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    Hope you're feeling better soon.
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    Everybody, thanks for the kind words!

    Woke up at 5:30 this AM, and I feel pretty good. Unexpectedly, I have no worse pain in the arm and shoulder. And no bruising has shown up. I hope it stays this way, although tomorrow AM could be different.

    New bike: I've narrowed it down to the Surly Long Haul Trucker and the Trek 520. Both are bikes with good reputations. I'll bring this to the touring and commuting forums in a bit, but anyone here ride of these? Let's get the Clyde perspective going on touring bikes.
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    LHT, all the way.......


    36 spoke touring rims, definitely.
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    I rode both yesterday before plopping the cash down on the LHT. The 520 is one nice ride, and it feels really good. The components are nice and it comes with a nice set of Trek racks (or at least the one I rode did). Only downside is the price premium, which was in the neighborhood of $300 over the LHT, oh and the gearing seemed to be roadie-ish. That being said, what a great ride.

    Now why I chose the LHT. First, wheels. The wheelset is high end toughness, Alex touring rims with XT hubs and 36 spokes. Second, components. The one I'm buying is an 08 and it has the new XT rear der smong other things. I think the LHT actually has a leg up on the 520 in components, but that's opinon on the mt/road component mix of the lht vs the mostly road components of the 520.

    Finally, the LHT just bleeds versatility. The thing has three bottle holders, spare spoke holders, wide stays and forks for big tires (the guys at the LBS tell me you can fit 29x1.95 MTB tires on a LHT) and countless braze-ons. For me, I wanted to buy one bike that could do it all, and do it good - the LHT was my choice.

    I suggest riding both and seeing how they feel to you. Surly has stock in all sizes and colors of the LHT currently so any LBS should be able to get one for you. List price is $985 and that's what I paid for mine as it was a special order, but they were awesome enough to throw in a ton of cash in free accessories. Good luck, they're bothe excellent choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
    Everybody, thanks for the kind words!

    Woke up at 5:30 this AM, and I feel pretty good. Unexpectedly, I have no worse pain in the arm and shoulder. And no bruising has shown up. I hope it stays this way, although tomorrow AM could be different.

    New bike: I've narrowed it down to the Surly Long Haul Trucker and the Trek 520. Both are bikes with good reputations. I'll bring this to the touring and commuting forums in a bit, but anyone here ride of these? Let's get the Clyde perspective going on touring bikes.
    Aren't the 1000 threads on the subject of LHT vs 520 in the Touring forum enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
    Everybody, thanks for the kind words!

    Woke up at 5:30 this AM, and I feel pretty good. Unexpectedly, I have no worse pain in the arm and shoulder. And no bruising has shown up. I hope it stays this way, although tomorrow AM could be different.

    New bike: I've narrowed it down to the Surly Long Haul Trucker and the Trek 520. Both are bikes with good reputations. I'll bring this to the touring and commuting forums in a bit, but anyone here ride of these? Let's get the Clyde perspective going on touring bikes.
    Not to muddy the water, but have you considered REI's touring bikes?

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    Congrats on getting through the incident relatively unscathed Neil!

    Based on my reading in the frum I am sure you will be happy with whatever touring bike you get to replace your former steed.

    Best wishes on a speedy recovery for your minor injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    Not to muddy the water, but have you considered REI's touring bikes?
    There's no REI in my area, otherwise that would be on my list. There are a few Surly dealers in NJ, I'll give them a shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
    The hospital is planning on billing their insurance company. As to replacing the bike... well, it was 20 years old, so if I get a few hundred I'll be lucky. I'll get reimbursed for what I can, and get the helmet replaced, of course. (That will be my third helmet this year.)
    Just posted this in another thread ..... Insurance and Bike-car Collisions

    Just had a conversation with my wife the “Claims Adjuster”. In most all states the insurance company is required to repair or replace up to the fair market value of the bike. The trick is in determining the fair value for the bike, which does require doing your research. The key is to document what a bike with comparable equipment and in similar condition would cost. Like cars, age alone does not automatically make a bike worth less some bikes that are restored or in excellent condition can go for thousands of dollars. In the end it is a negotiation with the insurance company as to the value of the bike.
    It sounds like the insurance company is already picking up the ER bills so that is a good thing. Based on the description of the ER visit in the other thread there were some injuries which even minor involve some pain and suffering which deserves fair and reasonable compensation. As with the bike value, pain and suffering is a negotiation. The bottom line is the driver is responsible for making sure he is (you are) compensated for all damages as if the accident never happened.


    edit for this post... As for getting a lawyer I would not bother, contrary to popular belief as depicted in over hyped media accounts and lawyers advertising you still are only entitled to fair and reasonable compensation of your loss. So keep that in mind when you decide about a lawyer, you will end up giving them about a 1/3 of the settlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    LHT, all the way.......


