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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 03-25-07, 10:31 PM   #1
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There is something seriously wrong with the height/weight tables.

A police officer I know once took a picture of me and ran it through a forensic program to see what I would look like at my "ideal" weight.

The picture looked as though I had come out of a concentration camp.

According to the tables, I have read, Russell Crowe, Antonio Banderas, Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, and Arnold Schwartzenegger are all 'obese.' WTF???!!!

I will admit that I am a little well-upholstered, but really. . . .
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Old 03-25-07, 10:53 PM   #2
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BMI Tables, right?

As I always like to say, "BMI is BS!"

It doesn't take muscle mass and body fat into account. You can stand at those celebrities' heights and weigh exactly the same as them, but if you have like 40% bodyfat, you're going to look like a Lazy Lardo instead of a chiseled Adonis.
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Old 03-25-07, 10:56 PM   #3
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Weight/height tables were designed to allow Life Insurance Companies to charge a higher premium.....no other purpose!
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Old 03-25-07, 11:01 PM   #4
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It figures. To get to my "ideal" body weight (according to BMI) I would have to have 0% body fat and also lose some muscle weight on top of it!
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Old 03-26-07, 02:07 AM   #5
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I remember when I was 7 years old I weighed 77 lbs. and was considered obese. The chart only used age. I was at LEAST a head taller than all the other kids.
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My idea weight according to the BMI is 150. I will never be 150. Even when I was in the service and worked out everyday in flight school, the lowest I ever got was 175 and I felt weak. I alway felt much better around 200, which is what I am shooting for. The hell with the BMI charts
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Back in my HighSchool and College days, I weighed 245lbs at my current height of 6'1". I played alot of sports, Maerican Footbal, Ice Hockey, Hurling... basicall anything that allowed me to get hurt or hurt others.
Not to brag, but I had the body of David. I was rather muscular and had defined abdominal muscles. This was before I started working in an office and my muscle "turned to fat (tm)" and I packed on even more fat. By all those standars I see online I was considered obese... bleh.
I am now 300lbs and mostly flab... now I am obese!
BMI charts can kiss my butt.
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Anything that wants to scale you down to a size zero has got to be based on a lost plan from WW2, load of pish.

I use BMI with a -5 factor that seems reasonable.

I also prefer the metric that says to be healthy your waist should be equal or less than 50% of your height.
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I will admit that I am a little well-upholstered, but really. . . .
Me too. That's a funny way to describe yourself. According to the BMI, I should be 150 but I have wide shoulders. I'd be thrilled to weigh 190.
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Old 03-26-07, 09:16 AM   #10
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I also prefer the metric that says to be healthy your waist should be equal or less than 50% of your height.
Hmm, that would be 33" or smaller for me. Working on it
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When I was in the USMC I weighed 255 (I am 6' 7"). According to the BMI that is obese. Sure it is. The system does not take into account the bodies of athletes in most "American" sports and certainly not body builders. For my height anything over 221 is considered "overweight". A little absurd IMO.
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I did say prefer, according to BMI I would have to removed one or 2 legs, if it was 2 legs I would still be too obese for my height
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BMI CHARTS BITE!!!!

Yeppers designed by some Know it all PHD MD ??? on some insurance company payroll to get higher premiums for sure.

the dang charts were adopted by many institutions as Gospel. The military used them all through the 80s.

Funny I went into the Navy (1979) no problem, went through basic training , tech school , aircrew school passed PT every time... Then One day over night a few years later I was a fat boy (Very obese by the new standards, BMI charts!!) same size as I went in at.

I was then treated as a criminal. I was constantly harassed about my not meeting CURRENT HEIGHT WEIGHT Regs, appearence grades on evals were automaticaly marked below average regardless,

Weight related comments on performace evails were mandatory. I had to go to weekly weigh ins seperate door in the med building (so everyone knew your a fat criminal) it was pretty bad.

this is a statment from one of my evails


"Petty officer ( ... ) is a hard working and very skilled / talented Air crewman and technician , petty officer (... ) designed an analog fuel flow indicating system for the engine test cell facility that greatly enhances the airwings trouble shooting and ready for installation (RFI) status. petty officer ( ... ) teaches pre school swim lessons at the base pool and is active as a volunteer diver with local sheriff depts.

