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Luke1511 04-08-07 09:08 PM

Clydes and the Clipless Pedal and Shoe...
 
Hey ya'll I haven't seen a post on this in a while. I currently ride shimano SPD's. While they do get the job done there is numbness and some hot spots. The hot spot seems to be centered over the cleat and pedal. It's not debilitating but uncomfortable none the less. I'll loosen up the shoes and most of the numbness will vanish but the hot spot remains. Should I consider different shoes? What about different pedals? I have looked into other pedals and think that the pedals with a larger platform would be more comfortable (distribute my weight more evenly). I have been considering Look, Dura-Ace, and Ultegra. Any experience or opinions out there?

john bono 04-08-07 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Luke1511
Hey ya'll I haven't seen a post on this in a while. I currently ride shimano SPD's. While they do get the job done there is numbness and some hot spots. The hot spot seems to be centered over the cleat and pedal. It's not debilitating but uncomfortable none the less. I'll loosen up the shoes and most of the numbness will vanish but the hot spot remains. Should I consider different shoes? What about different pedals? I have looked into other pedals and think that the pedals with a larger platform would be more comfortable (distribute my weight more evenly). I have been considering Look, Dura-Ace, and Ultegra. Any experience or opinions out there?


+1

I'm running into the same issue. Currently I'm using SPDs with Louis Garneau touring shoes. For short rides(under 20 miles), it isn't an issue, but as the miles pile up, it becomes more and more painful. If I'm doing a hard century, I can barely walk by the end of it.

oopfoo 04-08-07 10:28 PM

I'd have my cleat alignment checked. I'd also check to make sure that the cleat bolts and the shoe's threads haven't slipped and are causing the sole to rise.

Another thing to consider is the stiffness of the sole. If you're heavy enough, there might be some flex in your sole that is creating a hot spot. Try a stiffer sole and see what you think.

Personally, I've always been a Time fan. I rode Time exclusively in the late 80's and still ride their pedals. Their shoes are excellent, perfect for a narrow foot like mine, and unfortunately, extremely expensive. I've recently switched to the Specialized BG stuff. I am riding the 05 BG Pro Carbon right now ($220, MSRP) on Time RXS Carbon pedals. I love the Specialized shoes even more than the Time shoes, right now, though I haven't tried the latest models. Mine have the two straps and the binding ratchet, and seem to really snug-up well on my foot. They're light and comfortable, and I've had no problems yet with them.

Although I know most people cringe at the thought of buying such expensive shoes, I really think you get what you pay for up to a point. Just like an office chair, something you spend so much time in intimate contact with should NOT be purchased with a mind to cutting corners.

My two cents.

Luke1511 04-08-07 11:27 PM

Thanks Mike, I have thought about the BG shoes as well. I agree on the quality vs cost. I'll look into the Time stuff.

lutz 04-09-07 12:17 AM

If you want to keep on riding the spd pedals you should invest in some shoes with rigid stiff soles. With such shoes the tiny pedal is no problem at all. You should have no hot spots.

ronjon10 04-09-07 12:22 AM

I had an old pair of touring shoes that would give me some mild discomfort with SPDs. But I generally figured that being able to walk off the bike was worth it. Last year I switched to Sidi Domimators with the Specialized shoe bed inserts and the hotspotting went completely away.

I'd recommend trying the inserts in your current shoes first as that'll be the cheapest option.

If that doesn't work, look into the SPDs with the wider platforms and shoes with stiffer soles.

Green Jager 04-09-07 07:50 PM

I started with Shimano shoes and SPD's and then went to SHimani SHoes and Speedplays . I had constant problems with Speedplays to be honest and the hots spots were rough to say the least. I then went to SIDI shoes and Look pedals and everything is fine not that I had a couple of cleat adjustments made. I think SIDI is a great shoe but the real secret to me is fit, it does not matter the cost if it does not fit correctly and that is more then just the correct size. Try on some different shoes and see what fits you. I plan on getting a carbon sole SIDI later this year I just love the shoe. And Look pedals to me are solid and simple there is little that can go wrong with them.

vpiuva 04-09-07 07:57 PM

I've ridden SPD-SLs (on cheap Shimano shoes R072) for 3 years now and have had no hot foot issues. All their pedals have pretty much the same platform. I have both Ultegra and the lower level black ones.

krazygluon 04-09-07 08:04 PM

I've had zero problems with my crank brothers spd pedals (own both smarties and eggbeaters) I'd attribute it to taking the time to mess with different cleat positions and intentionally buying the stiffest soled riding shoe I felt I could afford, which are Diadora...I think Toluca's (grey with red accents mountain shoe)

A pressure point sounds more like a shoe problem to me, as if the sole isn't distributing the full resistive force of the pedal stroke into the entire foot. Learn to love stiff soled tight fitting shoes...you'll go far in cycling AND climbing.

obelix67 04-10-07 11:38 AM

I have shimano spd pedals and shoes, and havent cycled far enough yet to know if I get problems

jyossarian 04-10-07 12:10 PM

I have Shimano 545(?) mtb spd pedals so there's a cage surrounding to distribute the weight over a wider area. No hot spots ever. I also have regular SPD pedals w/ no cage and I do get a hotspot after 10-15 miles using the same shoes. I ride w/ mtb spd shoes.

reverborama 04-10-07 01:00 PM

I have $70 Shimano road shoes with SPD's. I have mostly Performance Campus pedals but I also have two different pairs of pedals -- one Shimano platform/SPD, the other Nashbar? single-side SPD with no platform. The only time I've had any discomfort at all was when it was 35 degrees and I had thick wool socks in my shoes booties over my shoes. After about 30 miles it all felt a little... tight. I can't tell any difference in the pedals at all except the Campus pedals are a little easier to clip out of.

