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 10-22-07, 01:24 PM #1 kchunks Member Thread Starter   Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Missoula. MT Bikes: 1998 Cannondale F1000 Posts: 38 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) Something interesting from my biochem class According to my biochemistry professor the average 70 kg male has 420,000 kilojoules in energy reserves stored as fat. I am a little over 100 kg (and probably more stout than a "normal" male) so to keep the numbers easy I will say I weigh in at 105 kg which if you multiply 420000*1.5 you get 630,000 kJ. Now, one joule is equal to just over four calories. Seeing as how we're dealing with kilojoules and there are 1000 calories in one Calorie (aka kilocal or what you're used to reading on the nutrition facts) we can easily make that jump that there are just over four kJ in one Calorie. So, if I take 630,000 and divide by 4.184 I end up with 150,574 Calories of fuel reserves of just fat (fat is by far the largest reserve, though). Now, according to my undergrad physiology professor a person needs 100 Calories to run/walk/travel by foot for one mile. So, do I have 1,500 miles in me? Obviously not as a lot of this energy will be used for several other metabolic functions but it is interesting to think about. In case you're curious about the rest of the stats for a 70 kg male- 170 kJ in glucose 2500 kJ in glycogen 100,000 kJ in protein (mostly from muscle) Last edited by kchunks; 10-22-07 at 02:00 PM. Reason: typo
10-22-07, 01:43 PM   #2
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 Originally Posted by kchunks According to my biochemistry professor the average 70 kg male has 420,000 kilojoules in energy reserves stored as fat. I am a little over 100 kg (and probably more stout than a "normal" male) so to keep the numbers easy I will say I weigh in at 105 kg which if you multiply 420000*1.5 you get 630,000 kJ. Now, one joule is equal to just over four calories. Seeing as how we're dealing with kilojoules and there are 1000 calories in one Calorie (aka kilocal or what you're used to reading on the nutrition facts) we can easily make that jump that there are just over four kJ in one Calorie. So, if I take 630,000 and divide by 4.184 I end up with 150,574 Calories of fuel reserves of just fat (fat is by far the largest reserve, though). Now, according to my undergrad physiology professor a person needs 100 Calories to run/walk/travel by foot for one mile. So, do I have 15,000 miles in me? Obviously not as a lot of this energy will be used for several other metabolic functions but it is interesting to think about. In case you're curious about the rest of the stats for a 70 kg male- 170 kJ in glucose 2500 kJ in glycogen 100,000 kJ in protein (mostly from muscle)
Umm are you sure you don't mean 1,500 miles?
Anyway, all of those calcs are approximate, since an increase in mass will cause an increase in Calories burned per mile. Nonetheless interesting calc. I'm glad you posted it.

10-22-07, 01:58 PM   #3
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 Originally Posted by icebike Umm are you sure you don't mean 1,500 miles?
Oops- That is what I meant. I had to edit for a few spelling errors but forgot to look at the numbers.

Yes, those are all approximations because everyone is different. People have different percentage makeups and the you get into different diets and all of the little things that make us unique. As a whole, though, I thought it was interesting.

