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neilfein 05-10-08 03:43 PM

This ride was not boring
 
I was riding west on Route 27 towards Kingston, and suddenly heard the rear tire blow out. As it happens, I'm right across the street from a service station that was so kind to fill up a slow leak for me in the past.

After changing the tube, I got the wheel back on the bike and saw a rip in the sidewall; the tube was bulging out just enough that I knew it wouldn't last all that long. I called my wife and asked her to pick me up and started riding home.

About 4 miles later, a car made a left out of oncoming traffic in front of me. Traffic was pretty packed and moving slowly, and I didn't have nearly enough time to stop.

I ended up half-sprawled on the hood of the car, my feet just barely off the ground. I was able to stand and pull my bike out the van's wheel well; I wave them of to the parking lot.

What followed was pretty standard for these things; after everybody calmed down, the couple was obviously concerned about me. Aside from a few contusions on my face, I felt fine for the most part. Adrenaline and all, I assume.

Martha drove up a few minutes later, expecting to see a bike with a tire about to blow out. My front fork was twisted beyond repair as well as the front rim.

At the Robert Wood Johnson ER, they gave me meds for my achy shoulder and upper arm, telling me I didn't look like I had a concussion. The nurse on duty was funny!

My LBS agreed with my assumption that the frame is toast.

What worries me about this - aside from the obvious of my bodily integrity and the mangled bike - is the Pittsburgh to DC tour in three weeks. Will I be in shape to ride? Will I have a bike at that point? Um.

Neil has offered his Navigator for the trip, which may be an option, but it is a heavy bike. (Of course, so was my mountain bike.)

Neil_B 05-10-08 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilfein (Post 6671207)
I was riding west on Route 27 towards Kingston, and suddenly heard the rear tire blow out. As it happens, I'm right across the street from a service station that was so kind to fill up a slow leak for me in the past.

After changing the tube, I got the wheel back on the bike and saw a rip in the sidewall; the tube was bulging out just enough that I knew it wouldn't last all that long. I called my wife and asked her to pick me up and started riding home.

About 4 miles later, a car made a left out of oncoming traffic in front of me. Traffic was pretty packed and moving slowly, and I didn't have nearly enough time to stop.

I ended up half-sprawled on the hood of the car, my feet just barely off the ground. I was able to stand and pull my bike out the van's wheel well; I wave them of to the parking lot.

What followed was pretty standard for these things; after everybody calmed down, the couple was obviously concerned about me. Aside from a few contusions on my face, I felt fine for the most part. Adrenaline and all, I assume.

Martha drove up a few minutes later, expecting to see a bike with a tire about to blow out. My front fork was twisted beyond repair as well as the front rim.

At the Robert Wood Johnson ER, they gave me meds for my achy shoulder and upper arm, telling me I didn't look like I had a concussion. The nurse on duty was funny!

My LBS agreed with my assumption that the frame is toast.

What worries me about this - aside from the obvious of my bodily integrity and the mangled bike - is the Pittsburgh to DC tour in three weeks. Will I be in shape to ride? Will I have a bike at that point? Um.

Neil has offered his Navigator for the trip, which may be an option, but it is a heavy bike. (Of course, so was my mountain bike.)

Neils on Wheels rides, including Neil on Wheels rides, are always interesting. Few, however, are as interesting as Neil F.'s latest little adventure. I do wish he could be as boring as me.

Tom Stormcrowe 05-10-08 04:05 PM

I think you'll be fine, NeilF. If there's no concussion, then the worst you'll be is a bit stiff and sore for a few days. I'm seriously glad you got off as light as you did. Flip side, be sure to get a new bike out of the deal, as their Insurance will cover it, as well as your medical.

jagraham 05-10-08 04:07 PM

Neil - what size bike do you ride?

Judy

Neil_B 05-10-08 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilfein (Post 6671207)
I was riding west on Route 27 towards Kingston, and suddenly heard the rear tire blow out. As it happens, I'm right across the street from a service station that was so kind to fill up a slow leak for me in the past.

