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    OK....Now what? Opinions and Options

    So...the back story.
    I had my 2nd spoke on my LeTour break on the last charity ride (Tour De Paris). I had actually thought it had come out of true, but the way it was woven into the other spokes didn't make that readily apparent.

    I got the price for a hand-built deep V 40 spoke ($300+), and decided the CR16 40 spoke touring wheel set I found on ebay would be an good purchase. After ordering the wheels, I checked out the sale at the lbs to see what they had. Of course everything was out of my league...but they had some trade in's in the used area that had just come in.

    I found this:

    1995 (I think) Trek 1220 (RSX components) for $150.00
    After fretting about it for awhile (the spousal unit sometimes doesn't approve) It was mine.

    Now here's the question.
    Do I keep the Trek as it is (concerns about 32 spoke wheels while I'm still hanging around 350#)?:
    Here's the current rim:

    Or replace the current wheels with the 40 spoke Sun CR16's and (Deore XT rear hub):

    Or
    Should I transfer components to my 89-ish Letour for the steel frame as opposed to the aluminum of the 1220?

    of course I could CL it all and keep the touring wheels for something else....
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    CXP21 are some strong wheels. I don't think you'll have any issues with them, even at 32 spoke. Just have them checked for proper tension. I'd say n+1 applies here, personally. The Trek AND the Schwinn. Pick up some wheels for the LeTour and ride them both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    CXP21 are some strong wheels. I don't think you'll have any issues with them, even at 32 spoke. Just have them checked for proper tension. I'd say n+1 applies here, personally. The Trek AND the Schwinn. Pick up some wheels for the LeTour and ride them both.
    Hmmm.......I like the way you think.
    The CXP21's are really that strong?
    Maybe the best decision is no decision.
    Kind of decadent having TWO road bikes.

    Still may have to lose one to achieve marital harmony though. (sigh)
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    Point out to the wife that it's a case of different hammers for different jobs. Kind of like different dresses/shoes for different social occasions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jtgyk View Post
    Hmmm.......I like the way you think.
    The CXP21's are really that strong?
    Maybe the best decision is no decision.
    Kind of decadent having TWO road bikes.

    Still may have to lose one to achieve marital harmony though. (sigh)
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    My old Schwinn Le Tour is my commuter and my new Schwinn Le Tour is my weekend ride (and the MTB just hangs there most of the time waiting for me to take it out in the dirt). Nothing decadent about it.

    I'm currently saving for a "good" road bike (105 or Ultegra vs. Sora/Tiagra mix on my new Schwinn) which will move my newer Schwinn to commuter duty and old Schwinn to grocery getter. 3 road bikes each with their own purpose. (I can come up with more uses for road bikes so decadent won't hit till I get past n+1).

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    One supposes the Trek would be the purple strappie sandals and the Schwinn ... a red low heeled pump?

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    Cant' believe I come up with that.....hmph....too many sisters I guess.
    Now I must go and spit and do other manly things.
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    Nice Deal on the Trek!! I would leave it as stock and ride it.

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    Is the 40 spoke bike already have a 40 spoke hub? If so, I'd buy a Deep V online somewhere for maybe $50. Take it to a shop and have it hand built for $50 plus the cost of spokes, another $25(?)

    Same hub
    new spokes
    new Deep V...about $125 for a strong rear wheel. Front down't take as much abuse so you still got some time on that. Start saving or picking up aparts cheap befoe it breaks, makes the pain a bit easier if you're one step ahead

    Or I'd get a 32 spoke rim online for the Trek. Have it bulit with the same hub. Should be a strong rim. About the sme cost etihr route. Hold off on the front for a while. It's easier and cheaper to replace.