Although petty officer ( ... ) has lost in upwards of 30 LB and passed PT and Faso swim quals He does not meet current height/weight regulations Thus is not reccomended for the Upcomming promotion cycle. Petty officer ( ... ) should also be grounded from Flight duties untill full Height weight compliance is met.



Now You know the rest of the story!!


BMI BITES!!

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I joined the "heavy" infantry and could run the same time speed distance, carrying a GPMG or 84, I was always poor at running.....
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I seriously think one thing missed besides fat/muscle %ages is bone mass. Not everyone has the same bone density, and BMI tables are probably based on a median of this range if not possibly some pathetically low mean that results from near osteoporotic individuals being included. I've had half a dozen incidents in which I SHOULD have broken bones (or skull) and didn't thanks to my tougher than average skeleton. at the same time the BMI charts will have me looking anorexic if I even get as low as 200lbs let alone my recommended 180 for being 6' tall. and don't get me started on what the army recruitment officer said when he took my measurements...
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It figures. To get to my "ideal" body weight (according to BMI) I would have to have 0% body fat and also lose some muscle weight on top of it!
This is all well and good until you go to get life insurance: my insurance company won't give me the lowest rate regardless of health!

In the Army if you were overweight by the height and weight tables but do not appear overweight, you are put through a regimen of measurements to calculate a body fat percentage. You are then given a waiver based on the calculated values. For example, If you are 28 and 6'2, and weigh over 211 lbs, you'll get measured up.

Allowable body fat % goes up by 2% at age 28 and again at 40. But Rangers, Paratroopers and Special Forces Soldiers must meet the 21 yo standards regardless of age.
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I don't think that height/weight ratios ought to be used to measure relative health. I think body fat % would be better to use. If you're 245 lbs. and have 7% body fat (and thick muscles), you're definitely healthier than a guy 245 lbs. with 30% body fat, don't you think?
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This is all well and good until you go to get life insurance: my insurance company won't give me the lowest rate regardless of health!

In the Army if you were overweight by the height and weight tables but do not appear overweight, you are put through a regimen of measurements to calculate a body fat percentage. You are then given a waiver based on the calculated values. For example, If you are 28 and 6'2, and weigh over 211 lbs, you'll get measured up.

Allowable body fat % goes up by 2% at age 28 and again at 40. But Rangers, Paratroopers and Special Forces Soldiers must meet the 21 yo standards regardless of age.
That insurance thing doesn't surprise me, because most insurance companies out there generally try to cheat their customers as much as they can get away with.

As for the Army measurements, that would make sense. Definitely for the special ops people, because I don't think I'd be comfortable with an elite commando squad filled with fatties

But take these comments as coming from a young'un outsider, with a grain of salt.
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My sister in law'smbusiness is fitness and she loves BMI. Problem is, she's never had to work at it! She inherited her mothers slight frame and her fathers natural thiness so she can meet BMI with a basic workout regimen.

I hate BMI. Sure I'm fat, and I don't need a stupid chart to see it, but like everybody else says, if I lost down to my "Ideal wieght", I'd look like a famine victim. I have the bone issue, I'm very heavy framed, so even If I get down to 0% body fat I'm still going to have a lot of bone weight. I think the "Ideal weight" should be a weight at which you can maintian good health and are satisfied with your looks.
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BMI charts don't take muscle mass into account. One good thing about being fat is under the fat, you have built very strong muscles lugging all that fat around, so when you lose weight, you reveal this very strong body.
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I think the "Ideal weight" should be a weight at which you can maintian good health and are satisfied with your looks.
I think that "ideal weight" should be about that too. Good level of health & fitness + satisfaction with what you see in the mirror when you look at it in the nude
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I've got my own story about BMI. My endocrinologist recommended me to a surgeon in Charleston, SC for a gastric bypass surgery. My BMI is high, way too high supposedly. The surgeon used this special scale to measure my fat content with a low power electric current. I do NOT have near enough fat content for a gastric bypass and the surgeon recommended a workout regimen to lose the flab around my mid section.

As said before, BMI is only used to raise insurance rates.
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BMI charts don't take muscle mass into account. One good thing about being fat is under the fat, you have built very strong muscles lugging all that fat around, so when you lose weight, you reveal this very strong body.
yes, i can't wait
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mine is 19.1

im scrawny as hell
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Where can I find this table.. I am curious..
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