    36 spoke touring rims, definitely.

    I agree on the LHT...an absolutely perfect touring bike.

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    Glad to hear you're not hurt too bad. Hope you find a replacement for your bike that you will like as much as the one that was damaged.

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    I'm glad to hear that your alright, I got a Mojave in a medium frame that you could borrow for the tour if you don't have a bike by then. I'm 5'8'', it should fit you. PM me if you would like some information on it.

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    Now comes the fun part... finding a Surly LHT to test-ride. There are no dealers in NJ I can find that stock them. Not too much of a surprise, it is a touring bike. Nothing wrong with getting the Trek 520, but I hate to think I might be missing out on something here because I'm in a rush.

    Arrgh! Anyone here in NJ ride an LHT?
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    Thanks for posting your pics. Sorry to har about the death of your mounth . But on the flip sode you answered a big question i had.. Can you ride long distances ona flat bar. I guess that answer is yes !
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    Quote Originally Posted by st0ut View Post
    Thanks for posting your pics. Sorry to har about the death of your mounth . But on the flip sode you answered a big question i had.. Can you ride long distances ona flat bar. I guess that answer is yes !
    Oh, yes, you can indeed. However, I started using barends for the last few thousand miles on the bike, and they help enormously. There are a couple of pics of the bike earlier in the thread, but this one shows the barends I used for the longest.


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    Thanks for posting your pics. Sorry to har about the death of your mounth . But on the flip sode you answered a big question i had.. Can you ride long distances ona flat bar. I guess that answer is yes !
    I've ridden a century on a flat bar bike, and without bar ends. Don't buy the hype the dropped bar brigade in this forum gives you.

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    Now comes the fun part... finding a Surly LHT to test-ride. There are no dealers in NJ I can find that stock them. Not too much of a surprise, it is a touring bike. Nothing wrong with getting the Trek 520, but I hate to think I might be missing out on something here because I'm in a rush.
    Then why be in a rush? Borrow a bike for the tour and get the bike you WANT afterwards.

    Also, while the LHT is no doubt an excellent bike, I'm suspicious of the amount of attention it regularly receives here on Bike Forums, in particular the LHT For- err, the Touring Forum. It seems a shame to buy a bike merely because everyone is talking about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    Then why be in a rush? Borrow a bike for the tour and get the bike you WANT afterwards.

    Also, while the LHT is no doubt an excellent bike, I'm suspicious of the amount of attention it regularly receives here on Bike Forums, in particular the LHT For- err, the Touring Forum. It seems a shame to buy a bike merely because everyone is talking about it.
    I can see where you're coming from. However, the touring forum is full of good folks whose advice I trust. (Maybe a few other forums as well, but I digress.) It's also a shame to buy a bike because it's made by the Microsoft of the biking world, aka Trek.

    Seems to me people who buy Treks are just following the herd. Moooo! Of course, Trek makes a good product and actually cares abut their customers, and at this point the analogy breaks down. Perhaps they're more the Borg or the Ben and Jerry's of bikes.
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    I can see where you're coming from. However, the touring forum is full of good folks whose advice I trust.
    Supposedly you don't like to argue in public.

    I don't want to see you rush into a purchase. That's all.

    As for the touring forum, there's a lot of good advice, and far too much emphasis placed on certain bikes, the LHT being the most overhyped and the Windsor Tourist being the most disparaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
    I can see where you're coming from. However, the touring forum is full of good folks whose advice I trust. (Maybe a few other forums as well, but I digress.) It's also a shame to buy a bike because it's made by the Microsoft of the biking world, aka Trek.
    I am glad to you read you are feeling good, and so sorry for the lost of your trusty ride.

    The Surly does appear to be a frame set prepared for touring.

    I have been checking bikes for this purpose as well, and found the Specialized Globe series another option at lower price range. Being Clyde, I must look for functional strength as well.

    I was introduced to a wide selection of this model during recent business trip in Madison, WI, and when I returned home, a visit to LBS found none in stock, however conversation with head wrencher, (never hinting I was looking at this model), he thought for the money, the Globe line was a very good offering and he hoped owners (LBS) would bring a view more in on next order, as they were usually first models out the door, bought by commuters.