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    BTW, I had a friend that was 150 lbs constantly tore up his CXP21's. He didn't maintain them well, but still 150 lb riders don't do as much damage as us big guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe View Post
    Point out to the wife that it's a case of different hammers for different jobs. Kind of like different dresses/shoes for different social occasions.
    Tell the spousal unit, that you would like to keep both bikes encase she would like to join you in an evening ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbikingman View Post
    Tell the spousal unit, that you would like to keep both bikes encase she would like to join you in an evening ride
    She already has her bike...13" Trek 820 with slicks. My Bikes would be waaaay too tall for her (33" standover). She freaks out when she hits any speed above 12mph.
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    Right now I've mounted the CR16's (40 spoke) on the LeTour.
    Rode both bikes this afternoon and of course like different things about each one. I'm still getting use to the feel of aluminum compared to Chro-Mo. And the Trek seems to have a longer wheel base.
    Whatever I do...the 40 spoke wheels will stay with me if either bike is sold.
    Hey, I'm just this GUY...you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtgyk View Post
    Right now I've mounted the CR16's (40 spoke) on the LeTour.
    Rode both bikes this afternoon and of course like different things about each one. I'm still getting use to the feel of aluminum compared to Chro-Mo. And the Trek seems to have a longer wheel base.
    Whatever I do...the 40 spoke wheels will stay with me if either bike is sold.
    Point out to her that the price you'll sell it for is a loss, and guys spend MUCH more money than that on bikes.

    And, well, she'll get over it. Trust me

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdinger View Post
    Point out to her that the price you'll sell it for is a loss, and guys spend MUCH more money than that on bikes.

    And, well, she'll get over it. Trust me
    How about other things you can lose a lot of money on, like cars..... Suppose it's 5 miles to work, and it's a relatively low traffic trip. Now you can buy a second car for that trip, add on gas, insurance, fees, maintenance, for one year. How much bicycle could you buy for the same number of dollars?
    Hint, cars cost a lot more then most people think.....

    You sure she will get over it, he might end up spending the winter bunking out with the dog. The only real solution, is to find a way for her to get something of equal value, like the garage cleaned out and painted Something you have been promising to do since Nixon was president....

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    Ok....I didn't organize my thoughts well in the original post.

    1)I needed to replace the stock wheels on the schwinn. (breaking spokes)

    2)Priced rebuilding original wheel (not too expenseive but it'd still be 36 spoke), getting 1 deep V 40 spoke made ($300+ local quote), Wound up finding and buying the Touring wheelset ($120 ebay)

    3)While the wheels were being shipped...found and bought the trek.

    I needed opinions as to if I should replace the existing wheels on the trek with the touring set (40 spokes vs 32 in that particular style) or just put them on the schwinn and ride them both.

    I was also wondering about the advisablity of transferring the newer trek components to a lugged steel frame....selling the aluminum frame set to recoup some of the cost.

    I kind of think I LIKE the trek frame now and have been riding both bikes to see which one I like best.

    I bring the DW in for comic relief (she's actually for anything that gets me out and active, and besides she likes purple and blue)

    The questions now are:
    Is Aluminum gonna be OK for my large self?
    Should I change out the rear wheel on the trek for the 40 spoke set?
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    The LBS that built my Deep V's told me the CXP21's were not a good Clyde wheel. Said to go to the CXP33 if I wanted to go with Mavic.
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    I did the math recently, because I wanted to figure out how much I would have lost had I bought the new Ranger instead of my old F-150 three years ago.. and it was astonishing. Basically I would have thrown away OVER $15,000 in that time. Thrown it away. In the wind. Gone. Right now I'm struggling because I paid $2,500 for my '92 F-150 three years ago, and prices have dropped so hard that I'm going to be lucky (LUCKY!) to get $1,800-2,000 out of it. I doubt it will happen, as the market here is horrible for pickups. I saw several 2007 Dodges with 4x4 for $13,000, a lot of 1999-2001's for $4,000-5,000 and most '92-'94s are going $800-1,200. My wife and I are both in agreement that if I don't get at least $1,800 for it (seriously, it's rust free with 30,000 on a rebuilt V8 and spanking new tires, it's a NICE pickup) we'll just keep it around until prices go back up, or the kids turn 16. Just ain't worth it.

