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    Fall....

    The season not the activity

    I have been steadily pushing myself since mid-April, after a lack lustre beginning, I'm going for a big push this week, which will leave me over the 1000 mile mark for the year. The days are getting shorter, they will soon start getting cooler and wetter, and it usually snows at least once in November.

    Now here is the question, do you keep training harder and harder in the fall, and then stop suddenly at the end of the season, or start gradually cutting back until the season ends?

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    I say go out with a bang!!!

    Maintain during the winter with something indoors even a stationary bike

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    I think I will be lucky in that there won't really be an end to the season. I won't ride in snow (we don't get much) or if it is too cold but I am not sure what 'too cold' is going to be. When I was younger, I rode in pretty cold weather. Had all the gear...goretex, blaclava, gloves, etc.

    I was just telling the wife today that I am going to need to start looking into colder weather gear in the next month or so.

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    I pretty much train all year, even when the snow flies, in the winter I don't ride as hard, but I do ride, if the roads are clear of ice and snow I ride. Temp isn't really a problem as long as you know how to prepare for the ride, it took me about 3 years to figure out my cold weather gear and get what I needed. Now however winter is an inconvienent but not out of the question to ride.
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    Fall is my favorite season. I've never riden in the fall and I'm looking forward to it. I do have to get some tights and long sleeve shirts though.

    I plan to hit it hard right up untill the snow flies, so I say go for it.
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    There's Always the old resistance trainer as well.

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    Since I don't have a car, I have to ride in the Winter. I won't ride if the streets are hazardous, no matter what. I don't have health ins. either!
    I also have a minimum temperature level (36). It seems that temp is like a "wall" when it comes to misery level for me. Only necessary short trips like groceries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun View Post
    Since I don't have a car, I have to ride in the Winter. I won't ride if the streets are hazardous, no matter what. I don't have health ins. either!
    I also have a minimum temperature level (36). It seems that temp is like a "wall" when it comes to misery level for me. Only necessary short trips like groceries.
    Geez. Now I'm gonna be worried about you all winter. You've been doing this a long time? I read somewhere that it takes 3 years of experience to learn how to dress right for winter riding.

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    No worries. I live 60 miles from the coast, so it "normally" doesn't get too cold.
    If it gets too cold, the grocery store is .99 miles away, according to my cheap speedometer, so walking isn't that bad.
    Worst case, I can take our very limited public transit, although 1/2 the time, walking is faster. It takes 5 minutes to get down town. 55 minutes to get back!
    I grew up in N Idaho, so I do know what "real" cold was like

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    Get some nice nokian studden tires if your worried about snow/ice and get out there and have fun all year round. Biking in the cold is the best activity. Sure it may take a while to learn the right clothes to wear but you dress in layers. You'll be suprised how little clothing you need with that furnace pumping out heat inside you pouring out. Gloves were the really tricky part for me and make sure you have ear covering.

    Back in Connecticut I used to just wear an underarmor cold gear shirt and very light fleece like vest to the train station 10 miles away over the hills. If it was really windy or sleeting I had a light weight double layer wind breaker and raind paint I could put on but rarely did. With the wind off the long island sound and temps in the teens and colder without wind chill it was far from warm. It was fun watching the looks on the non commuters faces when I put my bike in the bike locker (oh those were the days) and walked up to the train platform as a mobile steam room.

    The most dangerous thing in the snow and huge downpours? Potholes! Snow drifts make the road look perfectly flat and then wham down your front wheel goes into a 3" deep hole.

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    There's nothing quite like seeing that 4th digit turn over on the computer.

    As for winter, we don't get much snow so I commute all winter. It just gets cold (mid 30s, low 40s) and rains for 6 months. It's an ugly slog to work, but fenders and the like make it better. It beats driving, for sure.