After changing the tube, I got the wheel back on the bike and saw a rip in the sidewall; the tube was bulging out just enough that I knew it wouldn't last all that long. I called my wife and asked her to pick me up and started riding home.

About 4 miles later, a car made a left out of oncoming traffic in front of me. Traffic was pretty packed and moving slowly, and I didn't have nearly enough time to stop.

I ended up half-sprawled on the hood of the car, my feet just barely off the ground. I was able to stand and pull my bike out the van's wheel well; I wave them of to the parking lot.

What followed was pretty standard for these things; after everybody calmed down, the couple was obviously concerned about me. Aside from a few contusions on my face, I felt fine for the most part. Adrenaline and all, I assume.

Martha drove up a few minutes later, expecting to see a bike with a tire about to blow out. My front fork was twisted beyond repair as well as the front rim.

At the Robert Wood Johnson ER, they gave me meds for my achy shoulder and upper arm, telling me I didn't look like I had a concussion. The nurse on duty was funny!

My LBS agreed with my assumption that the frame is toast.

What worries me about this - aside from the obvious of my bodily integrity and the mangled bike - is the Pittsburgh to DC tour in three weeks. Will I be in shape to ride? Will I have a bike at that point? Um.

Neil has offered his Navigator for the trip, which may be an option, but it is a heavy bike. (Of course, so was my mountain bike.)

We did indeed discuss transferring Excelsior to Neil F., although my offer was for an indefinite period of time, not just the tour. Ex has an 18 inch frame, and the saddle and handlebars/stem can be adjusted to close to Neil's height. The bike is set up for touring. However, it will probably still be a bit large for my buddy, as it was sized for a 6' 1" fellow with a 30/31 inseam, and Neil F. is about 5' 7".

Other options Neil F. has are:

- buying a new bike, of course. A dedicated touring bike is an option, although there's nothing wrong with touring on a MTB, and he could use his Tubus racks from the old bike. Also, commuting on a 1200 dollar Trek 520 seems a bit of overkill - do you want to lock such a beast up at a New Jersey Transit station for 9 hours a day?

The budget touring bike choice, according to John Schubert in Adventure Cyclist this month. is the Trek 7.2 fx. That, or a like bike from another manufacturer, would be my suggestion. Since Neil F. never listens to me, I'll not make it. : D

- buying a secondhand MTB and transferring his racks to that.

- buying a MTB frame, fork, and front wheel and transferring the parts from the old bike to the new build.

neilfein 05-10-08 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jagraham (Post 6671297)
Neil - what size bike do you ride?

Judy

Going by measuring my inside leg length, I'd take around a 29" frame.

neilfein 05-10-08 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe (Post 6671291)
I think you'll be fine, NeilF. If there's no concussion, then the worst you'll be is a bit stiff and sore for a few days. I'm seriously glad you got off as light as you did. Flip side, be sure to get a new bike out of the deal, as their Insurance will cover it, as well as your medical.

The hospital is planning on billing their insurance company. As to replacing the bike... well, it was 20 years old, so if I get a few hundred I'll be lucky. I'll get reimbursed for what I can, and get the helmet replaced, of course. (That will be my third helmet this year.)

Neil_B 05-10-08 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilfein (Post 6671363)
Going by measuring my inside leg length, I'd take around a 29" frame.

That's not a frame size, Neil. According to the site below, you would need a 19 inch frame in a road, road/hybrid, or touring bike. Of course, other factors could steer you to a 20 or an 18.

http://www.totalbike.com/service/frame_size.php

neilfein 05-10-08 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Historian (Post 6671318)
buying a new bike, of course. A dedicated touring bike is an option, although there's nothing wrong with touring on a MTB, and he could use his Tubus racks from the old bike. Also, commuting on a 1200 dollar Trek 520 seems a bit of overkill - do you want to lock such a beast up at a New Jersey Transit station for 9 hours a day?

