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Old 01-16-08, 03:06 PM   #1
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Bicycle license

I know this is probably not the right place to post this but I hang out here the most. I saw this on the news this morning:
Legislation filed to require bicycle driver's licenses
This bill requires all persons who operate or ride a bicycle on a primary or secondary road to have a bicyclist's license. A nonresident bicyclist is not required to obtain a license. A license is not required to ride on a municipal street or designated bicycle path. A license is also not required to ride a bicycle while participating in a race or event of more than 30 participants where one of the primary activities is riding a bicycle. A person who violates the new requirement is guilty of a simple misdemeanor and must pay a scheduled fine of $10.

At a time when we should be encouraging more bicycling, the legislature is proposing another barrier. What is most troublesome is many cyclists, will just hang up their bikes - adding to traffic congestion, air pollution, and more damage to our roads.

Do we really need to ask our third graders to cough up $10 so they can ride their bikes to school rather than suffer from obesity related health issues?

And they wonder why people are moving out of this state. Hell now I really want out of here.
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I know this is probably not the right place to post this but I hang out here the most. I saw this on the news this morning:
Legislation filed to require bicycle driver's licenses
This bill requires all persons who operate or ride a bicycle on a primary or secondary road to have a bicyclist's license. A nonresident bicyclist is not required to obtain a license. A license is not required to ride on a municipal street or designated bicycle path. A license is also not required to ride a bicycle while participating in a race or event of more than 30 participants where one of the primary activities is riding a bicycle. A person who violates the new requirement is guilty of a simple misdemeanor and must pay a scheduled fine of $10.

At a time when we should be encouraging more bicycling, the legislature is proposing another barrier. What is most troublesome is many cyclists, will just hang up their bikes - adding to traffic congestion, air pollution, and more damage to our roads.

Do we really need to ask our third graders to cough up $10 so they can ride their bikes to school rather than suffer from obesity related health issues?

And they wonder why people are moving out of this state. Hell now I really want out of here.
What state please?
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Iowa. Sorry.
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This is all backlash over that lawsuit from RAGBRAI against one of the counties, there in Iowa. You need to file a constitutional challenge in that it restricts the right to travel.
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I know this is probably not the right place to post this but I hang out here the most. I saw this on the news this morning:
Legislation filed to require bicycle driver's licenses
This bill requires all persons who operate or ride a bicycle on a primary or secondary road to have a bicyclist's license. A nonresident bicyclist is not required to obtain a license. A license is not required to ride on a municipal street or designated bicycle path. A license is also not required to ride a bicycle while participating in a race or event of more than 30 participants where one of the primary activities is riding a bicycle. A person who violates the new requirement is guilty of a simple misdemeanor and must pay a scheduled fine of $10.

At a time when we should be encouraging more bicycling, the legislature is proposing another barrier. What is most troublesome is many cyclists, will just hang up their bikes - adding to traffic congestion, air pollution, and more damage to our roads.

Do we really need to ask our third graders to cough up $10 so they can ride their bikes to school rather than suffer from obesity related health issues?

And they wonder why people are moving out of this state. Hell now I really want out of here.
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Yeah, this is topic that needs discussion in all forums, not just here. As an Iowa resident, a clyde, and avid outdoor enthusist, I want everyone to be on a bike. Personally, in my family, my mother wouldn't ride if it cost her 10 dollars a year. It would be one more excuse to keep her off the bike, and here bike would be relegated to the garage. How many other mothers, fathers, friends and neighbors do we know that would just hang it up if they had to pay 10 bucks a year to ride on public road? Personally, isn't that what I pay taxes for? To have maintenance and repair done to the streets and roads that we drive and ride? Anyway, I'm prolly ranting, so I'm out..............

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Exactly Tom, when you restrict one's right to travel by whatever means, then we are getting into scary territory. My senator may get to know me on a first name basis....lol
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I know this is probably not the right place to post this but I hang out here the most. I saw this on the news this morning:
Legislation filed to require bicycle driver's licenses
This bill requires all persons who operate or ride a bicycle on a primary or secondary road to have a bicyclist's license. A nonresident bicyclist is not required to obtain a license. A license is not required to ride on a municipal street or designated bicycle path. A license is also not required to ride a bicycle while participating in a race or event of more than 30 participants where one of the primary activities is riding a bicycle. A person who violates the new requirement is guilty of a simple misdemeanor and must pay a scheduled fine of $10.
Let me play devils advocate here for a minute.

Licensing a bicycle rider is not entirely a bad thing, although from what you write it looks like a simple tax grab. Here the province (Ontario) has gone the opposite way, in that they now exempt bicycles under $1000 from the Provincial Sales Tax (8%). This has of course meant that a lot of models that were just over $1000 are now selling for $999 to beat the tax.

Now licensing bicyclists is not entirely a bad thing, in that, if implemented properly, it allows police to pull over wrong way cyclists, red light/stop sign runners, sidewalk riders and others poor in cycling skills and deal with those issues appropriately. Making cycling better and safer for the proper cyclists.

