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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 09-18-07, 10:03 PM   #1
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Can a Clyde do a marathon.

Guess im gonna find out. Starting this summer with my weight loss and fitness goal, I set out to do Hotter than hell 100K. Did that and helped me lose to where im at now. But did not really make me push my self like I wanted. My goal for next year is to start doing triathlons and lots of them. So made the Decision a few weeks ago to do a half marathon in Nov. and signed up for it. Then after tonights run decided why stop there lets go for the whole thing with a full Marathon in Dec. Plan on doing this program that a friend set up for me. Should be interesting. This marathon will come at about the time I had my acl/meniscus surgery last year. Any other clydes here done a Marathon and have any advice. Here is my running program. The last number being totals for the week.
9-Dec 3 3 3 26.2 35.2
2-Dec 3 5 3 8 19
25-Nov 5 8 5 9 27
18-Nov 5 8 5 18 36
11-Nov 5 8 5 18 36
4-Nov 5 8 5 16 34
28-Oct 5 8 5 16 34
21-Oct 4 7 4 16 31
14-Oct 4 6 4 14 28
7-Oct 4 6 4 12 26
30-Sep 4 5 4 11 24
23-Sep 3 5 3 10 21
16-Sep 3 5 3 8 19
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great work....I have been considering a mini tri...considering mind you
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I've run 2 marathons and I am not going to lie, carrying 200+ for 26.2 miles is going to hurt.. The biggest hurdle is to stay healthy enough and put enough quality miles in so you can enjoy the experience.. what kind of mile times are you running right now?

See how you do with your 1/2 marathon before to go all in for the marathon, it is hard on your body..

My first marathon, my longest training run was 16 miles.. I would recommend a medium pace 20 mile training run just so your body acclimate's enough before doing the whole 26.2..
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I am not a runner, but I am planning on doing a few sprint tri's and at least one olympic tri in 2008. There is no way my body could handle a half marathon or a full marathon in the "clyde" condition it is in. I am soon to be 44, so maybe it is not in my future, but I am going to try some running events this fall.

I would think that your hips and knees would not like the abuse of the run with the extra weight of a clyde, unless you are a very fit clyde. I know a few people that can run half marathons that are 200 pounds and around 6' tall, but they are very very low fat, and high muscle. One is 44 now and he is a very good athlete. I would not consider him a clyde, but by the weight, he is a clyde.

I would start out slow and work up to it and make sure your body can handle it. Good luck and keep us updated. People like you are what keeps me working harder to meet my 2008 goals, as I have already reached my 2007 goals.
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I couldn't do it now, but back in high school I did the Cleveland-Revco marathon. Yes, I was a Clydesdale even back then; at my height it's tough not to be.
Finished in just under 3:45:00.

It can be done. It's not easy. Your training seems sound. Best of luck with it.
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I've run 2 marathons and I am not going to lie, carrying 200+ for 26.2 miles is going to hurt.. The biggest hurdle is to stay healthy enough and put enough quality miles in so you can enjoy the experience.. what kind of mile times are you running right now?

See how you do with your 1/2 marathon before to go all in for the marathon, it is hard on your body..

My first marathon, my longest training run was 16 miles.. I would recommend a medium pace 20 mile training run just so your body acclimate's enough before doing the whole 26.2..
Tonight my first three miles took me around 25 min, first mile I took pretty slow to warm up. Im not a fast runner, and my only goal is to finish. Im definitely gonna wait until after the 1/2 to commit fully to the full. Ill replace one of the 18 mile runs with a 20 mile run.

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All I can say is that if you believe you can do it and give it a try, your chances are infinitely batter than if you don't and never try

Go for it, you may well stun yourself as to what you really are capable of
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I don't run. I have a non-union fracture in my right foot that's never going to be normal enough to run significant distances on a regular basis, so there you have it. However, in the days when I was trying to run despite my foot, I learned that while you can (with a good program) get yourself aerobically fit enough to run a marathon in six months or so, you can't get your body ready to withstand the pounding as quickly. If you're not running already, I'd adjust those dates.
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I have done a few marathons and found that the 20 mile mark was a killer for me in both instances but I recovered after a few miles. I found 1/2 marathons pretty easy while I was training and was surprised by how much harder the full marathon was. I think if I were to do it again I would find a training group that intended to try to run the pace I was shooting for so that I could become comfortable with a set pace. I ended up right around 3:40 for both the marathons I ran, the first one I was on pace for 3:20 at the half and the second one I was on pace for 3:40 at the half, I will leave you to guess which one hurt the most.