    Back in Ohio, I'd prop my bike on a mag trainer for the winter and watch a lot of movies while I cranked out the miles. I've got a stationary 'bent now, and for long winter rides I set up in front of the TV and pedal away while playing my X360. (Is it weird that I play driving games while riding my stationary bike?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
    It just gets cold (mid 30s, low 40s) and rains for 6 months. It's an ugly slog to work, but fenders and the like make it better. It beats driving, for sure.
    See, I read this stuff, and I think--once again-- "Gee, maybe I'll try some winter riding this year". Then a post like this comes up and I'm reminded that most of you don't even HAVE winter. -30 windchill for a solid month is a whole different ballgame.

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    I can't wait for fall or winter. I'm going to tough it out through the winter and at least keep commuting (~2 miles direct), and try to keep the long rides in as much as I can handle. If I can deal with a 117 heat index, I'm pretty sure 20 degrees will be cake.

    (someone note that I said this now... )

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    Quote Originally Posted by solveg View Post
    See, I read this stuff, and I think--once again-- "Gee, maybe I'll try some winter riding this year". Then a post like this comes up and I'm reminded that most of you don't even HAVE winter. -30 windchill for a solid month is a whole different ballgame.
    riding in winter is about the proper attire, and truthfully a ride at 15 degrees any day is better that sitting in my office and eating lunch, and I'm thinking that this winter I'm going to try to have some commuting days . But like bdinger says, I say that now when the outside temp in the afternoon is in the 90's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by solveg View Post
    See, I read this stuff, and I think--once again-- "Gee, maybe I'll try some winter riding this year". Then a post like this comes up and I'm reminded that most of you don't even HAVE winter. -30 windchill for a solid month is a whole different ballgame.
    You're right, we don't have a real winter in the sf bay area, only the rainy season, which usually doesn't last long. It can get a bit chilly, but not anywhere near -30 windchill. I'd say out of the year 300+ days are rideable. solution? come out here for the winter months, and enjoy the weather and the plentiful places to ride (warning, most of the nice rides have hills )

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    I had about 500 miles in this year by April 1. Hope to do better this coming winter. Love riding in the spring and fall. Winter and summer, not so much love, but still get out and get with the program.
    It's all downhill from here. Except the parts that are uphill.

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    Fall is the best time to ride!!! It is cool and dry, and the leaves change colors. Just great!

    Winter is tough. I love trail riding on the MTB, but I don't know about riding the roadie. Below freezing temps is cold in the trees at 8mph, but on a trail at 18mph...that will be brutal!

    If you have not tried riding in the snow, and you have a MTB, think about it. It is best in the morning, with a light snowfall overnight. Guys around here call it getting fresh tracks. The ground is hard as a rock and that makes the trail FAST FAST FAST.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evblazer View Post
    Get some nice nokian studden tires if your worried about snow/ice and get out there and have fun all year round. Biking in the cold is the best activity. Sure it may take a while to learn the right clothes to wear but you dress in layers. You'll be suprised how little clothing you need with that furnace pumping out heat inside you pouring out. Gloves were the really tricky part for me and make sure you have ear covering.

    Back in Connecticut I used to just wear an underarmor cold gear shirt and very light fleece like vest to the train station 10 miles away over the hills. If it was really windy or sleeting I had a light weight double layer wind breaker and raind paint I could put on but rarely did. With the wind off the long island sound and temps in the teens and colder without wind chill it was far from warm. It was fun watching the looks on the non commuters faces when I put my bike in the bike locker (oh those were the days) and walked up to the train platform as a mobile steam room.

    The most dangerous thing in the snow and huge downpours? Potholes! Snow drifts make the road look perfectly flat and then wham down your front wheel goes into a 3" deep hole.
    There are 3 things I worry about with winter, first is the cagers who think it's perfectly acceptable to not clean their car windows ever, they clear a 4cm circle right in the middle of their viewing area of the windshield and look only for the taillights of the car ahead of them, the chances of them seeing a bicycle are slim in the middle of summer, in winter, they will not see you, and probably will not feel it even when they run over your helmet.

    Second are the drivers who think that you drive a car in a snow storm exactly the same way you drive it on a bright sunny day in the summer, accelerating right up until your 5 metres from the red light or stop, sign, and then jamming full on the brakes. Of course the 65,536+ fender benders and collisions we have in this city after every snow storm attest to how well this works.

