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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 07-09-07, 01:14 PM   #1
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Workout differences????

Ok..so this is not meant to start a war! so please keep that in mind.The goal is always to seperate myth from truth.

I was on the trail yesterday finishing up a 22 mile ride and i ran into an old friend
i havent seen i a long time.I was in my lyrca and shorts and she made the comment
"wow you've lost alot of weight, is this that you've been doing". I said yes! and expressed my love for
cycling. She then proceeded to say "man! Guys! lose weight so easy!!!" i encouraged her to try cycling and
pointer her to this forum.We talked for a bit longer and she said she would try cycling...and i was off.

All in general! of course there are people with thyroid issues and other medical
conditions..but that effects men and women.

OK! so here's the thing.. i have worked out in groups of men and women.. little workout teams
over the course of me trying to win the battle of the bulge. Well i've heard that statement many times before
and from what i have personally viewed with the people i've worked out with is..

Men and women usually have thier problem fatty tissue areas, men stomach,chest and women hips and thighs.

But That its the level your working out at.. the guys i know tend to hit it hard for
good periods of time and get up the heart rates with aerobics and weightlifting.
The women i know spend lots of time on low impact workouts and aerobics but in the classes they tend to halfway do the movements .
It also seems to me that guys will vary thier workouts more in general, cross training to
lifting to etc.. to me the difference seems obvious...

Things i've noticed.. Duration,intensity,frequency and mentality...

I'm also talking about bigger people, folks trying to lose 60-100+lbs

Thoughts? maybe some people who know more about it from a medical standpoint..

again just asking, based off the comment my friend and many others have made.... please! i hope no one takes it as a sexist question!
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Old 07-09-07, 01:22 PM   #2
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I think it really depends upon the person and what they are attempting to accomplish. My wife and I are basically losing the same amount of weight over the same amount of time. She was doing a large part of it by not eating as many calories and working out less. I was working out harder and eating more. We also both found that drinking a lot more water seemed to help up lose more weight overall. I have lost 55 pounds where she has lost 49 pounds in the same amount of time. She is now working out more with more intensity and for longer periods of time and is losing more weight in a two week period than she was before.

My heart rate is better than hers and my recovery heart rate is much better also, but she has noticed that she has to work out harder on a treadmill than before to get her heart rate to the same as it was 2 months ago.
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Old 07-09-07, 01:24 PM   #3
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I've always heard the myth. In my personal experience with women that I know in my personal life, it's usually lack of discipline. And again this is just my personal experience and not necessarily women in general.
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You did take a bit of a risk with your post. Most of the "eveidence" I might cite for or against your position would be anecdotal and certainly not scientific.

I lose weight more easily than does my wife. I also need to lose more weight than she does. Seems that is always the case and she can take a much more casual approach to diet and exercise.
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Webist - I know, it was a risk but its not meant strike up arguments. Just destory a POSSIBLE myth..

Caincando1 - I would agree partly but thats the problem for all of us big folks for the most part, you have to find your reason/motivation! and then attack!! .. lol

I just think its a trifecta of intensity,variation and fequency..

i'm not touching the disipline,emotional part with a 10ft pole.. lol ..i have 2 sisters and a mother that struggle with thier weight big time and that seems to play a HUGE part in it, each person if different thou.


Thanks for the comments.. just curious..
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A woman's anatomy is made to retain more fat stores than man and to maintain less muscle. I think both can lose weight at the same rate, all things considered, but often weight loss success is comparing apples to oranges.

A man because of his height may carry weight in a more camouflaged way. Women outfits tend to be much more revealing and women compare themselves to much thinner models of perfection then men.

You also have the problem of comparing differing ratios. A woman that should weigh 135 pounds but is at 165 will need to eat fewer calories than a man needing to lose the same 30 pounds but having an ideal weight of 195 pounds. Food portions and caloric density of foods served in the US makes it easier to maintain a 2000 calorie diet than a 1200 calorie diet.

Muscle burns more calories than fat so if a man on average has more muscle mass than a woman his bmr will be higher meaning that he burns more calories than a woman at rest.

It all works together to favor the man in weight loss, but if both male and female budget their calories the weight should theoretically drop about the same for each.
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This is, of course, purely anecdotal..

I started this with a fitness buddy I found on the WMB forum (in the UK - has since moved here). He had a few weeks head start on me, for biking, and I'm just beginning to catch up as far as miles go. That said, he bikes in a relatively flat area, I in a relatively hilly one, and I also walk 5-10 miles a week. We both have over 100 lbs to lose, and he's 3" taller than me. Both of us are watching what I (edit: WE) eat - me by counting calories (aiming for a 500 - 1000 calorie/day deficit), him by eating 3 "healthy" meals a day plus fruit for snacks if he gets hungry. So you'd think we'd have similar results, right?

