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    235 lbs - 24 spoke wheels?

    So if you've followed some of my recent posts in the commuter forum, you'll see that I'm preparing for a new bike purchase. One of the compelling bikes LordBass pointed out to me is the Redline R760:

    http://www.redlinebicycles.com/adultbikes/R760.html

    As a performance oriented road bike "specifically designed for fenders and 700 X 28c tire clearance," this thing caught my attention. However the 24-spoke wheels make me nervous. Should I be?

    My current Allez has 24 front/28 rear and they've held up pretty well but I've had to true a few wobbles.

    My second choice at the moment is a Salsa Casseroll, which has 32 spoke wheels front and rear. I have no worries about those wheels.

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    My choice would be the Casseroll triple, but that is my current dream bike, so I am biased. If I hit my goals and order the Salsa I am actually looking at swapping out the 32 spoke wheels for 36's. I already spoke to my LBS about it and they say no problem.

    At 235 you will probably be ok, if the wheels are trued and tensioned properly. I weigh in at 325, so 24 spokes are just not an option for me. Looks like a sweet ride.
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    +100 on the casseroll. Got one, and love it!

    I built mine up before the complete bikes were available. Even at 225 lbs, I still ride with 36 spoke wheels. Hard for me to destroy them! 32's would probably work fine for me, but hey, a few extra spokes never hurt anyone.

    FWIW, the redline weighs 23.4 pounds (according to Road Bike Action, couldn't find a weight on Redline's site), The casseroll triple weighs in at 23.5 lbs according to Salsa (55cm), so it doesn't look like you'll be saving much on weight, if that's an issue. My build tips the scales at 25lbs with a brooks saddle and 36 spoke wheels for a 57cm frame size, so I think the weight that they posted would be pretty accurate.
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    I ride some Easton Circuits with 24 spokes on the front (I am 250 lbs). However, I would maybe search on the road forum about those Xero wheels -- I don't recall them having the best reviews (for what they are worth).

    The Salsa would be a nice bike, probably without the wheel issue. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fc_ View Post
    FWIW, the redline weighs 23.4 pounds (according to Road Bike Action, couldn't find a weight on Redline's site), The casseroll triple weighs in at 23.5 lbs according to Salsa (55cm), so it doesn't look like you'll be saving much on weight, if that's an issue
    That's good to know, thanks for that info.

    Today I dropped the guys at Salsa an email asking about a rear wheel slippage issue that I discovered while doing further research. Their reply gave me confidence that they're being honest when they pointed me to some online discussions of the problem, and told me that the issue hasn't come up with the complete bike - only some instances where people are building the bike up and using certain hubs. This, coupled with the fact that I just realized the Redline is has a double crank, has changed my mind and the Casseroll Triple is now solidly at the top of my list.

    I plan to make the purchase decision early next week. It's already passed the wife test.

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    Well, remember, I upgraded to a 36 spoke deep V on my Allez, so you know my opinion on low spoke count for a Clyde.

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    FWIW:
    I'm 5'10" 240# & have Xero XSR-3 20/24 spoke wheels on a Giant OCR Limited (Carbon Frame.)
    http://archive.giant-bicycles.com/us...06&model=11445
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    After 2000+ miles I have had no issues w/ the frame or wheels. I did have the wheels retensioned & trued as a preventive maintenance action @ around 1400 miles. They didn't look or feel bad, but were in need of retensioning.

    Having said that, generally I ride on good, smooth roads & don't race (have ridden a few centuries on rough roads.) From what I understand, getting the wheels retensioned and trued after a few hundred miles is key to spoke/wheel life.

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    I ride Reynolds Solitudes with 24 spokes on both wheels. I have had one spoke break and be repaired at 1300 miles and after 1500 miles I'm getting them re-trued and tensioned for the first time (didn't have this done when repaired) , as they were a quarter inch off on the rear. When the spoke broke (drive side of rear wheel) I was able to ride 10 miles home with a good bit of climbing. That put the wheel out of true ~1/2 inch but was still ride able. That spoke was fixed for me but they were only able to get it partially trued due t the lack of the Reynolds specific spoke tool. So, 200 miles later, they have the tool and I', riding my spare wheels this week. My spare wheels are another set of Reynolds wheels - the predecessors to the Solitude - the Areocomp/Race wheels. What makes the low spoke count work on these wheels is the 30 mm deep dish rims that are great. I also like the double butted spokes as they are both strong and light.

    I weight 206 now, but started riding these wheels @ 228. They have held up pretty well. I commute on them most days including running over railroad crossings and crappy city roads w/ lots of uneven pavement.

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    I ride Shimano WH500 and they are 20 - 24 spoke rims and I weight in around 235. Haven't broken a spoke. Had 32 spokes on first wheel set and they broke way too often.
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    If you want 3 sprockets - 27 speeds you might try the Redline 750. It has the same frame and wheels, uses Tiagra components. Priced at $900.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zpl View Post
    So if you've followed some of my recent posts in the commuter forum, you'll see that I'm preparing for a new bike purchase. One of the compelling bikes LordBass pointed out to me is the Redline R760:

    http://www.redlinebicycles.com/adultbikes/R760.html

    As a performance oriented road bike "specifically designed for fenders and 700 X 28c tire clearance," this thing caught my attention. However the 24-spoke wheels make me nervous. Should I be?

    My current Allez has 24 front/28 rear and they've held up pretty well but I've had to true a few wobbles.

    My second choice at the moment is a Salsa Casseroll, which has 32 spoke wheels front and rear. I have no worries about those wheels.