In both runs and in my training I had more problems with my feet than any of my joints, you really need to be sure that you have a known comfortable pair of socks and shoes for your run. I made the mistake of replacing my shoes just a few weeks before the first marathon I did and I ended up with some pretty bad blisters. I did end up with some knee pain after my first marathon as it was really hilly (Big Sur) and the downhill portions were tough on the knees but it only bothered me after the run.
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I have been running for a few months just nothing to long, about 10 miles a week, over three days. Also last week I went to a running store and got fitted for shoes, it seemed to really help.
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A big guy can run marathons and ultras! Over the past 13 years, I've run 74 ultramarathons, mostly trail, mostly 50k's (31 miles), but a few 50 milers too. And a dozen or so marathons. My average weight = 240 lbs. for those races. I started with a heel-strike running stride, but, after several years, switched to a mid-foot strike (sorta like "Pose Method" or "Chi Running") which is easier on my body. And, yes, I was the heaviest finisher in each of the 74 ultras I have completed. I attribute my ability to run ultra at my age (51) to the stout musculature resulting from tens of thousands of miles bicycling between ages 16 and 30.

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A big guy can run marathons and ultras! Over the past 13 years, I've run 74 ultramarathons, mostly trail, mostly 50k's (31 miles), but a few 50 milers too. And a dozen or so marathons. My average weight = 240 lbs. for those races. I started with a heel-strike running stride, but, after several years, switched to a mid-foot strike (sorta like "Pose Method" or "Chi Running") which is easier on my body. And, yes, I was the heaviest finisher in each of the 74 ultras I have completed. I attribute my ability to run ultra at my age (51) to the stout musculature resulting from tens of thousands of miles bicycling between ages 16 and 30.

Good luck, and advise if I can provide any help off-list.
Now thats what I wanted to hear. Might have to look into the Mid-foot strike as I run with a heel strike right now. Right now I should be just below 240 (Have not weighed this week) Hoping to get down to low 220's or lower by Dec.
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great work....I have been considering a mini tri...considering mind you
Stop considering and just do it. A sprint distance tri may look long and hard, but if you break it down into its parts its only a long workout made of three different things. Pretty sure I've seen you mention some pretty long bike rides so the endurance is probably there, just need to train a little to get used to swimming and running. I've got several planned for next week and I'm quite excited about it.
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Guess im gonna find out. Starting this summer with my weight loss and fitness goal, I set out to do Hotter than hell 100K. Did that and helped me lose to where im at now. But did not really make me push my self like I wanted. My goal for next year is to start doing triathlons and lots of them. So made the Decision a few weeks ago to do a half marathon in Nov. and signed up for it. Then after tonights run decided why stop there lets go for the whole thing with a full Marathon in Dec. Plan on doing this program that a friend set up for me. Should be interesting. This marathon will come at about the time I had my acl/meniscus surgery last year. Any other clydes here done a Marathon and have any advice. Here is my running program. The last number being totals for the week.
9-Dec 3 3 3 26.2 35.2
2-Dec 3 5 3 8 19
25-Nov 5 8 5 9 27
18-Nov 5 8 5 18 36
11-Nov 5 8 5 18 36
4-Nov 5 8 5 16 34
28-Oct 5 8 5 16 34
21-Oct 4 7 4 16 31
14-Oct 4 6 4 14 28
7-Oct 4 6 4 12 26
30-Sep 4 5 4 11 24
23-Sep 3 5 3 10 21
16-Sep 3 5 3 8 19
Arrrrrrr matey, yer schedule looks OK except I'd make a few changes, see.

I'm going to make a few assumptions here, one of which is that you haven't been running for more than a year. Assuming that, the changes I'd make are thus:

28-Oct 5 8 5 12 30
4-Nov 5 9 5 17 36
11-Nov 5 9 5 13 32
18-Nov 5 10 5 21 41
25-Nov 5 9 5 12 31

The changes are based on the concept of not doing multiple weeks with a long run back to back once you break past 13 miles on a run. Doing so will likely lead to injury.. I'm also assuming your schedule is a T/W/Th/Sa schedule with both Sunday and Mondays & Fridays off? You might want to go ahead and throw in a VERY easy 1-2 mile JOG (slow slow slow pace) on the Sundays after your long runs just to help flush the legs out.

Also **** VERY IMPORTANT **** Stretch EVERY MORNING, Stretch EVERY EVENING, Stretch BEFORE EVERY RUN, ****** STRETCH AFTER EVERY RUN *******. If you have to skip every stretching except one, STRETCH AFTER EVERY RUN!!!!!

