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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 08-28-07, 10:03 AM   #1
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Clyde Vitamins and Supplements?

Are you for or against them if you use them what do you take?

I have been taking

Hydroxycut Hardcore (2 in the morning) trying it to burn more body fat.

L-Arginine (1000 mg a day) opens up your veins allowing more blood to flow. Has a nice side effect too I will let you find that one out on your own

Glucosamine Chondroitin w/ MSM 2 pills a day for Bones and joint problems.

I had an all natural whole food liquid multi vitamin I was taking but I ran out.

Anyone have a good multi vitamin they recommend?
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Old 08-28-07, 11:33 AM   #2
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Can't answer about the first two, although I suspect most of them are destroyed in the stomach by the HCl produced. The Glucosamine, though, is an excellent supplement.
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Basic multivitamin does the trick for most.
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Can't answer about the first two, although I suspect most of them are destroyed in the stomach by the HCl produced. The Glucosamine, though, is an excellent supplement.
Not sure about the L-Arginine delivery system, but the Hydroxycut HC delivery system involves a new liqui-capsule formulation with some basic (pH) elements to it, for rapid and more complete absorption.

With H'cut, as with any thermogenic weight-loss formulation, be careful that you're increasing your water intake accordingly and watching your RHR (resting heart rate.) Be mindful of any physiological changes that you notice while taking them, and consult a physician if you don't think something is right.
When I was doing competitive weightlifting, I did plain old-school ECA stacking (the predecessor to products like H'cut and Stacker II.) They can all be utilized safely, but really pay attention to your body's reactions. Exhaustive dehydration, heart palpitations, seizures, and death (in the worst cases) are all possibilities of bad reactions to normal doses (or result of overdosing) with thermogenic compounds.

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The GNC brand Sport multivitamin works pretty well, but it's fairly expensive. I've been trying a liquid multivitamin lately though (I forget the brand name ATM), and it's even more expensive, but I find that my body absorbs more of it (it doesn't turn my pee yellow).

I've used Hydroxycut Hardcore in the past, and actually have a bottle of it in the medicine cabinet right now. Besides the caffiene buzz, I've never noticed it does much for me - I seem to lose weight at roughly the same rate with or without it.

I also have a protien shake mix (whey protien, soy protien, simple & complex carbs, glutamine, etc.) that I drink immediately after every work out. The way I mix it, it's about 500 calories, so I just count it as one of my meals for the day. I can't say for certain that it's making me build muscle or lose weight any faster, but it makes a big difference in my recovery time - even after a tough workout, I'm ready to go again the next morning.

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A basic multi-vitamin. Taking pills to drop pounds is a pretty solid recipe for failure IMHO.
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The GNC brand Sport multivitamin works pretty well, but it's fairly expensive. I've been trying a liquid multivitamin lately though (I forget the brand name ATM), and it's even more expensive, but I find that my body absorbs more of it (it doesn't turn my pee yellow).
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Actually you are completely right with the body absorbing liquid better then the pill I will look around and find the link of where I read that soon but its like 90% with the liquid > only 20% with the pill.
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This is the multivitamin I've been using:


Tastes a little funky, but it seems to work pretty well.

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Exhaustive dehydration, heart palpitations, seizures, and death (in the worst cases) are all possibilities of bad reactions to normal doses (or result of overdosing) with thermogenic compounds.
Yet another reason to not take this stuff. Just a multi-vitamin for me.
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Taking thermogenics is like entering a race to see if you can finish and then taking a shortcut. It's self-defeating behavior. Sure you can rationalize...just like the cheesecake.
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I really should take a multi vitamin every day but I am just not good with remembering to take pills. My doctor told me I am at an age where I should take a baby aspirin every day and I can't remember to do that more than a few times a week. It is probably psychological as I hate taking medicine for any reason and stay away from it almost totally.
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I really should take a multi vitamin every day but I am just not good with remembering to take pills. My doctor told me I am at an age where I should take a baby aspirin every day and I can't remember to do that more than a few times a week. It is probably psychological as I hate taking medicine for any reason and stay away from it almost totally.
Put the pills by your tooth brush or your coffee pot some where you visit every morning. I would say on top of the toilet but I could just imagine them falling in
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I have taken the baby aspirin to work figuring I would remember to take them at least 5 days a week but I still sometimes neglect to.

I liek the coffee idea. Maybe I will try to remember to put the bottle in my coffee cup. I won't miss them then, I can tell you that.
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I take Arginine and that little (big) side affect can get annoying in Lycra. I also take whey protein, my multi vitamin, and a hammer gel about 30-40 miles into any ride. I keep one in my seat bag.
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I take Arginine and that little (big) side affect can get annoying in Lycra.
LOL thank God for my aerotech baggies I bet the women are like though
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I use Kirklands (costco) premium performance multivitamin. It seems to work about as well as the GNC stuff for a better price.
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I take a Costco multi-vitamin, 81 mg. of aspirin and 3 grams of fish oil daily. I figure that when I get hit by a bus, I will be an excellent organ donor candidate.
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I take the GNC Multivitamin Sport -- actually when i remember to take them (the same as already stated)! I have taken "Hot Rox (spell check)" once but it made my heart "jump" at times..so i stayed away from them! I would however like something that will boost me up like caffeine or a type of metabolism booster that is safe -- i was thinking hydroxycut but im not sure.. anyone give me (a young clyde) inisight??

Also what is this "L-Arginine" and what is its "nice side effect"??
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I just ordered this recommended from a friend who is all in to health foods it was kinda of expensive on $30 for the bottle but he swears by it /shrug the bottle will last a month and you have to refrigerate it after opening.
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I take the GNC Multivitamin Sport -- actually when i remember to take them (the same as already stated)! I have taken "Hot Rox (spell check)" once but it made my heart "jump" at times..so i stayed away from them! I would however like something that will boost me up like caffeine or a type of metabolism booster that is safe -- i was thinking hydroxycut but im not sure.. anyone give me (a young clyde) inisight??

Also what is this "L-Arginine" and what is its "nice side effect"??
I looked up some information about Hot Rox and other products in its classification. All contain 3,17-dihydroxy-delta-5-etiocholane-7-one diethylcarbonate which is on the INBF Banned Substances list as a prohormone derivative. Etiocholane (albeit a highly substituent form) is the important thing here. It's an androsterone derivative, and helps with fat metabolism. The other weight loss with this product is coming from macrogol glycerides (diuretic and laxative) and the proprietary Sclaremax(tm) formulation (a sclareolide extract formula largely comprised of massive caffeine doses.)

If you were getting heart issues from Hot Rox, you shouldn't venture to take any other thermogenic compounds as they are all metabolic boosters which utilize caffeine (whether chemically designated, or found as plant extracts.)


L-Arginine (500mg/daily) has been used in conjunction with proanthocyanidins to treat erectile dysfunction, since you're wondering. It also helps with the synthesis of HGH and with increasing fat metabolism. A recent study has linked L-Arginine supplementation with increased risk of death in patients recovering from heart attacks.
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My base suplements:
2 multi-tab vitamins
Vitamin C
Flax oil (approx 1 tbsp)
fish oil
soy and whey protein
fiber
glucosamine / MSM

Others:
CLA
reservatol
CoQ10
home mixed herb mixture (pergium bark, stinging nettle root, saw pawmeto)
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