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    Total mind and body shutdown

    Ok I'm not sure where to start, so I'll start at when I noticed it. Late last week I began to "shut down", so to speak. Riding became a chore, not fun, and my energy levels were nonexistent. The recent rapid rise in heat plus my addiction to getting 30 miles a day surely had something to do with it, so I decided to drop the mileage down and relax.

    Fast forward to last night. I was feeling decent, I've cut way back on riding (around 18-20/day, skipped Sunday), and have been watching my intake close. Temps have been mild - compared to what they were - and in general I was feeling better. Then I came inside around 7pm, after dinner and after showing my truck to another non-buyer, sat down in my chair.. and shut down. It was like, everything shut down. Moving was a chore, smiling was impossible, my brain in general felt like it was clouded. I couldn't concentrate on anything, found myself crying for no reason (hey, I'll admit it!), and wasn't finding in joy in stuff I usually did. The baby made me smile for a bit, but that's cheating, the Big Cheese can make anyone smile.

    After he made me smile I had another chicken taco leftover form dinner two hours earlier (it was 8pm by that point) and started to feel a little better. Not a lot, we're talking maybe 5-10%, but enough that I went "okay, I'll go to the store for a work food resupply run, since I'm driving tomorrow anyway". I drove to the store and once there, in retrospect, it's apparent something was wrong. I was very confused by simple things: organic vs regular apples, types of apples (I ended up buying three different types because I was so confused), yogurt prices, difference of oatmeals, difference of soy sauce - you know - elementary stuff. 45 minutes later I left the grocery store with maybe a dozen items.

    Got home and cut up an apple and had some yogurt while out with my wife and honestly I'm not sure what happened. At one point she became very alarmed because I was "out of it' and "acting really strange", she even offered to take me to the hospital. I couldn't focus on simple things, and my mind was completely anxious and thinking of others. What? I have no idea. Shortly afterward I went to bed, around 10pm.

    This morning I'm still not right. I'd say I'm at - maybe - 50%. I struggled to remember some simple things a minute ago, and even now I'm having issues composing this post. I'm not sure what's wrong, but it just feels like my brain has completely "shut down".

    Obviously I'm alarmed, and wanted to know if this is exercise related. I've never had something like this happen before, and don't want to end up in the loony bin or drooling on myself.

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    Few things.

    1. See a doctor. Even if he tells you to keep a record of whatever - food/mood/whatever - it helps if you need to come back in a week or two.

    2. Diet - I know you're keeping an extreme diet. You've been losing a lot of weight, so that's great, but I also recall that you don't have much variation. Has you diet being lacking a bit in certain vitamins or minerals? Maybe you've finally lost too much of that missing piece. Some variation of fruits or veggies, even meats/fish may help.

    3. Big Cheese is NOT cheating. When you feel down, especially emotionally, there is no cheating. At all. Allow yourself to acknowledge there are ups and downs, but don't feel bad you could feel "up" when you think you're supposed to be down. Get those smiles where you can. There's not enough any more.

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    Your mind may just be overloaded from the daily stress of life. You could also be suffering a form of depression although I am not a doctor. I had something similar to this once before. I went to my doctor and he sent me to a psychologist. They determined in my case that I was in a Depression and just simply had too much on my plate. I started taking medication that really helped. I would definately go to the doctor if I were you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdinger View Post
    Ok I'm not sure where to start, so I'll start at when I noticed it. Late last week I began to "shut down", so to speak. Riding became a chore, not fun, and my energy levels were nonexistent. The recent rapid rise in heat plus my addiction to getting 30 miles a day surely had something to do with it, so I decided to drop the mileage down and relax.

    Fast forward to last night. I was feeling decent, I've cut way back on riding (around 18-20/day, skipped Sunday), and have been watching my intake close. Temps have been mild - compared to what they were - and in general I was feeling better. Then I came inside around 7pm, after dinner and after showing my truck to another non-buyer, sat down in my chair.. and shut down. It was like, everything shut down. Moving was a chore, smiling was impossible, my brain in general felt like it was clouded. I couldn't concentrate on anything, found myself crying for no reason (hey, I'll admit it!), and wasn't finding in joy in stuff I usually did. The baby made me smile for a bit, but that's cheating, the Big Cheese can make anyone smile.