    My bike, on the other hand, I could sell for nearly what I paid for it. I've seen used LHT's go for $850 or even $900, and I only paid $935 for mine..

    Quote Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
    How about other things you can lose a lot of money on, like cars..... Suppose it's 5 miles to work, and it's a relatively low traffic trip. Now you can buy a second car for that trip, add on gas, insurance, fees, maintenance, for one year. How much bicycle could you buy for the same number of dollars?
    Hint, cars cost a lot more then most people think.....

    You sure she will get over it, he might end up spending the winter bunking out with the dog. The only real solution, is to find a way for her to get something of equal value, like the garage cleaned out and painted Something you have been promising to do since Nixon was president....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdinger View Post
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    My bike, on the other hand, I could sell for nearly what I paid for it. I've seen used LHT's go for $850 or even $900, and I only paid $935 for mine..
    Amen to that Dinger. With the way the market is down here, I could probably flip the trek on CL and make money.....
    But I plan on riding it for awhile.

    I'd evenutally like to get an LHT (or a Randenour from REI). Now...if I added all the money that I'd spent till now on trying to save money...Id probably have the bike I wanted by now with money left over for accessories.

    Though, to think about it, the process has been pretty fun and educational. I even have a couple of "free bikes" (cost more to fix than they're worth) that I have been able to learn on by tearing down cleaning and rebuilding. Now I'm not so leery of doing a good deal of my own maintenance. (Yes Mr.Beanz- I DO plan on learning to build my own wheels. I just have to get that garage cleaned out so I can find my workbench. Hmmm maybe by next spring....)
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    Kind of curious about what LBS you went to about building a wheel, seems pretty steep. I have my suspicions.......I was probably there yesterday.

    Try www.prowheelbuilder.com they even have the option for supplying your own hub. The only draw back I see is getting a "tune up" check on tension and such.

    I really need/want to learn to build my own wheels. I think if I can overcome some preformed perceptions about dishing I'm gonna give it a go. Dishing is my down fall confidence wise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txvintage View Post
    Kind of curious about what LBS you went to about building a wheel, seems pretty steep. I have my suspicions.......I was probably there yesterday.

    Try www.prowheelbuilder.com they even have the option for supplying your own hub. The only draw back I see is getting a "tune up" check on tension and such.

    I really need/want to learn to build my own wheels. I think if I can overcome some preformed perceptions about dishing I'm gonna give it a go. Dishing is my down fall confidence wise.
    The quote I got was from a kid at RBM....probably not the most reliable source. Should have talked to one of the senior wrenches.

    The thing for me with wheel building is the enormous potential for making a complete dog's dinner of the thing.
    I'll probably do the same thing I did with the bikes...buy the proper tools and rebuild some crap wheels so if I screw up...I'll only be out the price of the spokes & nipples (along with my time and sanity).
    Hey, I'm just this GUY...you know?
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    Oh yeah! Thanks for the link to prowheelbuilder.
    Hey, I'm just this GUY...you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jtgyk View Post
    The quote I got was from a kid at RBM....probably not the most reliable source. Should have talked to one of the senior wrenches.

    The thing for me with wheel building is the enormous potential for making a complete dog's dinner of the thing.
    I'll probably do the same thing I did with the bikes...buy the proper tools and rebuild some crap wheels so if I screw up...I'll only be out the price of the spokes & nipples (along with my time and sanity).
    Yep, the older guys are teh only ones I'll do business with. I don't have much luck, or service, from the flock of kids.

    I always get the feeling they would rahter not be bothered unless your getting a Madone or Calnago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jtgyk View Post
    Oh yeah! Thanks for the link to prowheelbuilder.
    I actually know someone with a set of their wheels. Well done and fairly economical, all in all.

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