 10-22-07, 03:16 PM #4 Tom Stormcrowe Out fishing with Annie on his lap, a cigar in one hand and a ginger ale in the other, watching the sunset.     Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: South Florida Bikes: Techna Wheelchair and a Sun EZ 3 Recumbent Trike Posts: 16,128 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) Theoretically, you do, but you will collapse long before finishing it if you were to try it with nothing but hydration support. What would happen is you would cannibalize muscle mass before the fat because muscle is a less efficient storage tissue, and you would at the least suffer severe muscular damage from the attempt as well as very likely liver damage due to glycogen depletion and subsequent low blood sugar and potential coma. Fat takes little O2 and energy to maintain vs muscle taking very large amounts of energy and O2 n form of ATP and glucose and Glycogen. The Body tries to save the most efficient tissue for the last gasp of survival, and fat is the most efficient storage. You would also suffer significant cognitive impairment due to the fact that the brain can ONLY run on glucose. __________________ . “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.”- Fredrick Nietzsche "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals." - Immanuel Kant
 10-22-07, 03:54 PM #5 dschorre Slumberjack   Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bryan, TX Bikes: 2007 Specialized Hardrock Sport Posts: 14 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) If you allow for a 1600 Calorie nutritional daily need (1600 in and 1600 out) for normal daily activities, take in to effect riding 11 miles per day at an average speen of 11 MPH (this will burn 1300 calories) then you can burn 150,000 "extra" or "stored" calories in 115 days. there are arox. 3500 calories in 1 lb of fat. so in that 115 days you would lose .40 lbs of fat per day or 3 lbs per week. plus or minus a few here and there depending on what you start weight, level of exercise tolerence and endurance, whether is was anaerobic or aerobic exercise, hydration, hemiglobin count, male or female, and the last four digits of your great grandpa's social security number plus or minus 2.
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 Originally Posted by dschorre If you allow for a 1600 Calorie nutritional daily need (1600 in and 1600 out) for normal daily activities, take in to effect riding 11 miles per day at an average speen of 11 MPH (this will burn 1300 calories) then you can burn 150,000 "extra" or "stored" calories in 115 days. there are arox. 3500 calories in 1 lb of fat. so in that 115 days you would lose .40 lbs of fat per day or 3 lbs per week. plus or minus a few here and there depending on what you start weight, level of exercise tolerence and endurance, whether is was anaerobic or aerobic exercise, hydration, hemiglobin count, male or female, and the last four digits of your great grandpa's social security number plus or minus 2.
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 10-22-07, 08:12 PM #7 TallSteve Senior Member     Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Murfreesboro, TN Bikes: Cannondale Synapse Posts: 116 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) hmmm....I have no idea what you guys are talking about.
 10-22-07, 08:27 PM #8 Sandwarrior Bent Ryder     Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Aurora Colorado Bikes: Bachetta Agio Posts: 546 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) Not having ever taken a Physiology class, How then do you get the Fat to start burning, if it all comes from your muscle tissue first? I am a bit confused. What is the purpose then, of training and keepng your HR in the "fat Burning" zone. I am going to get my second cup of coffee, and maybe I won't be so confused when I get back
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 Originally Posted by dschorre If you allow for a 1600 Calorie nutritional daily need (1600 in and 1600 out) for normal daily activities, take in to effect riding 11 miles per day at an average speen of 11 MPH (this will burn 1300 calories) then you can burn 150,000 "extra" or "stored" calories in 115 days. there are arox. 3500 calories in 1 lb of fat. so in that 115 days you would lose .40 lbs of fat per day or 3 lbs per week. plus or minus a few here and there depending on what you start weight, level of exercise tolerence and endurance, whether is was anaerobic or aerobic exercise, hydration, hemiglobin count, male or female, and the last four digits of your great grandpa's social security number plus or minus 2.
My Great Grandpa didn't have a social security number, so what happens to me?????

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 10-23-07, 01:19 AM #11 breadbin Senior Member     Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West of Ireland Bikes: Raleigh 531c, Marin Muirwoods, Brodie Romax Posts: 697 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 12 Post(s) I remember I worked out that if for some strange reason I was left on a desert island, I would be ok for 85 days! More or less the same thing.
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 Originally Posted by Sandwarrior Not having ever taken a Physiology class, How then do you get the Fat to start burning, if it all comes from your muscle tissue first? I am a bit confused. What is the purpose then, of training and keepng your HR in the "fat Burning" zone. I am going to get my second cup of coffee, and maybe I won't be so confused when I get back
By supplementing protein to offset the initial protein burn and support your muscle mass. Your metabolism will switch from sugars to protein to fat and once you hit the fat burn is when you start healthy weight loss.

That's the problem with crash diets, by the way.....the weight you do lose is water and muscle and keep the fat
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 10-23-07, 02:58 PM #13 kchunks Member Thread Starter   Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Missoula. MT Bikes: 1998 Cannondale F1000 Posts: 38 Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s) Quoted: 0 Post(s) Wogsterca, you will never not be a clyde not that there is anything wrong with that. (I will always be one, too. But my grandfather had a social security number.) The simple answer is that when needed your body will first burn carbohydrates and then burn fat when there is not enough carbohydrate to use. It uses fat instead of other things by using hormones to signal what the body should do. Fats are pretty much hydrocarbons. Glucose (and carbohydrates) have just as much oxygen in the molecule as the do carbon. That means that they (carbohydrates) are bulkier but require less from the body to turn it into usable energy. Fats, being long hydrocarbon chains, pack together very nicely and are therefore used for long term storage because a lot of molecules can be packed tightly. Also, my same undergrad professor told us that at a certain age your body will no longer generate more fat cells. However, it will just pack more fat into the cells that are already there.
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 Originally Posted by Wogsterca My Great Grandpa didn't have a social security number, so what happens to me?????
In that case, take your social security, add all the digitis together until you get a single digit.

ex. 111-12-1234 = 1+1+1+1+2+1+2+3+4 = 16 = 1+6 = 7 +/- 2

Then you have your grandfater's social security factor

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 Originally Posted by dschorre In that case, take your social security, add all the digitis together until you get a single digit. ex. 111-12-1234 = 1+1+1+1+2+1+2+3+4 = 16 = 1+6 = 7 +/- 2 Then you have your grandfater's social security factor
I'm in Canada, I don't have a social security number either, do have a social insurance number, same formula should work, probably easier to just use the check digit (second from last).... Then again, because SINs are needed so rarely, I can never remember it, I need to replace my SIN card one of these days, it got wrecked in 1986, and I just keep putting off replacing it.