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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 10-12-07, 03:47 PM   #1
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Not a traditional clyde, but needing help.

Alright guys, so I'm not 200+, I'm around 185, but I'm 6'6" and apparently, I pedal too hard. I don't know if it's just that I have too much torque in my long legs, coupled with the fact that I ride fixed, or if I just literally put too much power into my pedals, but I've broken two spindles in the last month. The first one was a fast clean break as I started off from a light. The latest one was a slow, twisting break. I felt the spindle just turn to putty as I powered my way up a hill. When I got to the top I looked down and gave my pedal a little kick, knocking the whole crank arm to the ground with a little shard of spindle still sticking out of it.

Basically I just don't know what to do. I just got a new to me frame from a friend of mine that I'm going to build up, but I want to buy a BB for it that has the fortitude to stand up to my pounding for a good long time. I figured you guys would be the guys to ask what that might be, the scrawny little boys on the SS/FG forum just can't relate.

Any ideas?
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Old 10-12-07, 04:21 PM   #2
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Well, at over 6 feet, guess what........you're a Clyde!

OK, as to pedals.......

Don't worry about a few grams and get chro-moly spindles
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it would help to know what you're riding now, what spindles you've broken, and if you're talking pedal or BB spindle....

edit -- and if you can stand the inevitable heckling, you should try this post in the SSFG forum....
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Well, at over 6 feet, guess what........you're a Clyde!

OK, as to pedals.......

Don't worry about a few grams and get chro-moly spindles
oh okay, I thought the requirements were purely weight based.

but anyway, yeah I'm really not worried about a few grams, honestly, I'm not too concerned about the weight of my ride.

Also, it's a old Peugeot that I converted to fixed. I believe it's a '71. The BB, spindle and cranks were all original until I broke the first one. Then, since its a french BB and the cups were still good, I replaced that spindle with another used one of unknown materials. Granted, I probably should've gotten a new one at that point, but it was the cheap way to go and I honestly just thought the first time was a fluke. Now that I have this other frame with English BB threads, I'm looking to get a brand new one in there.
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Yeah, just build it with strong components. It'll save you $$ in the long run

By the way, Clyde's are 200 and up and/or 6 foot and taller
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oh okay, I thought the requirements were purely weight based.

but anyway, yeah I'm really not worried about a few grams, honestly, I'm not too concerned about the weight of my ride.

Also, it's a old Peugeot that I converted to fixed. I believe it's a '71. The BB, spindle and cranks were all original until I broke the first one. Then, since its a french BB and the cups were still good, I replaced that spindle with another used one of unknown materials. Granted, I probably should've gotten a new one at that point, but it was the cheap way to go and I honestly just thought the first time was a fluke. Now that I have this other frame with English BB threads, I'm looking to get a brand new one in there.
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Well honestly I'm just pretty new to the BB department. Are there any specific brands/models I should look for/stay away from?
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I'll have to leave that question as to brand, etc to others. I can say this though, on my old touring ride, I'm running a Sakae crank and BB, old school, unsealed cartridge. The bike has thousands of miles on it, and is the stock BB from original manufacture in 1986. Keep it maintained and I expect it to last another 20!

Basically, don't skimp and buy a "Budget BB", as you'll wind up spending more than getting the top of the line.
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If it is an old 1971 era bike, then do what Tom says. Don't scrimp and get bargain basement parts. I would also seriously advise NOT getting a bottom bracket with a cotter pin crank. I used to twist and grind those things to death "back in the day", but have never eaten a bottom bracket or crank with a more modern design. I'm sure that they made non-cotter-pin cranks for your standard 5-speed gearing system from that era, because I ride one from that era myself. Just make sure to get the right width, so that the gears work correctly. You can often buy an old yard-sale bike with a better bottom bracket for almost nothing ($10 - $30 can buy you whole bikes that need repair, but have the parts that you need at local yard sales).

Many things on old-school bikes work just as well as more modern stuff, only it is heavier, and often takes a little more effort to use (like down-tube shifters vs. modern brifters). The only BIG exceptions to that rule, in my opinion, are cotter pin bottom bracket/cranks, and older single-nipple rims. Those cranks fell apart on smaller riders all the time, and those old tires seemed to spend more time on the truing stand than on the road (especially for riders over 170 lbs).

Have fun out there!
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For the new frame, I'd suggest a Shimano solid square spindle BB (UN52 or 53). For cranks, I'd stay away from cottered cranks just cuz they're hard to find and stick w/ mid to top of the Shimano or Campy line (105 or Veloce and up). Good luck!
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It's a french threaded BB. I know Phil Wood makes french threaded stuff, maybe some other higher end stuff is available too, but finding cheap stuff is probably not an option. There are some threadless BB's, and rethreading is another option.

edit, checked the Phil Wood homepage, says $109 for the BB and $44 for the french-threaded cups.

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Spin more, stomp less?
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Well I'm not worried about getting a french threaded BB. Pretty much everything on my current bike is beaten and bruised, so I'm not worried about breaking more spindles and hurting anything. The owner of my favorite LBS has become a good friend over the last year or so, and he'll put another used spindle in while I wait if I bring him a six pack.

The more I think about it, the more I think I'm going to put a little more time and money into this new frame and make it something really nice, that will last a long time and fun to ride.

I think I might get this: http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...6&category=607

and these:
http://www.spicercycles.com/index.cg...cat_desc=Track

oh and as far as spinning more? As mentioned above, I only ride fixed so it'd physically impossible for me to spin more
however, trackstanding less might help. I tend to force my bike into a stand no matter what the terrain is like, even if it means putting super hard constant pressure on my forward pedal to keep myself from rolling backwards.

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How will that Veloce bb hold up to fg/track use? It's designed more for road use. Maybe you should go with the Campy Pista track hub instead?
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That veloce bb would be fine but it probably won't fit because of the threads being wrong. Basically that leaves you with the phil wood bb. Or get a new spindle and rebuild/overhaul your existing bracket as no one else makes a bb for french threads anymore. Re-threading isn't an option either as the french BB is the largest of them. On the positive side that Phil wood BB will be the last one you ever buy and if memory serves it take cartridge rather than loose bearing so overhaul is a snap when you get to that point.

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How will that Veloce bb hold up to fg/track use? It's designed more for road use. Maybe you should go with the Campy Pista track hub instead?
You're probably right, and I really shouldn't skimp at all. We'll have to see how long I'm willing to save the monies.

The new frame is English threaded for BBs, so I shouldn't have an issue. I looked on Sheldon Brown, and there are options for my french frame, but there are plenty of other things wrong with that frame, so I'd really rather not put a lot of money into it.
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With English threading you have virtually unlimited options, if you are really concerned about about strength you might look at one of this splined types like ISIS or shimano's octa-link. There is a 105 octalink crank on nashbar for 49 bucks i think.
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