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    clips vs. clipless vs. platforms, help

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    apparently my pedals are broken, they make a god aweful sound when you mash on them. I stopped at the helpful LBS and they informed me that new pedals was what I needed. They tried to push me into platforms made of metal, I asked about clipless and he said that they are fine, and showed me some shoes, but I am not sure I want to spend that much money. I also am not sure I want to ride in special shoes. I ride every morning (or at least 5 mornings a week) and average about 9~12 miles every morning. I ride a entry level LBS quality mountain bike (scott reflex 50) that came stock with plastic pedals. should I just get metal caged pedals? should I get toe clips? clipless?

    I have my eye on these, they look like they would be similar to clipless in the motion to enter and exit them, but would still allow me to ride in regular shoes.
    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...tform%20Pedals

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    I run metal platforms with clips and straps. This allows me to get most of the advantage of clipless and still wear regular shoes. Either clipless or Clip/Strap have a learning curve though and there's that 0 MPH tipover possible (and if it happens, welcome to the gang!).

    I'd go with the Metal platforms and toe clip combo myself!

    Edit: or the power grips you have linked would work well too!
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    okay

    apparently my pedals are broken, they make a god aweful sound when you mash on them. I stopped at the helpful LBS and they informed me that new pedals was what I needed. They tried to push me into platforms made of metal, I asked about clipless and he said that they are fine, and showed me some shoes, but I am not sure I want to spend that much money. I also am not sure I want to ride in special shoes. I ride every morning (or at least 5 mornings a week) and average about 9~12 miles every morning. I ride a entry level LBS quality mountain bike (scott reflex 50) that came stock with plastic pedals. should I just get metal caged pedals? should I get toe clips? clipless?

    I have my eye on these, they look like they would be similar to clipless in the motion to enter and exit them, but would still allow me to ride in regular shoes.
    http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?c...tform%20Pedals
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    and if it happens, welcome to the gang!
    I would argue that it is when... not if. And also that the risk there is worth the benefit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halthane View Post
    I would argue that it is when... not if. And also that the risk there is worth the benefit.
    99.2% probability, but I do know a couple of riders that haven't done the 0mph fall...........yet!
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    I'm a big fan of clipless...way more efficient and IMO safer (sure to cause discusssion )

    one great option is a combo platform/spd clipless. I use these on my utiliyt/commuter....I can clip if I want or just throw a leg over and ride.

    These pedals are made by shimano, performance, nashbar etc.....but right now I think you can get the pedals (campus) and a pair of clip shoes for under $80 at performance.

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    Main reason I use cage and strap is I'm just used to it and I haven't found a clipless system with enough float. I had clip and strap on my bike in the 70's and 80's, way back when and it just feels natural to me.....
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    What is float? I spent the 70's and 80's in clips too. I seriously do not know what "Float" is. After getting back on a bike after 16 years; An old time buddy convinced me to go clipless. There's no way I'd go back to clips; Unless it was for commuting.

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    Lateral motion available in the cleat locks is float. Too rigid a lock, like the early clipless can cause serious knee issues. Watch the motion range a knee goes through in the pedaling motion, they go through a figure 8 motion. Too little float restricts that free figure 8 and stresses the ligaments.

    I have knee issues already and every pair of clipless I've used causes knee pain, so I stay "Old School" for just that reason.
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    Oooh those power grips look cool. I think I'd like those over toe clips. I do clipless, myself. Easy enough for on & off. I spent ~$70 for the shoes and my spd pedals came with the bike, so it wasn't that much of a commitment.

    And, even though this will most likely jinx myself, I have NOT yet had a 0MPH fall. Yet. I fully expect to, but so far so good!
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    How bad are these clipless 0 mph falls? It seems most experienced clipless users think they are inevitable but no big thing. On pavement, I envision myself possibly banging or breaking my arm, shoulder, collar bone, knee, or ankle. Would some experience clipless user please describe what actually happens in a 0 mph fall and what types of injuries are most likely. Do your feet normally remain attached to the clips or do they break free?

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    They aren't bad, just embarrassing. Just tuck the arm, protect the head and it's generally a pretty slow fall relatively speaking.
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    everything Tom said bar one - if you get either Bebop, Speedplay or Time pedals they have between 20degrees and 10 degrees lateral float. Much easier on the knees and, with the exception of powergrips, the safest way to cycle. Yes, the clipless 0kph fall is embarassing but, with practice, you should be able to limit that to once or twice.

    My personal preference is Time pedals but speedplay and Bebop both get excellent reviews. With the shoes the stiffer the sole the better and mountian type shoes allow you to walk safely off the bike. Sidi make a set with replaceable rubber soles (SRS) so you don't have to throw good shoes away before they've completely broken.

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    The only thing I really dislike about the platform/cage combo (at least on my bike) is the clips drag on the pavement on initial takeoff while I fumble with trying to put the foot in. Combination of low BB clearance and long cranks I guess.

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    Recently, I was riding to work in my dress shoes, and the toe clips were scuffing the shoes, so I took Grant P's advice and tried going with platform pedals with no clips and straps. I dropped $20 on a pair of these:


    http://www.rivbike.com/webalog/pedal...aps/14047.html

    Since they are really BMX pedals, they oughta be really durable, and they sure are light. Generally speaking, I really like them, but when I get my spin on, I find my off-side foot lifting off the pedal. I guess I am just too used to clipless or clips and straps.