On your long runs you may want to stop at mile 10 or so and stretch there too; I used to stretch for 5 minutes at mile 16 whenever I ran long distances..

ALSO, use ice therapy AFTER YOUR LONG RUN!! Get a bag of ice, throw it in a tub with cold water, let it sit for 5-10 minutes, then you sit in it for 10 minutes. The first two minutes will be some of the most miserable minutes of your life, but by minute ten you'll be thanking me for this advice.

ALSO, replace your shoes every 300 miles. That means in prep for a marathon you're going to go through two pairs, and I'd use a "new" pair for the marathon. By new I mean you bought them, put 20-30 miles on them, then stuck them in a closet until race day.

And finally, remember that the most important thing in your first Marathon is finishing!

Ken (finisher of the disney marathon, two marine corps marathons, the last chance first chance millenium marathon, and the avenue of the giants marathon, plus finisher in countless half-marathons, but then I discovered the bike)..
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I have done a few marathons and found that the 20 mile mark was a killer for me in both instances but I recovered after a few miles. I found 1/2 marathons pretty easy while I was training and was surprised by how much harder the full marathon was. I think if I were to do it again I would find a training group that intended to try to run the pace I was shooting for so that I could become comfortable with a set pace. I ended up right around 3:40 for both the marathons I ran, the first one I was on pace for 3:20 at the half and the second one I was on pace for 3:40 at the half, I will leave you to guess which one hurt the most.

In both runs and in my training I had more problems with my feet than any of my joints, you really need to be sure that you have a known comfortable pair of socks and shoes for your run. I made the mistake of replacing my shoes just a few weeks before the first marathon I did and I ended up with some pretty bad blisters. I did end up with some knee pain after my first marathon as it was really hilly (Big Sur) and the downhill portions were tough on the knees but it only bothered me after the run.
There's two races in a marathon. The first 20 miles, and the last 10k. Man, my first marathon was the most miserable experience in my life..
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Thanks for the advice Ken, I like the revised schedule you have. You are correct on the scheduling of my runs, mon I will be on the bike with my school tri club, also gonna be on it at least one other day. I think sun will be my off day completely. Funny enough you are the second person I have talked to that has brought up the ice in the bath tub. My buddy said they did this at OCS on off weekends. He said it sucks but helps.

Thanks again. for all the advice guys.
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It is a noble goal, that's for sure. Running is a different animal than cycling so be careful.

I only run twice a week, 5-6 miles tops, and the reason is that my body doesn't really tolerate it, especially my knees. I'm only 33 and somewhere along the line I've accumulated a lot of wear and tear on my lower body. For me a century is nothing. Running 26 miles, on the other hand, is possible but probably not worth the pain and expenditures.

I know there are some excellent books on running methodology and training. I'd read up if I were you and form a detailed plan to reach this goal. Also, get the right equipment in terms of shoes and inserts to correct any biomechanical problems you might naturally have.
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It is a noble goal, that's for sure. Running is a different animal than cycling so be careful.

I only run twice a week, 5-6 miles tops, and the reason is that my body doesn't really tolerate it, especially my knees. I'm only 33 and somewhere along the line I've accumulated a lot of wear and tear on my lower body. For me a century is nothing. Running 26 miles, on the other hand, is possible but probably not worth the pain and expenditures.

I know there are some excellent books on running methodology and training. I'd read up if I were you and form a detailed plan to reach this goal. Also, get the right equipment in terms of shoes and inserts to correct any biomechanical problems you might naturally have.
Funny thing about my knees is my "bad" knee is doing better than my good knee. I did another 3 miles tonight with no problem. Im thinking atleast half of this is gonna be mental more than anything. Going for the 8 mile run on sat. will be my longest run yet.
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There's two races in a marathon. The first 20 miles, and the last 10k. Man, my first marathon was the most miserable experience in my life..
Ultrarunners eschew that adage. For all the good he did with his breakthrough book years ago, Jeff Galloway did the marathoning community a disservice by recommending a 20 or 22 mile run as the longest training run. IMO, a better way to train for a marathon is to include training runs of 30 miles at a very slow pace (or, alternatively, to run a few 50k trail races).
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Stop considering and just do it. A sprint distance tri may look long and hard, but if you break it down into its parts its only a long workout made of three different things. Pretty sure I've seen you mention some pretty long bike rides so the endurance is probably there, just need to train a little to get used to swimming and running. I've got several planned for next week and I'm quite excited about it.
Sorry, not me, I haven't been on any real long rides but you are right
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