    After he made me smile I had another chicken taco leftover form dinner two hours earlier (it was 8pm by that point) and started to feel a little better. Not a lot, we're talking maybe 5-10%, but enough that I went "okay, I'll go to the store for a work food resupply run, since I'm driving tomorrow anyway". I drove to the store and once there, in retrospect, it's apparent something was wrong. I was very confused by simple things: organic vs regular apples, types of apples (I ended up buying three different types because I was so confused), yogurt prices, difference of oatmeals, difference of soy sauce - you know - elementary stuff. 45 minutes later I left the grocery store with maybe a dozen items.

    Got home and cut up an apple and had some yogurt while out with my wife and honestly I'm not sure what happened. At one point she became very alarmed because I was "out of it' and "acting really strange", she even offered to take me to the hospital. I couldn't focus on simple things, and my mind was completely anxious and thinking of others. What? I have no idea. Shortly afterward I went to bed, around 10pm.

    This morning I'm still not right. I'd say I'm at - maybe - 50%. I struggled to remember some simple things a minute ago, and even now I'm having issues composing this post. I'm not sure what's wrong, but it just feels like my brain has completely "shut down".

    Obviously I'm alarmed, and wanted to know if this is exercise related. I've never had something like this happen before, and don't want to end up in the loony bin or drooling on myself.
    Starvation? Your calorie intake is very low for a person of your weight. Add in all the exercise you are doing..... You may want to eat more.

    And I hate to be alarmist here, but I should mention some of your symptoms sound like mine from January. Remember my posts about my lightheadedness? I had a mini-stroke at that time. Get checked out.

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    Sometimes this happens with over training as well. Stay of the bike for a week and just relax.
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    I immediately thought depression as well. I've had bouts with it and it ain't no fun... Also have had similar confusion issues and chalked it up to my mind being subconsciously preoccupied (not that i was thinking of other things while trying to pick out yogurt but that I couldn't give my whole concentration to picking yogurt). This is a little dark, but I've had two suicidal friends who took antidepressants to correct a chemical imbalance, once they felt better they stopped taking them and felt worse than ever. I think they were SSRI's. Your diet may be causing some sort of imbalance or deficiency. Anyway, if you do go to the Dr. and he/she does prescribe an SSRI or other anti-depressant, you will want to do A LOT of research and read testimonials/forums from people who have had experience with it before trusting your doc and filling the script. Hopefully it is some sort of easily fixed mineral deficiency. Have you tried taking a break? Like a 5 day or so break from all exercise with your favorite unhealthy meal included? It may be a step back from your diet/weight loss plan but it would be a very small price to pay for you to feel 100% again.

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    3 ideas -

    1) Go to the doctor ASAP there are too many possibilities that could be going on that should not be left to you to figure out on this.

    2) Stop riding your bike for a week. Every coach, riding expert says if a person gets like you are, and its not a medical issue, than its over training and the prescription is to not bike until you feel better.

    3) It could be time to level off your calorie intake and give your body some more calories to function on. You system may be sufficiently revved up by your riding and routines that you need more calories to keep functioning at the same level (even with a similar level of weight loss).

    But at the end of the day, your symptoms are alarming and should have you going to the doctor for testing. your story seem very similar to that of a person who has suffered a minor stroke or a significant chemical imbalance. So get thee to a doctor!

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    Go to your Doctor and get your blood sugar checked......sounds like diabetic symptoms.....

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    I'll chime in as well....get thee hence to a doctor!

    POssible causes range from an electrolyte imbalance to everything all the others have mentioned as well.

    It might be simple overtraining or too restrictive a diet, but that baby is the best reason of all to eliminate any other potentially serious issues.
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    Jeez man, get a dr appt for sure, and it does sound like a good idea to take a week out of the saddle.

    I'll put in some extra miles for ya instead ;-)

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    Dude.....if that happens again and you need a break have the DW and kids come down and get some sack time. WHen I was losing to join up in 2000 I would go on these marathon 60 minute long elliptical workouts and blow like a 1000 calories. I weighed 285-290 at the time. Just me, two layers of wrestler wear, and an Ellip set on 60-70+ minutes. Id do it, then I would go home and die for about 5 hours-coma, totally.

    When I actually got in and was wrapping up AIT, and we did our 20 mi road march final after a week in sticks in VA in the summer a lot of us were having similar happen. MRE's, not a lot of potable water, hot as hell, constant activity, 40-50 lbs of gear and about 4-6 hours of sleep a night.

