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    Being a short little 130lbs kid, I don't usually visit the Clyde forum, but I saw this on the main page and was curious. It reminded me of this one little incident when I worked at a bike store.

    During one of the slow days I had to organize the racks of shorts and bibs by size and price. A couple days later a larger gentleman comes in looking at the shorts, so I try to explain how they were organized and said something like "On the left are the cheap ones, going up in size, like here's an (I pull out a random short) Extra Large". He said "Oh, so you jumped right to the extra-large, huh?" with a smile. Later on he was joking around saying stuff like "So where do you stock the moo-moos?"

    So it was a little awkward for everyone, but I think he ended up buying them
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    Fortunately, my town has 2 LBS's. I patronize the 2nd, after being ignored at the 1at.

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    Oh yeah, BTW, my LBS is about an hour away. So it really isn't local, but I do use him for just about everything.
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    I wandered into a clothing store at the mall a few month back, definitely not my kind of shop since I am not into this style of ultra tight hip hugger sort of things one of my kids is wearing. I wasn't 15 feet through the front door before some skinny teenager let me know there was nothing in my size in the shop. I wear 36 - 38 waist pants with a 34 inseam, I ain't small but don't they cut out a large segment of the population with that sort of approach? I resisted to impulse to squash the kid like a bug and found what I was looking for elsewhere. Not surprisingly the store was gone when I was Christmas shopping at the same mall back in Dec.

    I guess thats sort of off topic, but if a bike shop made me feel uncomfortable I would go to a different shop. Lots of choices in town. There is one shop in town that seems to cater to the very high end customer for road and mountain bikes. Although they have never been anything but courteous to me while in the shop, I doubt they had an over sized utility biker in mind when then decided what to carry. Obviously I don't go in there very much even though they are very convenient to where I work.
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    Okay, you see, there are other bike shops around town, in fact the one that I love to go to and have NEVER been treated poorly in doesn't carry gear. I mean, they might have 2 jerseys and 2 pairs of shorts, but this store I went to was like a bike superstore, had lots of clothes and lots of gear and TONS of road bikes. I don't put up with prejudice in my own way, which would be by teaching ignorant people that just because someone is fat, doesn't mean that they're going to be pushed around and walked all over. 3 years ago, I would have walked out, but my confidence levels are much higher now and I don't put up with that anymore. I won't be chased off by ignorant fools, I'll teach them to treat you guys better when you walk in to buy something

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    Another thing to consider (this is the case with my LBS) is that they might only have one or two sizes of a particular item, but they can usually get it within a couple days. Doesn't really make sense to have 5 sizes of every garment with space considerations and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcart1991 View Post
    Another thing to consider (this is the case with my LBS) is that they might only have one or two sizes of a particular item, but they can usually get it within a couple days. Doesn't really make sense to have 5 sizes of every garment with space considerations and all.
    Although when you go into a store and they have 40 of every garment, in size XS and 30 in size S you kinda wonder if they wouldn't do better by having fewer of each size, but more sizes available...... Say your the LBS and ordering bike shorts, and there are 5 different styles from the same manufacturer, you order different styles in different sizes, so style 1 you get in sizes XS and S, style 2 you get in S and M, style 3 you get in M and L, style 4 you get in L and XL, style 5 you get in XL and 2XL. We all know that Louis Garneau and Sugoi have completely different ideas of what L means......

    If the person ordering has a brain, then they don't need to do it very long before they know what sizes sell and what sizes don't. Really though, why is it the guy who is size S can get whatever he wants in one trip, but the guy who is size L or larger needs to make 2 trips, every single time, that's size discrimination!

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    I think crappy service and employees with attitude problems is pretty much the standard operating model any more. I get it from McDonald's to the Doctors' Offices and everywhere in between.

    I don't really chalk it up to my weight. While I am hard to fit at 6', 215 lbs with a 50" chest, 36" waist, and 32" inseam; well, let's just say suits off the rack don't work and the typical "XL" jersey is a joke.

    The only general bias I think I see is that if you aren't a body/style double for the service person (e.g. spiked pink hair, eleventeen piercings and a tattoo) you're gonna get the bums rush from the hired help.

