works with.

I don't mean to suggest you're anything like me, it's just great to see what the professionals can do.
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Thanks man! and definitely Tom, I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT mean to step on toes or anything. Quite frankly, the whole deal isn't a drop of my business - just wanted to help out a cyber-buddy and that's that.
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