    Third, the city likes to chemically remove the snow from the roads, this chemical is very corrosive, it eats any metal that isn't throughly protected, my bike is aluminum, I would rather not see that frame corroded to nothing because of winter riding. So no matter what, the bike takes the winter off, global warming has helped though, season used to run from the end of April to the beginning of November, the last couple of years the last ride was after Christmas. In fact my last ride of 2005 was on 3-Jan-2006. Last year the last ride was after Christmas, and the first ride this year was 25 March (4.4km in 16 minutes). So it is less then 3 months off now, just long enough to put on 20lbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by fifthcircle View Post
    Fall is the best time to ride!!! It is cool and dry, and the leaves change colors. Just great!

    Winter is tough. I love trail riding on the MTB, but I don't know about riding the roadie. Below freezing temps is cold in the trees at 8mph, but on a trail at 18mph...that will be brutal!

    If you have not tried riding in the snow, and you have a MTB, think about it. It is best in the morning, with a light snowfall overnight. Guys around here call it getting fresh tracks. The ground is hard as a rock and that makes the trail FAST FAST FAST.

    -5th
    I've actually done this, loads of fun on a hard tail that likes to throw it's tail out on curves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
    I've actually done this, loads of fun on a hard tail that likes to throw it's tail out on curves
    That's what I'm talkin about! It really is a fun time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fifthcircle View Post
    That's what I'm talkin about! It really is a fun time.
    Yes, when the old hardtail wags it's tail in the bush, where the trees and rocks are relatively stationary, and most critters give you a wide berth. It's not so much fun, on the road when dealing with cagers who are mostly, completely clueless, and will as soon run you over as anything else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evblazer View Post
    Get some nice nokian studden tires if your worried about snow/ice and get out there and have fun all year round.
    I'm curious -- what's the deepest snow you've ever ridden in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
    I'm curious -- what's the deepest snow you've ever ridden in?
    Alot deeper then any snow i've ever _Driven_ in. Usually when I drove, pre nokian, it was already plowed or just a few inches on streets that hadn't gotten to recently. When I rode I'd hit fresh snow or snow over previously plowed snow. The one nice thing about a front suspension hybrid was when your cruising along and whack a hidden pothole or hit some previously plowed snow you don't go down and when I did I fell in snow
    As long as I could turn the pedals I'd try and ride in it I mean why not?? I love to show people you can ride in anything, well save lightning perhaps, and get through just fine. It took longer and I took a different route to avoid all the sliding cars but it was safer for me and my car at home hiding in the garage while I had one.
    If the snow was up to my handlebars or something I would take the day off of work.. I'd ride around the block though or at least try. I have ridden when ever pedal stroke went into the snow.

    I've ridden my bike a few times way upstate NY in Potsdam which got alot more snow then connecticut and rode it once after an ice storm that shut the school down for the first time in history. It was 2 inches of solid ice. Fun as heck but I'd _Never_ do that again. Absolutely the worst parts about texas and why I got rid of my ice bike so I didnt' have to look at it. No snow no ice. Just blazing humid heat, lightning, tornadoes and blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evblazer View Post
    Alot deeper then any snow i've ever _Driven_ in.
    Okay...so...a number? One feet, two feet, three feet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
    Okay...so...a number? One feet, two feet, three feet?
    I haven't seen snow in 3 years and honestly I never took anything with me to measure it. At one time I remember the weatherman had said we got 18 inches of snow if I remember correctly and then a few more inches later that day for my ride home. Most streets were plowed by then but some sidestreets I took were not.
    It was over a foot at least. The top third of my pedal stroke I wasn't in the snow but going down I broke fresh powder. Don't have the bike anymore or anything to measure my new bike where I'm at with to be exact but that is at least a foot or more. There were some spots that I had to go through drifts where it was higher and lower but it was over my bottom bracket and my panniers were coated with it as they cut through the snow.

    Would I do it everyday? Probably not but it would have been plowed at some point. Just make sure to do a good job cleaning off your bike when you get home and not ride your nice bike

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