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    Clyde wannabe looking for a bike

    I've been on a workout program since the beginning of April and in that time I've gone from 288 to 249 and I'm ready to get back on the raod again. A big part of my cardio has been the stationary bikes at my gym, I realize it's like night and day but it does have me wanting to get back out on the road. The last time I did any serious riding was about 17 years ago when I rode around Denmark with my dad but my but I'm tired of riding to nowhere in the gym. I have my old Puegot in my mom's basement but who knows how rust ridden the thing is at this point. I'm going to pick it up soon to check it out, but looking around at the price of new bikes has me discouraged if it isn't salvagable. Anyone have any advice on finding quality used bikes? The only other option in my price range I've seen is those Dawes/Motobecane bikes on ebay. Thanks in advance for any advice.

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    ChunkyD rides the current Dawes and it's a pretty nice bike!

    Your old Pug deserves refurbishing anyway though and I'd encourage you to redo the bike anyway, even if you do get a new bike on a spare time basis.

    Keep that old steel on the road!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe

    Your old Pug deserves refurbishing anyway though and I'd encourage you to redo the bike anyway, even if you do get a new bike on a spare time basis.

    Keep that old steel on the road!
    Yeah, and bring pics with you when you visit the Classic & Vintage forum. We've got some experts over there who are fanatics about their Pugs. They are tough machines, you might be pleasantly surprised how well your old bike rides.

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    Thanks for the quick advice guys, the Pug was a handmedown from the old man, he's 6'2" I'm 6' so if I recall correctly it might have been a tad tall for me but I'll treck up to NH and pick it up out of the basement for giggles and see what happens. Any ballpark ideas as to how much I should expect to pay if nothing but the frame is salvagable? I can probably do some of the basics myself but will need to hit my LBS for the rest.

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    Shop right and you can refurb it for a cpl hundred....

    or less! Likely, all it'll need is at most bearings repacked, tires, tubes and cables and new brake pads.
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    As I said, Pugs are tough. Depending on the age, you may need to replace the wheels (if they are chrome rims), but otherwise, as Tom said, you could possibly only need to replace tyres, tubes, cables. Repack bearings. You may not even need new brake pads unless they have hardened.

    The photos will give us a better idea. Try to remember to face the bike so that we can see the drivetrain (that's the side with the gears and chain).

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    I don't think the rims were/are chrome and if I recall the bike itself is from 82-84? Somewhere in that range anyway. I got it in '90 when dad upgraded to a Miyata.

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    Let us know when you rescue it then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan112
    I've been on a workout program since the beginning of April and in that time I've gone from 288 to 249 and I'm ready to get back on the raod again. A big part of my cardio has been the stationary bikes at my gym, I realize it's like night and day but it does have me wanting to get back out on the road. The last time I did any serious riding was about 17 years ago when I rode around Denmark with my dad but my but I'm tired of riding to nowhere in the gym. I have my old Puegot in my mom's basement but who knows how rust ridden the thing is at this point. I'm going to pick it up soon to check it out, but looking around at the price of new bikes has me discouraged if it isn't salvagable. Anyone have any advice on finding quality used bikes? The only other option in my price range I've seen is those Dawes/Motobecane bikes on ebay. Thanks in advance for any advice.
    Hmm, a nice old bicycle, fortunately it's a lot cheaper to refurbish a bicycle, then it is an old car, you should probably take it to a bike shop for assessment, minimally you will need to replace the tires, tubes, brake pads, rubber parts do not age well. Cables are iffy, I would say replace the cables and housings, it's a safety issue. If the basement is damp, your likely to find a rusty looking belt where the chain should be, actually that is the chain, so swap that out as well, hubs, headset and bottom bracket bearings probably need repacking as well, usually they replace the bearing balls when they repack them, because the bearing balls themselves are cheap.

    Rust on the rims means they are chromed steel, you don't want chromed steel rims, because wet braking action on chromed steel rims is pathetic at best. If the rims are steel, then you want to replace the wheels, it's cheaper to buy a set of decent modern machine built wheels, then to try and replace old rims, consider going with a cassette system instead of a freewheel, parts are easier to find, and your less likely to break an axle.

    However, before you even take it to a shop, you want to clean it, and make sure there is no rust on the frame, if there is, then look for another bicycle.

    There are several sources for used bicycles, pawn shops and used good stores, call your local police department and see if they have a bicycle auction, these are bicycles that are recovered by police and not claimed. There is fleabay, and craigslist for online sources, newspaper classifieds, check your local bicycle clubs, they sometimes know about bicycles for sale. There are also yard and garage sales, sometimes your local bike shop will know of bicycles for sale.

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    I found some FREE bikes on Craiglist. They were worth just that...free. They had been hanging on a rack on a RV outside for many many years and really rusted. I used a whole can of liquid wrench on two bikes before I could get them apart for clean up They cleaned up OK, all the bearings were protected from the old grease. I cleaned,adjusted and re-greased everything, replaced the chains,tubes & tires(got some new un-mounted tires from the bikes prev.owner) and rode both bikes before the weekend was up. I have $14 in the Wifes bike and less than $20 in my Specialized hardrock comp. OK, I need to replace or recover my seat, they are old, the paint is faded and everything that was chrome or shiny isn't anymore but I wasn't planning to enter them in a show anyway...just ride If I could revive a couple of true rust buckets in a weekend and spend very little $$, I'm sure you will have no problem with your PUG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hr2510
    ... I need to replace or recover my seat, they are old, the paint is faded and everything that was chrome or shiny isn't anymore but I wasn't planning to enter them in a show anyway...just ride
    And isn't that the whole and entire point?