    Scott
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    The pre built version does have 32 spokes but I'm really not overly concerned, although I've only put about 150 miles on it so far (ask me again this time next year). It also comes with full 105 group.
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    I just poped a spoke on my Specialized 24 spoke rear wheel. I am 230, the bike has on it 800 at the most. Got a new 32 wheel at the LBS/
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    I have the Xero wheels that came with my Giant OCR2 haven't had any issues with them after about 800 miles. I am 6'2" 210 lbs

    Also on my MTB commuter i just put Mavics on it and they are awesome so far. They have around 22 blade spokes def an upgrade from the pos rims i had before that I kept popping spokes on.

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    From someone who works on a lot of wheels...

    Make sure the stock wheels are checked by a competent wheelsmith / mechanic as I have seen too many stock wheels suffer from poor build quality where they were poorly trued and quite often, not properly de-stressed.

    Do this before you take that bike for a ride as it may save you a lot of grief.

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    I'm on the Xero Lite 20/24s and I'm 220 +/- depending on the day lol. I noticed after about 250 miles that my fronts are starting to make some noise and my dad was following me the other day and said he thought the rears might have been doing the same thing. Spokes feel a little loose so I need to have them checked out anyways. During my MS150 ride this weekend is when I noticed all the noise...there was an onsite bike mechanic that said my noise in the rear was probably due to the dog dish and not the spokes....but I still wanna get it figured out anyways just to be on the safe side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbocruiser13 View Post
    I'm on the Xero Lite 20/24s and .... are starting to make some noise..... Spokes feel a little loose .....
    Quote Originally Posted by Bone Head View Post
    FWIW:
    I'm 5'10" 240# & have Xero XSR-3 20/24 spoke wheels ..... I did have the wheels retensioned & trued as a preventive maintenance action @ around 1400 miles. They didn't look or feel bad, but were in need of retensioning.
    From what I understand, getting the wheels retensioned and trued after a few hundred miles is key to spoke/wheel life.
    Turbocruiser: I'm not a wheel builder, but IMHO if the spokes feel loose, you probably need to retension & true before you break a spoke. If done properly, you should get many miles out of the wheels.
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    ^^^^ Lol, you actually told me to do that in another thread as well...so atleast I know you're not pulling useless info out of your butt

    I had planned on it from the get-go, I just needed to be on the bike as much as possible before my 150 mile ride that was last weekend. I only had about 2 1/2 weeks to get the bike fit to my likings and everything adjusted the way I wanted it to before I was off on my charity ride. Now that I'm back, I can address a few details to my LBS like having the wheels retensioned and whatnot, as well as fixing my dragging front derailer lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flip 18436572
    I ride Shimano WH500 and they are 20 - 24 spoke rims and I weight in around 235. Haven't broken a spoke. Had 32 spokes on first wheel set and they broke way too often.
    This makes zero sense to me... there is no reason why more spokes would mean more breakage.

    I'm about 215, and I've just never understood why saving a half a whiff of weight (spoke weight=basically nothing) is worth the distinct reduction in durability...

    I had 36, 3X wheels for a long while, now on 32 3X.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
    From someone who works on a lot of wheels...

    Make sure the stock wheels are checked by a competent wheelsmith / mechanic as I have seen too many stock wheels suffer from poor build quality where they were poorly trued and quite often, not properly de-stressed.

    Do this before you take that bike for a ride as it may save you a lot of grief.
    And make sure you ask them to do this. My LBS guys do it by default (even on a $50 wheel) and don't charge for it but even if you have to pay, the wheel will last much much longer. It is really insurance that you won't come back next week with a taco and blame them for a crappy wheel.

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    All things being equal higher spoke wheels should last longer I'd like to think. For me my original wheels that came with my commuter were 32 spoke and they started snapping after a short time and the rim went a little out of whack. Did the whole retension/true thing and more snapping. The guy at the LBS told me the mavic 24 spokes were bombproof and perhaps they were years back when they were first out or maybe I got a bum set. My set didn't even last 3 months. Sure I put on 2k in that time and it never went out of true or loosed/broke a spoke. The spokes did tear the rim though
    Straight pull spokes seem like such a wonderful thing. Easy field replacement if something goes wrong no jbend to wear out. The wheels felt really sturdy leaning into turns and all that.

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    I've got a set of Vuelta XRP Pros, 24 spoked f&r, and haven't had any issues. Close to about 1200 miles now on them and rolling perfectly. When I first started road cycling 3 months ago, I weighed in at 238 pds. Currently at 214 pds and and the wheels are still true without any of the spokes needing to be re-tensioned. From paved roads to not-so-great local MUPs, they've held up to par. Couldn't be happier for buying these wheels since they didn't break the bank.. about $220 shipped from www.bikeisland.com. As a matter of fact, I plan on ordering the Vuelta XRP Pro SL, a 20 f / 24 r wheelset as my next wheelset since its only $20 more.

    You'll be fine with those 24 spoked wheels if you decide on that Redline roadie.. nice looking bike btw. As mentioned before, and for peace of mind, have a LBS check the wheels and you'll be on your way.

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    Higher spoke-count wheels should have less breakage (or at least go longer before breakage occurs).

    But if someone is concerned that spokes on his wheels broke too soon, then the wheels were not properly built - regardless of number of spokes (within reason - I will guess that people over ~300 lbs should be careful with low spoke count wheels)

    FWIW, the first few batches of pre-built Shi+mano wheels I ever saw from around 1999 - 2000 had a lot of broken spokes. THey got better for subsequent model years, so I guess they figured out what they were doing wrong.

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