    If I had it to do over again, I probably would have bought a pair of these:


    http://www.rivbike.com/webalog/pedal...aps/14020.html

    And mounted a set of PowerGrips:


    http://www.rivbike.com/webalog/pedal...aps/14046.html

    I think the PowerGrips would have given me enough connection to the pedals, without scuffing up the good shoes! Can anybody confirm or deny that theory?

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    I like my platforms. At this point, I don't see any reason to change. Maybe when I do my first century, I check it out.

    Or maybe if I find a pair of shoes cheap enough, I'll throw pedals I have stashed on and see what the hubub is all about.

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    I've got the second pair you show. One of them, I think, is loose. I can "feel" something in it. I have to figure out how to tighten it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadBeat View Post
    How bad are these clipless 0 mph falls? It seems most experienced clipless users think they are inevitable but no big thing.
    They're neither bad nor inevitable, but for some reason a lot of people are terrified at the possibility.

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    I have never fallen using clipless pedals. I actually agree with the poster above that clipless pedals feel safer to me than clips and straps (which have to be fairly tight to approximate the feel you get from a clipless system). The release is just more predictable in my experience. I also hate the feel of straps across my feet. It actually starts to feel like I am loosing blood flow on longer rides.

    That said, ride what you feel comfortable with. The powergrips you linked to are certainly at an attractive price. Give them a try. If you feel that you would like a more solid link to the pedals after you ride them for a while, consider buying some entry level shoes and some sensible clipless pedals. Once you get used to any kind of retaining system plain old pedals feel like driving a car without a seatbelt; possible but vaguely weird and uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BadBeat View Post
    How bad are these clipless 0 mph falls? It seems most experienced clipless users think they are inevitable but no big thing. On pavement, I envision myself possibly banging or breaking my arm, shoulder, collar bone, knee, or ankle. Would some experience clipless user please describe what actually happens in a 0 mph fall and what types of injuries are most likely. Do your feet normally remain attached to the clips or do they break free?

    I've only fallen twice and only one of those was fatal.

    Actually nothing happened either time, to me or the bike. I suppose you could hit your head on a curb or rock or something and actually get hurt, but just tipping over in slow motion onto either the grass or even pavement is no big deal. And I seem to remember my feet came out on the way down, but too late to do anything helpful, other than spring back up hoping (in vain) that no one had noticed.
    It's all downhill from here. Except the parts that are uphill.

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    power grips are suicidal. and they're $45??? it's a long story, but trust me. they're primarily for stationary fitness bikes.

    you will really like clipless pedals if you buy decent shoes

    but if you don't want to take the plunge, then I suggest a good metal platform pedal with clips and straps

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1k1ng1001 View Post
    power grips are suicidal. and they're $45??? it's a long story, but trust me. they're primarily for stationary fitness bikes....
    and you know this how, please?
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    so I have been riding clipless for nearly 10 years now. I thought I would never be able to ride with out them. But recently due to a knee injury I haven't been able to commute to work using my clipless pedals, I have had to ride with platforms. It has been an interesting month, a couple of things that I have noticed are:

    - clipless give you a full range of pedal, you get more of a circular motion that provides much more power. riding with clipless I seem a lot less tired when I get to work.

    - it's great to be able to ride with normal shoes on my pedals, you don't get any power on the upstroke but there are no worries about getting your feet off of the pedals.

    I think it is really all up to your personal preference, starting monday I will be back on my road bike using clipless, but I'm thinking that on my commuter I will leave my rodeo pedals (platform on one side / clipless on the other) so that I can ride either way. I still am sold on the value of clipless pedals, and yes the 0mph fall will likely happen, but then you wouldn't have anything to think about 10 years down the road .

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    Quote Originally Posted by markhr View Post
    and you know this how, please?
    They're tough to get out of when they're tight because they over the side of your foot rather than staying situated on your toe. When they're at all loose, they're worthless.

    My old gym had them on stationary bikes and I hated them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
    They're neither bad nor inevitable, but for some reason a lot of people are terrified at the possibility.
    I did it once --IN CLIPS-- when I was stalling, waiting for a car to drive pass and it stopped to talk to me.

    I got scraped. I got a boo-boo. I lived.

    It would be bad in city traffic, though, because cars cut by you closely sometimes and you can't guarantee you're going to fall on the "safe side".

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    Quote Originally Posted by v1k1ng1001 View Post
    They're tough to get out of when they're tight because they over the side of your foot rather than staying situated on your toe. When they're at all loose, they're worthless.

    My old gym had them on stationary bikes and I hated them.
    Your old gym has actual Powergrips and bicycle pedals or do you mean the gym has those cheap plastic platforms with the wide rubber strap?



    If it's the latter then, yes, they are next to useless. I strongly recommend actually trying powergrips as the gym's setup is no indication of how well powergrips work.

    Powergrips don't work as well as clipless pedals but for what they are they're stable, strong, easy to get into and out of and don't cause as many problems or safety issues as toe clips and straps.
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