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    "...I'm tired of riding to nowhere in the gym."
    I've always thought the concept of having to pay someone else for me to work has seemed a bit strange.
    Same with riding a bike to nowhere. If I'm going to pedal, I want to see some changing scenery.

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    My point exactly.

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    I just spotted a Miyata 310 on Craigslist for $40, the guy has a ton of bikes but this one stood out to me mainly because I know the brand, any thoughts on this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan112
    I just spotted a Miyata 310 on Craigslist for $40, the guy has a ton of bikes but this one stood out to me mainly because I know the brand, any thoughts on this one?
    If it fits, buy it!
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    The Miyata 310 for $30 is a STEAL. I didn't see it in the CL listings, though. Although there is someone selling a 310 for $40 in a mixed bag of bikes.

    The 310 (depending on the year) was a nice bike, selling for around $300 originally in the 1980s. Generally the frame was cro-moly, the forks may be hi-ten steel.

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    Yeah it was the mixed bag of bikes, I'm gonna pass for now as my wife is stressing bigtime about our impending move that is coinciding badly with our vacation...my mother is bring the puegot down next weekend though so hopefully I'll get it set up to ride in time for our trip to the Cape.

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    Too bad, the Miyata 310's a nice bike. But, another one will come up eventually, and a move is VERY stressful, so I can see your point.

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    It's that and I'm just now trying to get back into riding after a 17yr layoff...let's get one bike on the road and not worry about 2 yet.

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    http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x212/spartan97/

    The bike has arrived, such as it is. I've posted it over at c&v in hopes of Id'ing the model and yes I know, get a pic of the head tube.

    There is some surface rust on the frame.

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    Put a new chain on the Pug, looks like new cables, clean it up and touch it up til you can take the time to strip it and repaint and you'll have a nice bike there!

    I'd think about new pads, tires and repacking the bearings as well.
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    Oddly the cable pull pretty well and everything that's supposed to spin does so pretty well though I do plan to take it to my LBS and do the things you've mentioned. I think I'll have to replace the wheels as well as there is some heavier rust around the spots where the spokes enter the wheel and the same with the valve stem.

    Any thoughts on model? Someone on the c/v thought maybe p6/8/10 family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan112
    Oddly the cable pull pretty well and everything that's supposed to spin does so pretty well though I do plan to take it to my LBS and do the things you've mentioned. I think I'll have to replace the wheels as well as there is some heavier rust around the spots where the spokes enter the wheel and the same with the valve stem.

    Any thoughts on model? Someone on the c/v thought maybe p6/8/10 family.
    That would be my thought as well, as far as the family goes and I suspect you may have a P8 there. I'm hardly a Pug expert, but they can be a very nice bike!

    You have a potentially very nice old ride there, though and I hope you turn out to love old Classic and Vintage bikes as much as I do. Try to replace the wheels with maybe some Araya or Weinmann Alloy wheels if you do stay with 27" wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe
    That would be my thought as well, as far as the family goes and I suspect you may have a P8 there. I'm hardly a Pug expert, but they can be a very nice bike!

    You have a potentially very nice old ride there, though and I hope you turn out to love old Classic and Vintage bikes as much as I do. Try to replace the wheels with maybe some Araya or Weinmann Alloy wheels if you do stay with 27" wheels.

    The wheels are currently mismatched but one of them is weinmann, too bad they look beyond help. I'll know more tuesday after a trip to my LBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartan112
    I just spotted a Miyata 310 on Craigslist for $40, the guy has a ton of bikes but this one stood out to me mainly because I know the brand, any thoughts on this one?
    It ought to stand out.Miyatas are outstanding,you should buy it.. I own a few 310s & other Miyatas as well; Fujis, DB's Nishikis, Giants etc.A few Italian rigs.. The point is that Miyatas ARE a cut above,the 310 is no exception. The only downside of the 310 is the seatpost,no quick-release on the wheels make them seem crummy. By and large though, the 310s are quite excellant; the frame, parts and wheels are good.
    The cranks and other components on the 310s were better than average compared to other Japan made bikes. Miyatas are lighter..just better than most (almost any 27' wh. bike o'the day)........TO the OP, I'm compelled to submit my take on Peugeot;considered fine bikes many, by mis-virtue of an extra thin down-tube, they're escpecially miserable is the stiffness/lack of power delivery catagory. The fitments and ease of retro ability due to funky-sized threads and dimensions , render them among the least practical. Hey, you ain't no jockey, get a stiff bike. An e-bay 27" wheel ,even a 700c wheel bike for more will reward you better. I like older hybrids and NON-suspension ATBs, I have them too. The later can suit road-riding fine. Drop-bars, lighter wheels/thinner tires give an old roadbike an advantage for +20 mile trips though. Most
    NEW offerings in road bikes come with overly-light wheels, N/G..some men 100 pounds more than I DO at230 lbs.disagree, OH well, perhaps that's why I haven't wrecked a wheel since '67, nineteen sixtyseven .

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