Often the best way to do this, is to add it as a rider to a drivers license, so if you have a drivers or motorcyclist's license then you automatically have a bicyclists license too. It would only be those few riders who do not have a drivers license who would require it. A good opportunity for the state is to exempt riders under a certain age, say 10, then add a bicyclists course to the grade 4 physical education program, that issues the participant a (free) license good for 6 years. At the end of the 6 years they can either apply for a drivers license or renew their bicyclists license. A bicyclists license in this case would look exactly like a drivers license but would be a different class.

I am not entirely against a bicycle license plate either, for much the same reasons, plus it would cut down on thefts, because you could not plate a stolen bicycle, and found bicycles could be more easily reunited with their owners by police. A bicycle license plate in this case should be the same size as a motorcycle plate, with a similar mounting position.
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Exactly Tom, when you restrict one's right to travel by whatever means, then we are getting into scary territory. My senator may get to know me on a first name basis....lol
A bike license doesn't restrict one's travel any more than a drivers license restricts car driving. I haven't yet figured out if I'm for or against bike licenses, but after reading the threads in the advocacy forum, I can see there are definitely some positive aspects of licensing.

Also of interest, there are already 2 threads about bikes and licenses in the advocacy forum:
General: Should there be a bicycle class to state drivers license?
Iowa: Iowa Lawmaker proposes law requiring cycling license
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So, pedestrians interact with traffic as well.....

Why not a Joggers license or walkers, while we are at it? A bicycle is human powered.
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Let me play devils advocate here for a minute.

Licensing a bicycle rider is not entirely a bad thing, although from what you write it looks like a simple tax grab. Here the province (Ontario) has gone the opposite way, in that they now exempt bicycles under $1000 from the Provincial Sales Tax (8%). This has of course meant that a lot of models that were just over $1000 are now selling for $999 to beat the tax.

Now licensing bicyclists is not entirely a bad thing, in that, if implemented properly, it allows police to pull over wrong way cyclists, red light/stop sign runners, sidewalk riders and others poor in cycling skills and deal with those issues appropriately. Making cycling better and safer for the proper cyclists.

Often the best way to do this, is to add it as a rider to a drivers license, so if you have a drivers or motorcyclist's license then you automatically have a bicyclists license too. It would only be those few riders who do not have a drivers license who would require it. A good opportunity for the state is to exempt riders under a certain age, say 10, then add a bicyclists course to the grade 4 physical education program, that issues the participant a (free) license good for 6 years. At the end of the 6 years they can either apply for a drivers license or renew their bicyclists license. A bicyclists license in this case would look exactly like a drivers license but would be a different class.

I am not entirely against a bicycle license plate either, for much the same reasons, plus it would cut down on thefts, because you could not plate a stolen bicycle, and found bicycles could be more easily reunited with their owners by police. A bicycle license plate in this case should be the same size as a motorcycle plate, with a similar mounting position.

Here in Iowa we already pay a 5% sales tax and in the loser city of Ames we pay 7%. This tax is payed on money that is already been taxed by the state and the city so they taxes off that dollar twice.

As far as policing bikes go we are already under all the same laws as a car. If I run a red light a cop can pull me over and write me a ticket. In fact the police here will set up sting operations for it. I applaud them as a CDL holder who has faced these guys dashing out in front of a 40,000 lb vehicle with air brakes.

I understand you are playing diablo advocate here but this is just to make money for the state the wrong way. I do not own a car because I am got burned out driving. I choose to ride my bike to get in better shape, protect the environment and to not support terrorist and dictators around the world. My feeling are that I do not owe the state more money. If they want to tax someone tax the soccer dad who drives the 4x4 diesel ford to and from the grocery store. They should pay another $1000 a year for state and federal to go to the fight on the war on terror and repair our roads. My bike does not rip up the roads like they do.

Hell I think we all should get a tax break for what we do.
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Tom, this is being beat to death in A&S, this should be moved and combined over there.

Fortunately for me, South Carolina has had a long sad history with civil rights violations. A tax such as this, and it is a tax, not a licensing, would probably be seen as racist, as it would be used as a means to jail people of color indiscriminately. Every new law in this state gets reviewed as to the civil rights impact, even new no-smoking laws.
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I am in Iowa, and I will look into this and fight it if I can. We already have places in town that we can get ticketed for riding a bicycle on the street, sidewalk or anywhere in our downtown. I don't know when it got passed, but there have been people fined for riding a bicycle legally, but those certain streets it is illegal.
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I am in Iowa, and I will look into this and fight it if I can. We already have places in town that we can get ticketed for riding a bicycle on the street, sidewalk or anywhere in our downtown. I don't know when it got passed, but there have been people fined for riding a bicycle legally, but those certain streets it is illegal.
I am not trying to mislead people here. It has not been passed yet. A senator is talking about introducing it.
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I think I'll let it stand for now......

There is the focus that it's already hard enough to keep motivation going sometimes for us bigger folk, and putting roadblocks in the way just make it harder......