I'm still planning on getting the folding bike, although which one I get will probably change as a result of this. More in this thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Historian (Post 6671318)
The budget touring bike choice, according to John Schubert in Adventure Cyclist this month. is the Trek 7.2 fx. That, or a like bike from another manufacturer, would be my suggestion. Since Neil F. never listens to me, I'll not make it. : D

I'm looking at the Treks. Good value for the money.

Tom Stormcrowe 05-10-08 04:36 PM

Better a third helmet than skull fractures, though. ;)

It's still a great excuse for a new bike.....

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilfein (Post 6671369)
The hospital is planning on billing their insurance company. As to replacing the bike... well, it was 20 years old, so if I get a few hundred I'll be lucky. I'll get reimbursed for what I can, and get the helmet replaced, of course. (That will be my third helmet this year.)


Neil_B 05-10-08 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neilfein (Post 6671369)
The hospital is planning on billing their insurance company. As to replacing the bike... well, it was 20 years old, so if I get a few hundred I'll be lucky. I'll get reimbursed for what I can, and get the helmet replaced, of course. (That will be my third helmet this year.)

Bikes don't have a "Blue Book", and it was your primary means of transportation. You might get more than you think.

Marylandnewbie 05-10-08 04:41 PM

NeilF glad to hear you made it with seemingly only minor injuries. It sounds like you're already exploring some good bike options. Both the Fuji Touring and the Surly LHT can be had for around $1K if you want a dedicated tourer, but there are many other good choices out there. Just glad to hear you're in one piece. Enjoy the tour on whatever bike you pick-up.

vXhanz 05-10-08 05:12 PM

Glad to hear you're relatively "ok" dude.

V

Mazama 05-10-08 05:55 PM

Lets put the bike and the ride aside. Thank your lucky stars you are alive. Put your life in perspective, not some ride.

Neil_B 05-10-08 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mazama (Post 6671680)
Lets put the bike and the ride aside. Thank your lucky stars you are alive. Put your life in perspective, not some ride.

I think the ride means a lot to Neil. Also, he was very low-key about the whole accident when he spoke with me. Far more calm, in fact, than I was when he told me about it. I guess when you have had an epileptic seizure while riding in traffic, little else can faze you. :rolleyes:

freemti 05-10-08 06:27 PM

Neil F. you're welcome to use Sparky if you want, it is just sitting there looking forelorn nowadays while I ride Verdant full time. I did ride Sparky when it was raining since it had had fenders, I also rode it when I needed to tote something heavy to work. However I've moved both the fenders and the rack to Verdant for my upcoming tour de Pennsylvania. Its a 52 cm if I recall correctly, its too small for me really so it might fit you if you put a regular seatpost on it (I have a whacky extreme set back model)

You and Neil would be a team then, both riding Red Trek 7.x FX's. You however, would totally outclass Neil B. with Sparky being a 7.6 FX -vs- his 7.5.

You'd have to swap the Crankset since the 7.6 is a compact double model. Hmmmm, that might be a problem, but a triple crankset compatible with an FX should be cheap and easy to find and put on.

Just a thought.....

epcolt 05-10-08 06:33 PM

Get yourself straightened out first, then worry about a bike. Take it easy a few days.

Neil_B 05-10-08 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemti (Post 6671817)
Neil F. you're welcome to use Sparky if you want, it is just sitting there looking forelorn nowadays while I ride Verdant full time. I did ride Sparky when it was raining since it had had fenders, I also rode it when I needed to tote something heavy to work. However I've moved both the fenders and the rack to Verdant for my upcoming tour de Pennsylvania. Its a 52 cm if I recall correctly, its too small for me really so it might fit you if you put a regular seatpost on it (I have a whacky extreme set back model)

You and Neil would be a team then, both riding Red Trek 7.x FX's. You however, would totally outclass Neil B. with Sparky being a 7.6 FX -vs- his 7.5.

You'd have to swap the Crankset since the 7.6 is a compact double model. Hmmmm, that might be a problem, but a triple crankset compatible with an FX should be cheap and easy to find and put on.

Just a thought.....

