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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian
    Well, I did throw a fit, especially after it happened the second time. I met up with the group about 15 minutes after I was dropped, as I was searching for someone to give me directions back to the ride start. After I was persuaded by one of the riders to resume the ride, I was told to "go practice skills" while the group ran loops through the park. I drove 75 minutes into town to ride circles in a parking lot? My second display of temper ended the ride; the other beginners asked to leave.

    To her and the club's credit, BCP's president assures me that the 'instructor' will not be leading any future beginner's rides. I in turn assured her I will not ride again with BCP.

    It's flattering that bicyclists assume a beginner has all the skills they do. But when I tell people I can't maintain 11 MPH, I mean it. I also find it frustrating that the only friendships I can form through cycling are electronic correspondence.
    A lot has changed in three months!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oddiseeus
    Just remember. As far as clipless pedals go, you won't fall while using clipless pedals until you are in an area where at least ten people can watch you go down.
    I got my first-clipless-ride-fall out of the way with only one witness. My boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian
    A lot has changed in three months!
    I was thinking the same thing as I read this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian
    A lot has changed in three months!
    That is great news! I hope everything continues to go well!
    Go raibh an chóir ghaoithe i gcónaí liom!

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    Keep my tootsies toasty warm
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeMetal
    I was thinking the same thing as I read this too.
    Again, it's amazing what hard work and three months can do for a man! And a lot of good advice from Bike Forums as well.

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    Just to bring closure to this thread, and for me, it's fair to note than Bicycle Club of Philadelphia gave me an award at their annual Banquet a year later for being the club's most improved rider. Despite this rocky beginning, I remain friends with BCP and many of its members.


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    A. I guess everyone struggles with those damn clipless pedals.
    B. I had the idea a month or so ago, and I should really follow up on it, that I'd like to form my own bike riding group if my town's Road Club is too busy being little Lance Armstrongs to give a crap about the beginning rider. If there aren't true beginner, no-drop, no snickering over bike style rides in my area, then I just might have to create one. Biking for the Rest of Us.

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    "Biking for the Rest of Us" ..........YES.... DO IT!

    The many like some company doing most everything... not me. I've been on a few enjoyable group rides back when... more about the genders getting together really. All in all it was a bore... all the <10 mph and chatter... geez Louise. Did get a chance to encourage a few weak/new riders... fixing seat level and all that. Sorta like trolling with a bike it was... in the end.

    Sure it'd be nice to have company ....sometimes. Yet then you have routes to compromise on... schedules to match... speed would have to nearly match. LOTS and lots to be said for being an individual.

    NEVER clipless here. Bikie nonsense... if you have a drop of qualms about it... just don't. Let the herd be just that.
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    the financial reward would be considerable. Today I well realize... gallons and gallons could sit on shelves at .99.. and all it would do.. is gather DUST.

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    Having read the first posts - and now the update - I am really impressed that the Historian stuck with it and that the club has recognised him. I'm sure that this club is a better place with the example of his 'struggle' to learn and be a better athlete and cyclist. Huge effort!

    On the topic of coaching novices...it is damn hard to do and very few people have the skills or patience to do it well. The ride leader in the OP was probably a nice enough person - just a poor coach. Experience helps (ie you get to know what to do once you've seen plenty of things go wrong), but a calm manner and a bit of humor go a long way. I coach professionally (not cycling) and I see things go poorly (as in the original post) all the time with inexperienced coaches. I just spent a week in another country "coaching the coaches" to help improve the strength of their entire program - not just as a once off, but for the long term.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SortaGrey View Post
    "Biking for the Rest of Us" ..........YES.... DO IT!

    The many like some company doing most everything... not me. I've been on a few enjoyable group rides back when... more about the genders getting together really. All in all it was a bore... all the <10 mph and chatter... geez Louise. Did get a chance to encourage a few weak/new riders... fixing seat level and all that. Sorta like trolling with a bike it was... in the end.

    Sure it'd be nice to have company ....sometimes. Yet then you have routes to compromise on... schedules to match... speed would have to nearly match. LOTS and lots to be said for being an individual.

    NEVER clipless here. Bikie nonsense... if you have a drop of qualms about it... just don't. Let the herd be just that.
    Yeah, there's lots to be said for being an individual. But there's also lots to be said for being in a group, building friendships and bases of support. And how many people would like to get more into bicycling, but are scared off thinking they have to be Lance Armstrong with the silly shorts and the crazy shirts and the $4,000 bicycles? There's room in this for everybody, and you shouldn't have to be a hardcore road biking snob just to get together with others for rides and you shouldn't be looked down on because you don't know everything about bicycling right off the bat.

    I get a little crazy on rides by myself, frankly - it's just me and my thoughts, and that by no means is always a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonnyHK View Post
    The ride leader in the OP was probably a nice enough person - just a poor coach.
    No. He's a monumental a-hat the club humors because he's been a member a long time and he's a strong rider. After my story went public I was emailed several horror stories about rides the guy had led where he decided to end it early and didn't let the people he'd dropped know about it.

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    Weeeeeeeeell, it was only a guess.

    A-hats make poor coaches too!

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    I'm with Groucho.

    I would never belong to a club that would have me as a member.
    I owe-therefore I am.

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