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Old 10-12-07, 06:19 PM   #1
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So...how quick will i bust these wheels?

first post here...i'm about 6", 240lbs, been riding all summer and lost a nice bit of weight, a pant size, and a few new notches (smaller) in the belt, and looking forward to a winter of hours a day on the trainer...but lately have had a rash of blowing tires (mostly due to road hazards), and finally last week hit something and blew both tires and bent my rear stock wheels...so i picked these up this week. Bonrager Select Aeros. The mechanic at my local LBS seemed certain these would be strong enough for me, we shall see, i suppose...

(and in the end, this is really an excuse to post my bike )



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Old 10-12-07, 06:26 PM   #2
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There is an employee at the LBS that is bigger than you that has 1500 miles on a set of those. He's the first one to argue the spoke count myth every time someone brings it up.
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Old 10-12-07, 06:26 PM   #3
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Treat them right and you shouldn't really have any issues.
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Old 10-12-07, 09:02 PM   #5
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i suppose i should add that the mechanic in question isnt of the "make the sale and get him out the door" variety, but more of "over explain the engineering and physics aspects of the wheels for a half an hour" variety....i trust his judgement, and that of the shops

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I'll have to say that the quality of Bontrager wheels has improved in the last 2 or 3 years.
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I run those, they are fine. I'm about the same weight.
When you get a bunch of flats, make sure the rim tape didn't spin. That was getting me earlier in the year.
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Old 10-13-07, 04:04 AM   #9
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He's the first one to argue the spoke count myth every time someone brings it up.

Spoke count is a myth?
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I've been running those wheels all summer. Had a few problems early on with the rear, but after the second try at retensioning it (after which I also dropped below 240), they've been 100% problem free for me.

The big plus with these is that I've never popped a spoke- they just loosen up. Even when it happens 40 miles out, 10 minutes with the spoke wrench will get things back in line enough to get me home.
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I am at 235 and have Shimano wheels with a higher spoke count than you have there. I dont know the quality of your wheels, they may be really good. I am replacing mine with deep V velocity wheels for a higher spoke count. Bust a spoke and stuff happens, especially a low spoke count. My .02. I like your bike though...very cool.
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"last week hit something and blew both tires"

what the hell did you hit?

I rode some Eurus wheels for over a year at 300 pounds....they have a low spoke count and did great. It is all about how the wheel is made....
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Spoke count is a myth?
Not entirely, but the old way of thinking (at least 32h for Clydes) doesn't hold true any more. Or, more specifically, they do hold true. Lower count wheels from a few companies have been reported by people on these forums to have held round and true for thousands of miles before needing any adjustments. Advancements in rim, hub and spoke design and materials allow a higher tension than previously attainable with low count wheels making a 24 spoke today just as strong as a 32 or 36 spoke wheel from 10 years ago.
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"last week hit something and blew both tires"

what the hell did you hit?

I rode some Eurus wheels for over a year at 300 pounds....they have a low spoke count and did great. It is all about how the wheel is made....
I think the question should be 'why did he hit it?' If you hit something hard enough to blow both tires, you aren't looking down the road far enough to avoid it. Look down the road! And ride 'lighter'. You shouldn't have your butt planted on the saddle all the time...or at all. Pedaling should let you hover over the bike and take the shock in your legs and arms, Tensen. If you don't learn how to ride lighter, those spiffy wheels won't last a year.
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I had a set of the Race Lights at 335 lbs and they held up to my weight no issues. Since they were not designed for a 135 spacing, I eventually sold them and they are working just fine for the new owner as well.
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Not entirely, but the old way of thinking (at least 32h for Clydes) doesn't hold true any more. Or, more specifically, they do hold true. Lower count wheels from a few companies have been reported by people on these forums to have held round and true for thousands of miles before needing any adjustments. Advancements in rim, hub and spoke design and materials allow a higher tension than previously attainable with low count wheels making a 24 spoke today just as strong as a 32 or 36 spoke wheel from 10 years ago.

Most myths have a hint of truth about them, as does this one.

Take 2 wheels, one with 36 spokes, and one with 16 spokes, these are built by a machine, and never touched by hand until installed, tension is rather low, spoke prep is used to keep the spokes from turning in the nipples, the 36 spoke wheel spreads the forces over several spokes, and they don't bend as much,
the 16 spoke wheel, needs to absorb that lack of tension, on one or two spokes, they bend a fair bit, and
after 100 miles a spoke breaks. The 16 spoke wheel, with low tension, and 1/16th of it's strength gone, doesn't hold up, and tacos, you replace the wheel, because it's cheaper then rebuilding it, and now, you have a new wheel with the same problem, and 150 miles later, you break another spoke ($%#@!*& cheap, $%#@!*& low $%#@!*& spoke count $%#@!*& wheels).

You are recommended to get a new 36 spoke wheel built by a wheel builder, who hand tensions and trues the wheel, and never have another problem, your firmly in the large spoke count camp. In reality if you had the builder rebuild your original 16 spoke wheel with a new rim, and tension and true it properly, then you would also never have another problem. Which is why some people call the large-spoke-count-only fact, and others call it fiction.
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Old 10-13-07, 01:08 PM   #17
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actually, i'm a fairly experienced rider, i rode rigid mountain bikes for years, so i know how to absorb impacts. and 'ride light" I dont know what i hit, I was riding at about 30mph down a slight decline on a lighted highway WITH a bike light, and didnt see what i hit...i even went back later with my backup to find what i hit and didnt see anything...i think it might have been one of those small gas covers...but i dont really know. And believe me, after a recent rash of flats i do little but look look ahead for hazards. this one is just a (expensive) mystery. what really sucked was this was on a quick 'leisure' ride
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you might also consider a 25c tire. You can run them with a little less pressure, I love the Vredstein Fortezza 25c.
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I rode a set just like them for two seasons prob around 2500 miles with out issues outside of a couple of truings. Got a little worried about long term durability on some of the longer rides I have been doing this year and jumped up to 32 Spoke Open Pro's. I'm very easy on equipment though, I prefer to spin than mash and I climb really smoothly. I'm also pretty light on the wheels going across rough stuff and always keep my tires aired up.

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Spoke count is a myth?
A couple others had already hit on this. Basically the myth that a clyde must ride on high spoke count wheels. The LBS preaches the over all strength and quality of a wheel versus spoke count. They have clydes riding low spoke count wheel, but they aren't "cheap" wheels.
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properly built wheels CAN be very strong with low spoke count.

improperly built high-spoke count wheels wont do any good by the way.

and beyond it all, NICE wheels! I was going to buy new wheels, but I just got a truing stand and tension meter and I dont think I'm gonna need new wheels now I was worried about my radial laced front wheel, 28 spokes, but it wasnt very far out of true and only a few spokes were loose.

Now I've gotta learn how to build up a 3 leading/3trailing wheelset
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