    Yeah. Ive felt what you've got going on-I don't know enough to know if its depression, but I would go with exhaustion and possible starvation mode. Your metab is probably notched up with all the riding you do and diet mode doesnt work well with a training body. The building blocks have to come from somewhere and your body will take what it needs from whereever it can get it whether you like it or not.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    Starvation? Your calorie intake is very low for a person of your weight. Add in all the exercise you are doing..... You may want to eat more.
    I'll suggest a variation on this theme: low blood sugar. I'm an insulin-dependent diabetic and these symptoms sound exactly like what I experience when my blood sugar is low. I, too, would encourage you to see a doctor but... if eating simple carbohydrates (e.g. sugar, orange juice, soft drink, candy, etc) cures your problem then it may be blood sugar-related.

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    Advice taken - I'm getting on the phone with the Doc now.

    The wife mentioned depression as well, but it's so odd because it's literally never happened before. That's when I got worried, because if not that.. then what? About the same time I developed an odd burning/shooting pain on the right side of my back, just below and a little off of my armpit area. Add to the alarm, would it?

    Also, advice about time off duly noted. We're going out of town anyway this weekend, and a bike would be a tight fit with kids + us + luggage for a weekend out, so it's going to stay home. Maybe I'll get a good nature walk/hike in, or just some R&R.

    Weird thing is, my diet has been getting more and more reasonable. I'm up to 2500 calories/day now, with regular meals, and I've been eating lots of fruits and veggies. I might even need to go higher? I'm going to talk to the Doc about this, and you know, I'm fine with slowing the weight loss even further. Feeling like this stinks.

    And finally, yes, I'm a little worried about the combination of symptoms. I'll keep everyone posted.

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    Your 4lbs a week is more like a wrestler cutting weight-I know water drops off fast, but you should have hit your water equilibrium oh, like 2 years ago or so with constant activity. I'd shoot for 2, maybe 3. That extra pound is coming from somewhere and if its not fat it can throw your hormones all off and really mess with some functions. Here is another possible thought-hyperhydration? I know you are losing it when you ride, but when you are just sitting and whatnot, too much water too quickly can dilute your blood and lower your blood pressure-it throws off the potassium ion balance in your heart and you get arrhythmia and can die.
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    Take care of yourself, man. I felt bad Monday when I was a total slug (15 miles felt tough) after a 400 mile week. Last night, I was at the top of my game. The body is weird like that. If I start to feel like you describe on the bike, I do an electrolyte mix in my water bottle and hit some sugar, too.

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    Good that you're following up with the doctor.
    I've had the fuzzy-brained issues before, and ended up in the ER from it because I was too stubborn to listen to my body.

    That said and done, taking time off the bike isn't a sin. The bicycle gods won't smite you with brokes spokes and rotted sidewalls for taking a week off from riding. I should know, because I do it a few times a year. I just got back on the bike (commuting) this week after a 1 week hiatus from riding at all, and a second week where all I did was bring my track bike to work and stop by the velodrome for some easy laps after work.
    Sometimes, you just need some time off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdinger View Post
    Fast forward to last night. I was feeling decent, I've cut way back on riding (around 18-20/day, skipped Sunday), and have been watching my intake close. Temps have been mild - compared to what they were - and in general I was feeling better. Then I came inside around 7pm, after dinner and after showing my truck to another non-buyer, sat down in my chair.. and shut down. It was like, everything shut down. Moving was a chore, smiling was impossible, my brain in general felt like it was clouded. I couldn't concentrate on anything, found myself crying for no reason (hey, I'll admit it!), and wasn't finding in joy in stuff I usually did.
    Funny, up until I made my most recent move and couldn't bike, this is how I felt almost every day coming home after work less the crying part. That (and moving somewhere I could actually walk out of my apt door and start riding) was part of what got me back into cycling...again.

    I have a lot (read at least weekly) of energy problems that will lead me to just crashing sorta like this, and I think I've tracked a lot of it to a vitamin B problem. I eat a meat-light diet with probably too much sugar (although, I keep soft drinks to a minimum) but I've noticed caffeine alone will never bring me out of a funk, while a big dose (read 16oz b-complex laden energy drink, usually of the sugar free variety) of liquid or edible (real food as opposed to suppliments) b vitamins seems to turn me around in 15 minutes.

