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    Hoodia - anyone use?

    I was wondering if anyone here had tried Hoodia in conjunction with cycling for weight loss. I've lost about 25# over the last couple of years but have just gotten stuck at my current weight. Better diet, smaller portions, all that seems to have lost its effect. Wondered if any here knew of any reasons to or not to try this.

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    Would you have lost the weight without the hoodia, or did you add hoodia to a cycling and diet regimen that would have taken the pounds off anyway? Most people I've talked with who have a miracle weight loss secret fall into the latter category: "I walked for half an hour a day, cut back on desserts and beer and took FatBlaster 300, and the pounds just melted away!" But if you put the beer and ice cream back in the diet and keep taking the FatBlaster, the pounds come back. It doesn't take much--if you're just maintaining weight, one small fast-food soda a day will put back a pound every two weeks.

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    I haven't tried (or trusted) any supplements other than my daily multivitamin. If I could remove the beer, cheese and fried chicken from my diet I might just lose a pound.
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    Velo Dog, I have not tried Hoodia yet, nor have I tried any other "miracle" weight loss remedies. Just stuck at this weight and wondered if anyone had tried this. Hoodia is what African bushmen have used forever to eliminate hunger and the need to eat on longer hunting trips, and seems to have no side effects.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vpiuva
    Velo Dog, I have not tried Hoodia yet, nor have I tried any other "miracle" weight loss remedies. Just stuck at this weight and wondered if anyone had tried this. Hoodia is what African bushmen have used forever to eliminate hunger and the need to eat on longer hunting trips, and seems to have no side effects.
    While you need to take what you see on Wikipedia with a grain of salt, look up Hoodia on the site, makes some interesting reading....... The problem with ANY appetite suppressant, is that when you stop taking it, your appetite returns, you eat your head off, and gain the weight back again. Over eating is the hardest habit to break, an alcoholic can avoid all alcohol, and that actually helps. The problem for the foodaholic is that they can not avoid food altogether, so that makes it much much harder. The most effective diets, are not diets at all, it's training, training to eat properly, and then following that training. The problem is, that, it's difficult to do, where as supplements and diet plans are simple, and make a ton of money for the producers and authors.

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    Hoodia is an appetite suppressant, as mentioned by a few others, and has the aforementioned problem that you will gain your appetite back when you quit taking it.
    If you're looking to take a supplement which will increase metabolic rates and burn pounds quickly while still maintaining a healthy appetite (keeping things within the calories in < calories out equation) check out the old standby: ECA stacking.
    The physiological combination of ingredients works to increase metabolic rate and increase threshhold capacity for your workouts so you're burning more calories. The downside is that if you've got any problems with your ticker, it's not the program for you. Ephedrine is bad for anyone with heart issues, so steer clear of it if that's the case.
    Taken within proper limits (25mg ephedrine, 200mg caffeine, 250mg aspirin; no more than 2x daily, no more than 3 weeks at a time, minimum 1 week off before re-start,) an ECA stack is a quick method for dropping pounds without risk of dependency or massive bounce-back weight gain upon stopping.
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    My weight hasn't budged from between 184-190 for four years, whilst I have been cycling 300-450 miles per month, and lifting weights. I've exercised approximately 30-35 hours per month, or about an hour a day. With all that, nothing much had changed year in and year out.

    I started Hoodia on Febuary 23rd, when I weighed 189. I have found it decreases my appetite several clicks. If my appetite is 6 out of 10, it goes down to 3 out of 10. As a result I am eating less, using the Hoodia to dampen my appetite so I can tolerate the caloric deficit. I eat about 2/3 the Muesli I previously had for breakfast. I have a 500 calorie salad for lunch, and dinner with reduced portions. No snacking. I've always tried to do this, but before Hoodia I couldn't fight the appetite.

    I've been dropping about 1.5 lbs per week, so it has worked like this:

    February 23:
    Weight: 189 lbs.
    Body fat: 19%
    Waist: 85.2 cm

    April 13:
    Weight: 178.5
    Body fat: 16%
    Waist: 80.3 cm

    I've shared this with people at work, and they too report appetite suppression and weight loss. A girl at work has also lost 10 lbs.