Wrong. In 6 weeks, he's lost over 22 lbs. I've lost 13. He's consistently been down 2-4 lbs every week. I'll be down 8, then up 4, then down 6, then up 2, then down 1, then up 3, then down 5.. and so on. (Edit: actual numbers are -8, +3, -6, +2, -3, -1) It's entirely possible my calorie deficit isn't as large as I'm aiming for (haven't been to a dr to have my BMR tested), but those ups and downs do play with your motivation, which is probably a big factor in why men seem to lose weight more easily. Thankfully, he's a very supportive partner, and won't let my ups and downs get me down, or let me over-compensate and then give up.

But yes, in general... in my limited experience here, it does seem easier for men.

Yet another edit: Fitness buddy pointed out that I've probably gained more (at least a larger % of) muscle mass than he did, since he probably started with more, as men generally have more muscle mass than women of the same size.

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again just asking, based off the comment my friend and many others have made.... please! i hope no one takes it as a sexist question!
I didn't see any question at all -- just a series of observations based on personal experience, and some generalizing to men and women as a whole that may or may not be supported. Was there a question?
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I've seen a couple of studies on that, but it was several years ago, and women's attitudes and roles in society have changed, so I'm not sure they'd still be valid. Essentially, though, they found that women tend not to work as hard as men. At that time (at least mid-'70s), many hadn't been exposed to athletics and didn't really have a concept of how hard exercise should be. Men had been raised with some knowledge of sports and were more likely to put in the effort, but also more likely to cheat. For instance, a woman would do three pushups correctly and quit, saying she was tired. A man would do 20 cheating, bending at the waist and not going all the way down. Same with diet--women seemed to be more disciplined, while men would cheat.
Meanwhile, I've had a daughter, and she's been on a state championship soccer team, and she worked harder than I ever did in high school sports. So all this might be bogus now.
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None of you guys have been to Weight Watchers then?

They want you to lose 2 lbs a week on average. For a man and a woman, same height and weight, the man gets to eat more because his metabolism is faster. When they announce weight loss at the meetings, men are markedly faster losers than women.

Note also on "The biggest loser"... in general, men drop higher percentages of weight, although a few women are contenders. I've only seen one woman meet the guy's percentages week after week.
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A woman's anatomy is made to retain more fat stores than man and to maintain less muscle. I think both can lose weight at the same rate, all things considered, but often weight loss success is comparing apples to oranges.

A man because of his height may carry weight in a more camouflaged way. Women outfits tend to be much more revealing and women compare themselves to much thinner models of perfection then men.

You also have the problem of comparing differing ratios. A woman that should weigh 135 pounds but is at 165 will need to eat fewer calories than a man needing to lose the same 30 pounds but having an ideal weight of 195 pounds. Food portions and caloric density of foods served in the US makes it easier to maintain a 2000 calorie diet than a 1200 calorie diet.

Muscle burns more calories than fat so if a man on average has more muscle mass than a woman his bmr will be higher meaning that he burns more calories than a woman at rest.

It all works together to favor the man in weight loss, but if both male and female budget their calories the weight should theoretically drop about the same for each.
This post should be made sticky. It's as perfect an explanation as could be desired.
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Jumbo gave a great explanation.. and that makes sense.. more muscle mass more calories burned... of course you can't compare the muscle composition of a person 6'3 vs 5'7 ..wouldnt they be porportionate to what thier body type is?
so a 5'7 athletic male and a 5'7 athletic female ....should'nt it be fairly close?

Velo Dog - i think that study would still hold true for the majority and it fits
more inline with what i've experienced with people i know..

which ultimatly is the point of my post, to be able to have educated viewpoints or personal examples of this topic.

I get asked alot of questions from men and women, mostly friends and family
so any question i ask i usually so i can help them hit thier goals and not pass on myths.

Solveg - good point! on the shows... but i also see that the intesity is pretty different as well... which makes sense based off muscle capacity and would make the difference in losing quicker...

Thank you everyone for your comments.... it was something i've wanted to know about, if you look online you'll find a hundred conflicting opinions from MD's stating anatomical to emotional...soooo it's good to here peoples personal experiences ..thank you..

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One last thing to consider:

My ideal weight is 105 pounds. I'm small. I'm short, and have a small frame. In order for me to remain at this weight, I would have to eat fewer than 1200 calories per day. However, at fewer than 1200 calories my body goes into starvation mode, and conserves resources. So, I can eat more calories, but then I have to do far more exercise to burn off the excess. How do I know this? Because this is real life. It certainly has nothing to do with my trying to avoid exercise.

Dietary changes can, and have been made. Let's just say that my husband can lose twenty pounds without barely thinking about it. I can't.

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