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    I am glad to you read you are feeling good, and so sorry for the lost of your trusty ride.

    The Surly does appear to be a frame set prepared for touring.

    I have been checking bikes for this purpose as well, and found the Specialized Globe series another option at lower price range. Being Clyde, I must look for functional strength as well.

    I was introduced to a wide selection of this model during recent business trip in Madison, WI, and when I returned home, a visit to LBS found none in stock, however conversation with head wrencher, (never hinting I was looking at this model), he thought for the money, the Globe line was a very good offering and he hoped owners (LBS) would bring a view more in on next order, as they were usually first models out the door, bought by commuters.
    The Specialized Globe looks like it matches the specs that lead John Schubert in Adventure Cyclist to choose the Trek 7.2 fx as his 'budget tourer' in the latest Buyer's Guide:

    - no suspension steel fork;
    - brazons for front and rear racks;
    - 35cm tires
    - wheels with spokes that can be repaired on the road

    IIRC, someone on the Touring Forum set up his Globe for short tours. I don't recall who, or when he posted, but it might be worth searching for.

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    I test rode the LHT and 520 a little while ago when I was shopping for a touring bike. This may have been because of bigger tires but the LHT felt a bit more sluggish and didn't fit me as well as the 520 (although you probably won't have the fit problem). The LHT and 520 are both great bikes with solid reputations. If I were you I would test ride whatever you can get your hands on for as long as you can and see what feels best, then buy it. I'm not sure what frame size you take but you may be on a 26" wheel for the LHT which would probably feel a bit more similar to your mountain bike (plus you wouldn't need new tubes etc... for the new bike). If you're touring regularly or just doing loaded riding on a regular basis you may also want to swap out the crank set on the 520 for something with lower gearing as it comes stock with a road crank set which I believe you can only get a 30 tooth ring on.

    Also re: Surly they're sold by Quality Bicycle which is probably the biggest distributor of bike parts in the U.S. they sell to almost all shops so almost all shops could order an LHT for you but not too many shops actually stock them.
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    Neil F - You shouldn't have problems finding dealers with stock of LHT's these days, as QBP/Surly FINALLY has decent stock of all sizes/colors. If you CAN'T find one to test ride, the interesting thing is that the sizing seems to run pretty similar to the Trek FX, Pilot and 520's. I rode a 57cm Trek FX and it was a hard choice between the 56 and 58 LHT, in the end I chose the 58 because while the standover was (much) less than my FX, the fit was perfect.

    Someone mentioned the Globe series, and I second that. The Globe series are another very nice bike, I personally am a huge fan of the internally geared Globe and Globe City. In fact, if I can ever get my wife to stop jogging and try a bicycle (and like it!) I'm planning on getting her either a Globe city 7 or a women's Hardrock (Surprised? ). The "tricross" cross-bike is also awesome, but aluminum. The ride is much stiffer than the steel LHT or 520, but MAN is it fast. I was very tempted as well, but after adding 36h Deep-V's and other things it would have pushed it waaay out of my budget.

    And the LHT's reputation is well earned. After seeing one in person, you'll understand, it's a heck of a value for the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by neilfein View Post
    I can see where you're coming from. However, the touring forum is full of good folks whose advice I trust. (Maybe a few other forums as well, but I digress.) It's also a shame to buy a bike because it's made by the Microsoft of the biking world, aka Trek.

    Seems to me people who buy Treks are just following the herd. Moooo! Of course, Trek makes a good product and actually cares abut their customers, and at this point the analogy breaks down. Perhaps they're more the Borg or the Ben and Jerry's of bikes.
    Trek is not the Microsoft of the biking world, not even close, for several reasons:

    * Trek, while fairly big in the US, is small in Canada and a few other countries, very small in a bunch of others and non-existent every where else. Microsoft is dominant just about everywhere (although that is changing).
    * Trek needs to compete with about 50 other companies, even in the US, some being almost if not the same size, Microsoft has 3-4 competitors and they are all much much smaller.
    * Trek bikes are actually pretty good, now take Microsoft Vista, somebody please take Vista and put it out of it's misery, (Before I upgraded to Ubuntu (Linux) I kept wanting to do this ->.. )

    As for the Surly, remember it started out as just a frame and fork, and the dealer built it up, making for a semi-custom bike, meaning you could get any components you wanted on it. While you can get one that is built up by the factory now, I expect that they determined what components to use through what people were commonly building them up with, rather then what the factory could get lots of, cheap.

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