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    Hopefully my only "which bike" question.

    Hey all, went to my LBS last night and found a bike I think would be good for me. It is a GF Wahoo. Stock with V brakes not disc is going to be $400, which is a little steeper than I wanted but not too bad. On the flip side I have found a GF HKEK (Hoo Koo E Koo) for $250. The HKEK I believe is stock and from the late 90's. Here is what the ad says:

    17.5" Mountain Bike. 30" ground to middle of top tube. Shimano STX RC components. Sugino Imperial crank, 400 SRT FFS SRAM grip shifters. Front fork is Rock Shox Indy. Package rack on rear. Used but never abused. Excellent condition


    It has the Rox Shox Indy, which seems to be the biggest qualm about the bike from what I read in reviews. Now nothing is certain, I haven't went and rode the HKEK yet, but providing it fits me (size wise they are both 17.5 frames) am I better off going with the used HKEK or buying the Wahoo. I know I have customer service to think about also and the perks of buyin new, but I also think it is easier to come up with $250 now and the occassional $100 to through at it for service or parts vs. dumping $400 in one shot. I know I will probably get a lot of just buy the new one being that I am a rookie, but financial restrictions are kinda preventing it. Also as far as used goes, what do I look for in terms of hidden problems, or signs of good or poor maintenance? Thanks guys, love the forum.

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    I have a 07 Wahoo, and love it. If you think you will be riding for a while I would recomend the new bike for one reason. Lifetime warranty on the frame. GF/Trek does not transfer their warranty.
    There are many on this board that are big fans of used, so I guess the decision is personal.

    Me personally would by a road bike used, but not a MTB.

    I beat the crap out for my MTB, when I take it out for rides, and I think most people do the same.
    That is what is so much fun about them.

    You can also get a trek credit card, and get the wahoo for 6 months no intrest.

    Good luck, and have fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Joseph View Post
    Hey all, went to my LBS last night and found a bike I think would be good for me. It is a GF Wahoo. Stock with V brakes not disc is going to be $400, which is a little steeper than I wanted but not too bad. On the flip side I have found a GF HKEK (Hoo Koo E Koo) for $250. The HKEK I believe is stock and from the late 90's. Here is what the ad says:

    17.5" Mountain Bike. 30" ground to middle of top tube. Shimano STX RC components. Sugino Imperial crank, 400 SRT FFS SRAM grip shifters. Front fork is Rock Shox Indy. Package rack on rear. Used but never abused. Excellent condition


    It has the Rox Shox Indy, which seems to be the biggest qualm about the bike from what I read in reviews. Now nothing is certain, I haven't went and rode the HKEK yet, but providing it fits me (size wise they are both 17.5 frames) am I better off going with the used HKEK or buying the Wahoo. I know I have customer service to think about also and the perks of buyin new, but I also think it is easier to come up with $250 now and the occassional $100 to through at it for service or parts vs. dumping $400 in one shot. I know I will probably get a lot of just buy the new one being that I am a rookie, but financial restrictions are kinda preventing it. Also as far as used goes, what do I look for in terms of hidden problems, or signs of good or poor maintenance? Thanks guys, love the forum.

    -Joseph
    If the used bike is an Aluminum frame, I would pass, I would also pass on a used CF frame, but not Titanium or Steel. The reason is that AL can only be flexed so many times before it will suffer a catastrophic failure, casual riders, probably will not stress a frame enough to cause it to fail, but that bike could have 50,000 miles on it, and be ready to fail next week. CF easily hides damage that will cause it to fail later on. Steel and to a large extent Ti will last for a long time, will not hide damage, and you can easily put millions of miles on a steel frame without hurting it.

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    Thanks for the input guys, keep it coming. I believe the bike is a '98 model year, steel alloy frame. I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, hopefully I will this afternoon. Here is the link. http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/bik/398741451.html The guy emailed me back and he is a retired gentleman, so if I were to jump to a conclusion, I would think that being older and having a rack on the back this thing has seen mostly road miles. I am going to call him and get the full story.