Seamus 04-10-07 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by vpiuva
I've ridden SPD-SLs (on cheap Shimano shoes R072) for 3 years now and have had no hot foot issues. All their pedals have pretty much the same platform. I have both Ultegra and the lower level black ones.

Same here. Have tried several different pedals, and the SPD-SL (large platform, not to be confused with SPD) are very comfortable and solid to use. The cleats are also relatively walk-able. I even run Ultegra pedals on my all-Campy bike, and they haven't been rejected yet. ;)

Highly recommend Ultegra pedals for roadgoing clydes. <$100 brand new on ebay or with a performance coupon.

Jim

superdex 04-10-07 03:10 PM

Look.

Terrierman 04-10-07 03:27 PM

Sounds more like shoes to me. But you CAN get full platform two sided SPD's if you want them. I don't have any problems with nike MTB shoes and SPD's. Can't tell you the model of the shoe, but they were pretty pricey, around $150 if I recall. But they really are comfortable so well worth it. They were a lot better fit than some Specialized shoes they had me trying on at the same time. I had to adjust the cleat's all the way forward and angle them a bit heel out to get them totally comfortable for me.

Radfahrer 04-10-07 04:53 PM

I opted for Speedplay Frogs with MTB shoes to allow me to walk halfway normally. I have no issues with fit or hot spots, and the price was right. Plus the relatively generous float appealed to me and my jacked-up knees.

jcbryan 04-10-07 07:35 PM

I'm with Michael, I like the Time RSX. The cleat has a piece at the back to make them almost walkable. I just bought some Sidi road shoes on flEabay for $37 delivered. Look like new.
I had Speedplays the last two years until if figured out they were killin' my knees. (Yes, even with the cleat all the way back!) Look great but don't like me at all.:eek:
Hope this helps! John

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Originally Posted by oopfoo
Personally, I've always been a Time fan. I am riding the 05 BG Pro Carbon right now ($220, MSRP) on Time RXS Carbon pedals.

Although I know most people cringe at the thought of buying such expensive shoes, I really think you get what you pay for up to a point. what's the saying, you remember the quality long after you forget the price? Just like an office chair, something you spend so much time in intimate contact with should NOT be purchased with a mind to cutting corners.

My two cents.


CastIron 04-10-07 07:52 PM

You need good shoes, not new pedals. I have two pair of Sidi 5's: Speedplay road and SPD mountain. I run them (on different bikes) on rides on the same day and can hardly tell the difference most of the time. It's the shoes.

robtown 04-10-07 09:06 PM

For walking and short and/or colder rides my SPDs work fine. After 20 miles I have hot spots and numbness. I find road shoes and LOOK work best and are critical for longer rides.

Stoeger 04-15-07 08:50 PM

I just ordered these http://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...ajor=5&minor=6 tonite. I have knee pain on the outside of my right knee & I can feel I'm putting all the pressure on the outside of my foot so it gets hot, I hope these will help somewhat.

jaxgtr 04-15-07 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke1511
Hey ya'll I haven't seen a post on this in a while. I currently ride shimano SPD's. While they do get the job done there is numbness and some hot spots. The hot spot seems to be centered over the cleat and pedal. It's not debilitating but uncomfortable none the less. I'll loosen up the shoes and most of the numbness will vanish but the hot spot remains. Should I consider different shoes? What about different pedals? I have looked into other pedals and think that the pedals with a larger platform would be more comfortable (distribute my weight more evenly). I have been considering Look, Dura-Ace, and Ultegra. Any experience or opinions out there?

I have been riding SPD for some time and when I ride my hybrid I still do, but I found much needed relief when I moved to road pedals. I have tried both Look pedals and Shimano road pedals and both were much better and it also helped when I went with a different shoe. I have a Sidi Mega (came with bike) and some Pearl Izumi. Both very comfy shoes. The Pearl Izumi shoes I got on ebay for $35.00 brand new. I like the Pearl's as the sole is nice and firm.

I found the Look A3.1 pedals a little harder to disengage out of than the Shimano 105 pedals, but all in all, either one worked good for me. The 105's are the same as the Dura-Ace and Ultegra, just lower price and minor weight penalty, but since I am not racing it was no big deal. I do like the Look cleats better if I have to walk around as they have a cover you can get, but the Shimano almost looked designed to expect some walking.

big john 04-16-07 01:23 PM

It's the shoes that cause discomfort, not the pedals. I can do a 12 hour climbing ride with SPD mountain bike style pedals and my feet are fine with my good shoes. I also have Look pedals and my feet are killing me in a couple hours with my old shoes. BTW, I used the old Time pedals in the early 90s and broke 3 of them and crashed twice. That's when I switched to Looks.

themickeyd 04-16-07 02:34 PM

I have found the stiffness of the shoes has more to do with hot spots than the pedals, in other words the easier it is to walk in the shoes the more problems I end up having. Also I have found that if I drop my candence too much and start mashing the pedals too much that I will get the hot spot.

cheeseflavor 04-16-07 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke1511
Hey ya'll I haven't seen a post on this in a while. I currently ride shimano SPD's. While they do get the job done there is numbness and some hot spots. The hot spot seems to be centered over the cleat and pedal.

First, let me say that I'm not a fan of SPDs. Way too hard to clip in and out of. The easiest to use pedals I've ever used are Speedplay. I've used Speedplay X2, X5 and Zeros and they all have the same ease of clipping into. They also have a nice large platform as part of the cleat that helps a lot with hotspots. They're double-sided and just about impossible to miss when clipping in.

That said, I still think the shoe will make a bigger difference on comfort and eliminating hotspots than the type of cleat would.

Steve


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