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Tom, this is being beat to death in A&S, this should be moved and combined over there.

Fortunately for me, South Carolina has had a long sad history with civil rights violations. A tax such as this, and it is a tax, not a licensing, would probably be seen as racist, as it would be used as a means to jail people of color indiscriminately. Every new law in this state gets reviewed as to the civil rights impact, even new no-smoking laws.
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Typical over-reactive legislative bulls***. I'm a big-gov Democrat by choice (I ttust strangers in Washington more than I trust my neighbors), but this is just asinine. How you gonna license 25 million elementary school kids.
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Just another step in the Government's plan to replace the funds lost when folks can't afford to drive their cars any more. Look for states to start requiring we register and license our bikes (and roller blades, skate boards, etc.) yearly, and get liability insurance, just like we have to for cars.
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I am not trying to mislead people here. It has not been passed yet. A senator is talking about introducing it.

Who is wanting to introduce this? Can you send me a link or two about it?

You can post it up, or PM it to me, either way is fine!!!
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Can some tell me the differnece between a primary\secondary road and a municiple street? I see them as one and the same. You can't ride on highways or roads without traffice controls such as lights and stop signs I know, or am I missing something
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Thanks for the PM, thaetviking.

I think primary road is a state highway, and the secondary road is the county roads, or some are called county highways. We have Highway 34 and county road 34, which is really new 34 and old 34. The problem is that both of those become a municiple street when they are within city limits. We can ride on anything other than an Interstate system as far as I am aware. I tried digging up information, but the links seem to be dead that show the laws regarding bicycles, in Iowa.
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ah, ok. Yea same here, as long as it has some sort of traffic control, you can ride a bike on it.
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Here in Iowa we already pay a 5% sales tax and in the loser city of Ames we pay 7%. This tax is payed on money that is already been taxed by the state and the city so they taxes off that dollar twice.

As far as policing bikes go we are already under all the same laws as a car. If I run a red light a cop can pull me over and write me a ticket. In fact the police here will set up sting operations for it. I applaud them as a CDL holder who has faced these guys dashing out in front of a 40,000 lb vehicle with air brakes.

I understand you are playing diablo advocate here but this is just to make money for the state the wrong way. I do not own a car because I am got burned out driving. I choose to ride my bike to get in better shape, protect the environment and to not support terrorist and dictators around the world. My feeling are that I do not owe the state more money. If they want to tax someone tax the soccer dad who drives the 4x4 diesel ford to and from the grocery store. They should pay another $1000 a year for state and federal to go to the fight on the war on terror and repair our roads. My bike does not rip up the roads like they do.

Hell I think we all should get a tax break for what we do.
Heck most of those SUVs would be better if they were diesel, some of the gas powered ones spew more pollutants then a city bus at crush load capacity. Don't get me started on the war on terror.

Of course, back on track if the state were interested in preventing cycling accidents, caused by poor cycling habits, they would simply add a requirement to carry valid Government Issued Photo ID when riding, to be made available to police officers upon request. What determines when a police officer can make such a request, is a constitutional matter. They could issue an ID card for folks who do not have other ID, for say $10 every 5 years or so..... As for motor vehicle taxes, simply add a new $3/gallon tax on gasoline.
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The various states already issue a nondrivers ID, administered by the various DMV's or whatever they call the department in a particular state.

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Heck most of those SUVs would be better if they were diesel, some of the gas powered ones spew more pollutants then a city bus at crush load capacity. Don't get me started on the war on terror.

Of course, back on track if the state were interested in preventing cycling accidents, caused by poor cycling habits, they would simply add a requirement to carry valid Government Issued Photo ID when riding, to be made available to police officers upon request. What determines when a police officer can make such a request, is a constitutional matter. They could issue an ID card for folks who do not have other ID, for say $10 every 5 years or so..... As for motor vehicle taxes, simply add a new $3/gallon tax on gasoline.
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ah, ok. Yea same here, as long as it has some sort of traffic control, you can ride a bike on it.
I have seen the 300 year olds driving in Florida, I would probably find a bike path.
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The various states already issue a nondrivers ID, administered by the various DMV's or whatever they call the department in a particular state.
We don't have them in all provinces in Canada, for example Ontario doesn't, but they do have photos on most health cards, so you could use that as government issued ID, a passport is also government issued photo-id, but passports do not have addresses, even though I think they should.

Like I said, if the state is using it for identification purposes to identify those with poor cycling habits, to issue the ticket to the proper individual, there are easier ways to do it, without adding even more crap to carry in a wallet, like the requirement to simply carry ID. Also handy if the the soccer mom in the SUV with makeup case in one hand, and cell phone in the other misses the bright yellow jacket, the bike light and the helmet light, so that police can identify the body more easily. So really it sounds like a tax grab.

Okay, another thing, people who use it as an excuse not to ride, wouldn't anyway. The same people who whine about not wanting to spend the $10 on a bicycle license, would have no trouble finding $5,000 to renew a drivers license if the state made them that price.
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