The Pittsburgh-DC tour is going to be on trails with less than 2 per cent grade, so I doubt a double would be any problem at all.

And Neil F. does outclass me in many ways. :-)

tomg 05-10-08 08:16 PM

glad you are ok!
did you get the police report? who got the ticket? left hooks suck!
i hope you have a good and rapid recovery and get your bike back on the road ASAP!
i have a few frames i could lend for you event if needed. what size/matterial...?

freemti 05-10-08 08:36 PM

Well, I'd at least put a 12-32 or 11-28 cassette on, right now it has it's original 11-26. Even with the gentle grade, a loaded bike with a granny of 34-26 is not too much fun. I'll let Neil F. chime in, but agonizing over

a)selecting a new bike
b)chosing the "trimings" and
c)actually getting said bike in his hot little hands in time for your trip

might take some doing. Borrowing Sparky with possibly a slight modification (or two) would let him try riding an FX, kind of a trial run? It has some nice 700x32 commuter tires on it (Vittoria of some ilk, I forget the exact flavor)

(of course the flip side is that getting a FX off the shelf might not be a big deal either, what with Uncle Sam's recent rebate and all, and its not like we're talking an exotic bike in a odd size)

Neil_B 05-10-08 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freemti (Post 6672335)
Well, I'd at least put a 12-32 or 11-28 cassette on, right now it has it's original 11-26. Even with the gentle grade, a loaded bike with a granny of 34-26 is not too much fun. I'll let Neil F. chime in, but agonizing over

a)selecting a new bike
b)chosing the "trimings" and
c)actually getting said bike in his hot little hands in time for your trip

might take some doing. Borrowing Sparky with possibly a slight modification (or two) would let him try riding an FX, kind of a trial run? It has some nice 700x32 commuter tires on it (Vittoria of some ilk, I forget the exact flavor)

(of course the flip side is that getting a FX off the shelf might not be a big deal either, what with Uncle Sam's recent rebate and all, and its not like we're talking an exotic bike in a odd size)

Neil F. is 5'7", so Sparky will need some tinkering, I think.

Neil_B 05-10-08 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe (Post 6671291)
I think you'll be fine, NeilF. If there's no concussion, then the worst you'll be is a bit stiff and sore for a few days. I'm seriously glad you got off as light as you did. Flip side, be sure to get a new bike out of the deal, as their Insurance will cover it, as well as your medical.

Let us bow our heads and remember the deceased as he was:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3175/...ab3677f8_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2081/...475f3fdf_b.jpg

Late 1980s BSA mountain bike, we're gonna miss ya.

bdinger 05-10-08 09:15 PM

Wow, good to hear you are allright! That sounds like a nasty spill, one of those that we all have silent fears about and hope never happens. The best news is that you are allright, and from the sounds of it, will be in good shape by tour time.

Regarding the bike, his insurance company is going to throw money at you. This is normal, and do the right thing - accept it. As it's standard, they'll offer you a "pain and suffering" settlement, which might or might not include costs to replace your bicycle. Now, I hate insurance companies, I really do. It wouldn't be a horrible idea to contact a lawyer for some CYA, but it sounds like your case is pretty cut and dry.

And as far as a bike goes, depends on what you'd like and your means. A settlement could be some time off, so if in the interim you pick up something used that wouldn't be a bad idea. Another is to swap the frame with another MTB frame, I know the Nashbar MTB frames have some big supporters - steel, cheap, and supposedly pretty good.

Sounds like a bad week for bikes around here, but keep with it! Glad to hear you are still alive and well.

neilfein 05-10-08 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Historian (Post 6671730)
I think the ride means a lot to Neil. Also, he was very low-key about the whole accident when he spoke with me. Far more calm, in fact, than I was when he told me about it. I guess when you have had an epileptic seizure while riding in traffic, little else can faze you. :rolleyes:

Thanks, but the seizure was at 6am on an empty street. But your point is well taken.

funrover 05-10-08 11:03 PM

WOW.. Glad no major injury.. Get well soon man


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