    My real justification for used vs. new is that if I don't like it I will be out less money. And if I do like it, and really get into it, at that point I will beable to justify spending more money on a really nice new bike with some upgrades. Again nothing is for sure, just trying to get my ducks in a row. Thanks guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
    Steel and to a large extent Ti will last for a long time, will not hide damage,
    and you can easily put millions of miles on a steel frame without hurting it.
    Maybe easy for you, but millions of miles doesn't sound too easy to me.

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    Looks like it's never been off the road! Commuter tires and rack.....

    I'd buy it if I was looking at it to buy.
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    Ok, I just talked to the guy selling it, and my speculation is correct. Seen only pavement or dirtroad (in campgrounds). He is the original owner and after more research I am leaning toward it being aluminum frame. It has pavement minded tires on it and he does have the knobbys that came with it. He is also the original owner and he said it is a '97 or '98. Now providing it is in as good of condition as described, is it worth the $250 he is asking? My only concern is it being 9 or 10 years old.

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    Personally, I think $250 is a little steep for a 9 year old hardtail. While the HKEK is a better model than the Wahoo, its components are pretty old, but not old enough to have any nostalgic value. I bought a 3 year old Tasa last year for $300. It has 9 speed Deore on it, which works flawlessly. Craigslist here always has a bunch of hardtails in the $250 to $300 price range. I would keep looking or offer the guy less. I don't think that you need to be overly concerned about the frame having hidden damage, unless it was ridden much harder than most people ride hardtails. The great thing about buying used is you don't have to worry about putting the first scratch on it. I would just toss my Tasa in the back of my truck without securing it. My road bikes, I baby.

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    STX is kind of a low-end group. I'm pretty sure you're looking at a steel frame. If you feel comfortable on it and it doesn't look beat up, I'd offer the gentleman $200. Keep in mind you may be replacing that fork sooner than later (don't know how heavy you are, but low-end suspension forks are generally not clyde-friendly).

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    The fork being old was my other concern being I go 250lbs. But if the frame is good, is it still upgradeable as far as if I wanted to go with a different fork, derailuer, or other various parts I don't yet know the name of? If I went with the Wahoo would the components only be better because they are new or is there that much new technology at work? Again I am not sold on a used bike, but I have to atleast explore it as an option.

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    It will cost you more than you will pay for the bike to upgrade the components.

    Also has grip shifters...... I hate grip shifters. I have them on my 93 hardrock.
    Nothing worse than accidentally shifting 2-3 gears while going on some rough terrain.

    I guess some people must like them, since they make them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Joseph View Post
    The fork being old was my other concern being I go 250lbs. But if the frame is good, is it still upgradeable as far as if I wanted to go with a different fork, derailuer, or other various parts I don't yet know the name of? If I went with the Wahoo would the components only be better because they are new or is there that much new technology at work? Again I am not sold on a used bike, but I have to atleast explore it as an option.

    -Joseph
    Your best bet, is to make an offer on the used bike, say $175 - $200, and see if you get it for less, then that's a good thing. Now set up a savings account at your bank, and deposit the rest of the $250, every week you put $20 into the account, when your family are looking for Birthday and holiday present ideas, suggest money for your new bike fund, this also gets deposited into the account, in a year you will have over $1000 in there, how much more depends on how generous your family is. You will also know what kind of bike you really want, and have time to research makes, models, shops, etc. Once you have your new one, sell the old one, you will probably get your money back on it.

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    And in conclusion..... The used bike was not that bad. It had one cosmetic blemish that knocked it out of consideration. I big rust spot from rubbing on some sort of bike rack or something. Thick rust, flaky, not surface rust. So without further ado, I am going new and am between 2 models.. See my next thread. Sorry guys, I know you must hate,"what do you think about this bike" threads.

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    Joseph, No problem. There is just not enough information out there for larger frame folks that want to get into cycling. This forum has been great for this. People riding the bikes are your best bet and most here are very free with their information on what they like and don't like.

    Between this forum, the 50+ forum and the Mechanics forums, I've found an internet home away from home.

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    Joseph, we're here to help....no worries!
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