    The little blue haired ladies at the sewing machine shop are the worst.

    The best reaction I ever got from correcting "the help" was at an Optometrists office. An hour and a half past my scheduled appointment time (I took off work early to arrive 15 minutes before my scheduled time) I walked up to the snotty receptionist, told her to take my name off the waiting list and that she and her boss were fired for making me wait at least 45 minutes for my last 3 scheduled appointments.

    The staff of 4 or 5 and the packed waiting room froze in complete shock. They had apparently never seen or heard of a "patient" firing the whole lot for piss-poor performance.

    I always start out courteous and respectful, but if I'm paying the bill, I do not suffer fools gladly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bfromcolo View Post
    I wandered into a clothing store at the mall a few month back, definitely not my kind of shop since I am not into this style of ultra tight hip hugger sort of things one of my kids is wearing. I wasn't 15 feet through the front door before some skinny teenager let me know there was nothing in my size in the shop. I wear 36 - 38 waist pants with a 34 inseam, I ain't small but don't they cut out a large segment of the population with that sort of approach?
    I hear ya. I'm 6'3", 220, 35-36 inch waist, 34" inseam and I wear a 44L in a sport coat with a 37" sleeve.

    It's rare that I fit into anything off-the-rack. On the other hand, I don't really find anything that fits (or that I like for that matter) in Big&Tall.

    As a consequence I have a few go-to brands/stores. I end up buying a lot of shirts from Wrangler (thank god western shirts are kind of in style these days and they only cost about $20) at places like fleet farm and tractor supply. if I need something dressier, Eddie Bauer usually has a L/T that fits me like a glove. I have to roll the sleeves up on everything else I buy because they are just too short for me. Jeans are much easier to find but, even so, I've noticed that the larger/longer sizes tend to disappear much faster.

    It's the same thing with bike clothes. I'd like to patronize the LBS but the larger sizes in their nicer clothing are gone. I can usually find low-end shorts because I wear a large, but 99 times out of 100 they don't have a single jersey that will fit across my chest or is long enough for my torso. Most times they don't want to order me anything without a full deposit.

    Having worked in a bike store, I know that the other problem is that manufacturers sometimes just don't make larger bike clothes because they think it's not profitable. But of course if the LBS is not ordering the stuff and the consumer can't try it on and buy it, it becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy. The point is that if you carry brands X, Y and Z, it's likely that none of them make a jersey my size, let alone for someone taller or bigger.

    Don't even get me started on women's cycling clothing.

    This isn't going to change any time soon, so I think the message is to buy off the internet from companies like Voler and Aerotech that make good stuff for larger folks, have good customer service and a generous return policy. If you can find a few other brands that fit well, you're all set. I personally really like Nalini jerseys which you can find at a fair price from time to time.

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    I went into the LBS and said I wanted to try some road bikes out and they snickered and said maybe you should look into getting a breezy ( I think that's what they are called ). I said yea, maybe your right. Anyhow I went into That same LBS this past week and they said did you find a bike. I said yes, I bought a Specialized Roubaix, carbon bike. You should have seen there face's. I guess old guy's can buy road bikes as well as young one's. Oh, I'm 67 and I do love riding. Maybe they learned something, maybe not, but when they get off there high horse and treat people the way they would like to be treated, they may find life a little easier. I just keep telling myself and sometime them, you need me a lot more than I need you.
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    There are a lot of clothing stores I don't even bother entering since they don't have plus sizes. But I can't stand most of the plus sized stores in Toronto because the quality of the clothes are crummy, the prices high (even accounting for the extra material and time), and generally look like muu muus (even if it's a pair of dress pants). So, I order all of my clothes by mail order, typically Lands End, Terry's, Junonia, and LL Bean. The quality is high and the prices are reasonable.

    That said, when I started looking for a bike I was incredibly apprehensive. Most stores didn't bother to look at me twice and barely paid enough attention to me to answer even my first question. I was glad when I visited my LBS (Urbane Cyclist in Toronto) because the people were friendly and positive. I tried out quite a few bikes until I found my bike and they happily upgraded the rims and set it up for me. I suggest it to all of my friends and always take my bike there for any servicing.