    Apparently, a lot of Hoodia is fake, which can explain why it often doesn't work. I get mine from Costco, and I think it is real. 500 mgs tablets, I'll take 3-4 per day. 150 tabs cost $33 (but since you eat less, you spend less on food, and it pays for itself!). There are no side effects that I can tell, except that maybe I've imagined my lips tingling.






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    There is another cactus like plant with reputed appetite suppression properties, Caralluma fimbriata. It is used as a herb and garnish in India, so has a long record of safety. It is known in India as a famine food. There have actually been placebo controlled trials with it that demonstrated weight loss. I've ordered some of that as well, and I intersperse it with the Hoodia.



    http://www.netrition.com/now_slimaluma_plus.html

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    I use grapefruit seed oil for the same kind of effect. What I use it for are on days where I can't seem to eat enough food that's unwarranted (not riding or doing anything strenuous but still really hungry). It brings it to a more 'normal' level but don't use it everyday for the reasons mentioned above.

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    forget the hoodia. The wiki article gives a good overview of the problems with ''hoodia'' type products.

    ECA stacks are the best. Since ephedra was railroaded off the scene, here are some alternatives...

    SYNEPHRINE based "ECA" stacks... My personal favorites are the drinks from american bodybuilding. You can find them here: http://www.americanbodybuilding.com/v1/dietandenergy/ The speed stack has the most caffeine and synephrine.

    http://www.americanbodybuilding.com/...speedstack.php

    Next would probably be the Adrenalyn stack:

    http://www.americanbodybuilding.com/...-adrenalyn.php

    The best prices I've found for those supplements are from www.bodyconcept.com

    http://www.bodyconcept.com/family/862/display.html

    You can get them from any supplement/GNC type store to try out.

    Additionally, have you been getting restful sleep? Post up a typical day of eating and training...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorpe
    ECA stacks are the best. Since ephedra was railroaded off the scene, here are some alternatives...
    Depending on the state you live in, ephedra is still available (maybe not in stores, but available for shipment.) Same as with Sudafed and Claritin-D, you have to ask for it from behind the counter and fill out the appropriate forms. Even the online warehouses have ID forms to fill out prior to shipping.
    D&E Pharmaceuticals is a good online supplier, and they offer ephedrine without guaifenesin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1
    Depending on the state you live in, ephedra is still available (maybe not in stores, but available for shipment.) Same as with Sudafed and Claritin-D, you have to ask for it from behind the counter and fill out the appropriate forms. Even the online warehouses have ID forms to fill out prior to shipping.
    D&E Pharmaceuticals is a good online supplier, and they offer ephedrine without guaifenesin.
    YEp, have a 425 tablet bottle of D and E bolt ephedrine on my desk right now I was talking about Ma Huang extract, not the pKa 9.0 Ephedrine you can get... I know somehwere there is a supplement which still has 10mg of ephedra in it.

    Ephedrine + expectorant (guafenisin) = very sick stomach at high doses.

    I had to send 2 forms of ID to D&E when I ordered the ephedrine from them. I got a bunch of 200mg caffeine pills also. This was a year or two ago.

    It's really annoying to have to ask behind the counter for anything with pseudoephedrine in it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jorpe
    I had to send 2 forms of ID to D&E when I ordered the ephedrine from them. I got a bunch of 200mg caffeine pills also. This was a year or two ago.

    It's really annoying to have to ask behind the counter for anything with pseudoephedrine in it.

    Still have to send 2 forms of ID, and your address on your DL must match your shipping address. They're a reputable source, and take legal compliance pretty seriously.

    As for the annoyance of having to ask behind the counter for PE items, it's all to combat the meth problem. I mean, meth's pretty much gone away since they started that rule, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1

    As for the annoyance of having to ask behind the counter for PE items, it's all to combat the meth problem. I mean, meth's pretty much gone away since they started that rule, right?
    Actually in our area meth production fell and the price per hit went up when they banned psuedoephedrine. I still miss my advil cold & sinus though
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    Quote Originally Posted by pityr
    Actually in our area meth production fell and the price per hit went up when they banned psuedoephedrine. I still miss my advil cold & sinus though
    I miss being able to buy ephedrine w/o feeling like a criminal. There's no place in Seattle that stocks it (that I know of) and the restictions on ordering it put me at a just-in-time supply for my standard ECA stack. I don't lift competitively anymore, but I still like to try and trim down for the summer.
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