    I just keep lamenting hearing the Depression or Diabetes words whenever I deal with this, but oddly enough, 10 miles a day seemed to cure it completely while I was commuting, and now as long as I ride every other day, I'm much better.
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    So you felt better after you ate but only a bit? I'm not all that familiar with your diet but have you been cutting carbs and sugars? I'm not a doctor but I think you need a big ole carb load. You felt better after a chicken taco which had a bit of carbs in the shell, it might be a good night for a plate chicken alfredo, on top of the carbs your body could probably use the lipids. Carbs are brain food.

    And to ask a stupid question, have you been taking a multivitamin?

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    One simple thing you can do is check your resting pulse rate. A significant persistent elevation can be a sign of over-training. I had this happen to me a couple of years ago, and it felt much like what you describe. My pulse, I found, was stuck around 80 bpm, and this lasted for a couple of days.

    At least make sure your physician is aware of over-training as a possibility. It probably isn't the first thing that pops into their minds if they're not specialists in sports medicine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bautieri View Post
    So you felt better after you ate but only a bit? I'm not all that familiar with your diet but have you been cutting carbs and sugars? I'm not a doctor but I think you need a big ole carb load. You felt better after a chicken taco which had a bit of carbs in the shell, it might be a good night for a plate chicken alfredo, on top of the carbs your body could probably use the lipids. Carbs are brain food.

    And to ask a stupid question, have you been taking a multivitamin?
    Correct, and yesterday I did pretty good eating-wise, honestly. For dinner I had two chicken soft tacos (grilled chicken + a little cheese + misson burrito size tortilla), which was about an hour before the crash. I had another one after the crash, then (and I forgot about this until I just saw the can in my car) a can of A&W rootbeer (NON DIET!!! LOL!). It got worse when I got home so.. I dunno.

    Tomorrow is the doctor's appointment, and I'm trying to put together a food/exercise log for the past two weeks to show him. And yes, my Surly is going to be lonely for a week. And no, I'm not going to worry about it .

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    It's fun playing doctor! But only online with you, bdinger!


    One last off the wall thing: when you were last at this weight, what was going on in your life? Some folks believe (not really sure that I do) that you store up body chemicals in the fat you store and when you burn it you release the same chemicals into the blood stream. The idea being that you can relive some past stress or depression.
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    All the notes about diet and overtraining and whatsis might be on the money...but when brains start acting weird, I think it's time for an ER trip, because you could have something serious going wrong. A friend of a co-worker recently displayed signs of confusion and disorientation at work, and one of the first things they evaluated her for was stroke. Scary thought, I know, and not the most likely scenario, but with something like stroke or another cerebrovascular accident, rapid intervention is critical. In your situation, I would not be making phone calls or appointments, I would be going to the hospital.

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    Ben,

    You have gotten some great advice here, and I'm glad that your are taking it. I have similar symptoms when coming off my brutal 48 hour rotation at work sometimes. After twelve years I have learned to listen to what my body is telling me. Many times I just need to take a nap to finish out the day. Your body has been going through a lot of changes over the last year, and you well learn to listen to the more subtle signs that you may need some down time or diet changes. Any way, you have earned a little time off, enjoy your family for a while and hit the bike when you feel up to it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil brown bat View Post
    All the notes about diet and overtraining and whatsis might be on the money...but when brains start acting weird, I think it's time for an ER trip, because you could have something serious going wrong. A friend of a co-worker recently displayed signs of confusion and disorientation at work, and one of the first things they evaluated her for was stroke. Scary thought, I know, and not the most likely scenario, but with something like stroke or another cerebrovascular accident, rapid intervention is critical. In your situation, I would not be making phone calls or appointments, I would be going to the hospital.
    I actually just stopped and saw his nurse - my doc is out today - because they were worried about just that. She did some stuff, and it appears it wasn't a stroke or anything outwardly worrisome - all my numbers appear decent. Tomorrow the doc is going to check me out, and do some bloodwork to determine what is going on.

    As a sidenote, I've kind of been on a eating frenzy and am starting to feel better. Breakfast - 310 calories of oatmeal. Snack - 190 calories of granola bar. Lunch 1 - 320 calorie wrap (turkey, cheese, tortilla). Lunch 2 - 400 calories of rice and Tuna. That puts me already at 1220 calories for the day, hrm, think my body is trying to tell me something?

    She did say if the symptoms deteriorate, or if I have any dizziness/headache to go straight to the ER.

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