    When I look for a road bike I'll go there and get it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by George View Post
    I went into the LBS and said I wanted to try some road bikes out and they snickered and said maybe you should look into getting a breezy ( I think that's what they are called ). I said yea, maybe your right. Anyhow I went into That same LBS this past week and they said did you find a bike. I said yes, I bought a Specialized Roubaix, carbon bike. You should have seen there face's. I guess old guy's can buy road bikes as well as young one's. Oh, I'm 67 and I do love riding. Maybe they learned something, maybe not, but when they get off there high horse and treat people the way they would like to be treated, they may find life a little easier. I just keep telling myself and sometime them, you need me a lot more than I need you.

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    I haven't found a LBS in Orange County which carries anything over a XL. Not a specialty store nor a big box like Sports Authority. What, fat people don't wanna get healthy? And then you wonder why you're losing business to the virtual stores.

    And where did clothes manufacturers get the damnfool notion that all plus-sized women have big tits?
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    "Ha, how the snooty people turn when they realize that fat people have feelings too. "

    More likely, how they turn when they realize fat people have money, too!

    As to Richardson Bike Mart- I was in the White Rock store one time, bunch of fit-looking customers in there, and no one even said hello to me, as they were all busy taking care of "real" customers. But I went to the Richardson store a while back, and I think about 6 different people asked me if they could help me before I got out of there. I hadn't thought about the contrast between the two.

    I have discovered in the past that if you walk into a nice store (like a department store) wearing really grungy worked-on-the-car type clothes, they're always quick to jump in and offer their assistance. Dress nice and you get ignored, though.
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    While we're griping about clothes...

    Mens jeans. Does any company make a pair for guys with a cyclist's build (i.e. actually has a butt)?
    If they fit in the waist, they're too tight across the seat and quads. If they fit the quads and seat, they're huge on my waist, or they're some goofy raver-kid pants with 30" leg holes.
    Levi's 550s used to fit, and now they're cut differently.
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    I asked my LBS when they planned to get some jerseys for someone other than stick people. He laughed and order me one no charge and gave it to me as a Christmas gift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
    While we're griping about clothes...

    Mens jeans. Does any company make a pair for guys with a cyclist's build (i.e. actually has a butt)?
    If they fit in the waist, they're too tight across the seat and quads. If they fit the quads and seat, they're huge on my waist, or they're some goofy raver-kid pants with 30" leg holes.
    Levi's 550s used to fit, and now they're cut differently.
    A tailer is your friend. I have not butt and have to have all my pants altered. Sometimes the altering cost more than the pants, but they fit and look much better.
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    When I was looking for a bike, one shop guy told me to come back when I was serious. Since then I've done about 30 centuries, 40,000 miles and spent $12,000 on bikes. He's gone out of business and I'm still trying to get serious!

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    Tailor!

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    I have similar problems, Big quads, but no butt. A belt is my friend.

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    A tailer is your friend. I have not butt and have to have all my pants altered. Sometimes the altering cost more than the pants, but they fit and look much better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxgtr View Post
    A tailer is your friend. I have not butt and have to have all my pants altered. Sometimes the altering cost more than the pants, but they fit and look much better.
    Might want to check with the tailor first, you might be surprised to find a pair of custom pants are cheaper then a major altering job, after all your not paying for work to undo work you paid for, just to redo it again.....

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    Tailor!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
    While we're griping about clothes...

    Mens jeans. Does any company make a pair for guys with a cyclist's build (i.e. actually has a butt)?
    If they fit in the waist, they're too tight across the seat and quads. If they fit the quads and seat, they're huge on my waist, or they're some goofy raver-kid pants with 30" leg holes.
    Levi's 550s used to fit, and now they're cut differently.
    The 550s are junk. I wear the 569s because they have a roomier leg without being baggy. They also make 569 corduroys that are nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
    Might want to check with the tailor first, you might be surprised to find a pair of custom pants are cheaper then a major altering job, after all your not paying for work to undo work you paid for, just to redo it again.....
    Been there too. I have a couple pair, but since I have been losing weight, it wasn't money wise at the time. Once I hit my goal weight, that is probably what I will do.
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    Ack my thread has been turned into a mens jeans thread! hehe

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