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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 08-07-08, 12:14 PM   #1
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Clyde Myth Busters

Iíve made of list of some of the ideas I have picked up lately. Ok, some of it may have been made up in my mind, but see what can you dispel or add to this list. You may see your idea here, so if I donít give you credit, feel free to claim it.

1. Once a clyde always a clyde
2. Some clydeís will never be below 200, because of body type
3. It is easier to NOT eat 100 calories, then to burn 100 calories.
4. You have to ride for an hour for it to be beneficial and burn fat.
5. Your tires need 32 spokes or more
6. Your non-biking clyde friends just donít get it.
7. When you start biking you hear from body parts you didnít know you had.
8. It is better to be a clyde then a FRED.
9. Shopping for smaller size clothes is inevitable.
10. Clydes need to ride on wide tires.
11. Skinnys hate to be passed by a clyde
12. Two clydes abreast is a road block
13. A clydes concept of shaving a few grams of weight off on a ride is deciding to have one or
two slices of cheese on their sandwich.
14. To a clyde a few less seconds matter, but few less pounds are more important
15. Cyldes can be cyclists and not just pedal pushers.

Maybe I have too much free time and should ride more
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Old 08-07-08, 12:29 PM   #2
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I beg to differ with 5 and 10. I run fewer spokes and roll just fine on 23's, no pinchies to date.

I concure with 1, 3, 6, 7, 9, 11, 14, and 15.

The rest I am indifferent to.
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Old 08-07-08, 12:32 PM   #3
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what about cycling as cardio makes it different than other cardio, where you would need 60 minutes of elevated heart rate as opposed to running where this would not be required?
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Old 08-07-08, 12:58 PM   #4
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I dunno about #4. Any ride burns fat, IMHO.
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I don't buy into #8.

Check me out on a weekend errand ride sometime. Street clothes, safety sash, bike gloves, bucket panniers, riding slow... Fredsdale, all the way!
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Re: #4

The University of New South Wales did a study recently that showed that a 20 minute interval workout helped people lose fat faster than 40 minutes of consistent effort. Course I read somewhere in one of the stories about the study that intervals also helped with "spot reduction" which is a concept that's been pretty thoroughly discredited, so I'd take it all with a grain of salt anyway.
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Old 08-07-08, 01:36 PM   #7
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I agree with #2 - I'm outside the +-2 Std. Deviations that define the bell curve. I don't look it, but I'm 255 and even though I ride 100+ miles/week, I've been stable at 250-255 for 9 months. I stopped worrying about my weight and am worrying about my strength/stamina instead. My last 60mile SART ride was in 3 hours. . . (avg 20mph, duh ) so. . . not worrying about that at all.

IN general, I agree with #5 - my fewer spoke wheels are toast. I upped to 28/32 and haven't had to true them in several months.

#6 - heck yes. Irritates me but oh well. . . at least I can jog up 4 flights of stairs without gasping, while they can't WALK up them . . . LOL

#8 - not sure I enjoy either stereotype so. . .

#11 - oh yes. I love seeing skinnies try to keep up. As long as it's not significantly uphill, I can at least hold my own. . . LOL

#15 - definitely. I'm proud to be a Clyde (love those horses anyway - and torque rules! ) and more proud to be a Cyclist!
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Old 08-07-08, 02:00 PM   #8
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Ahh, you're missing myth #0: Carbon fiber disintegrates in the mere presence of a 250+lb clyde and aluminum is so stiff a clyde will either kill it quick or vibrate himself to death riding the frame.

#11...I dropped a skinny on a CF frame yesterday. Grinned from ear to ear for a good five minutes.
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#3 and #7 are absolute TRUTH...no myths, there.

100 calories is 8 oz of a soft drink. Burning 100 calories takes miles of cycling.

When anyone starts any program of exercise, he hears from body parts that had previously been anonymous.
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#3 and #7 are absolute TRUTH...no myths, there.

100 calories is 8 oz of a soft drink. Burning 100 calories takes miles of cycling.

When anyone starts any program of exercise, he hears from body parts that had previously been anonymous.
by miles you mean like 3-4?
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1. Once a clyde always a clyde Physically - No. Mentally - Yes
3. It is easier to NOT eat 100 calories, then to burn 100 calories. True (because I said it )
4. You have to ride for an hour for it to be beneficial and burn fat. Any exersize is beneficial
5. Your tires need 32 spokes or more False. I had 20/24 spoke wheels at 280 and never needed to true them for the 800 miles I rode them.
6. Your non-biking clyde friends just don’t get it. Most non biking people in general don't get it
7. When you start biking you hear from body parts you didn’t know you had. True
9. Shopping for smaller size clothes is inevitable. True
10. Clydes need to ride on wide tires. False. I ran on 23c tires at 280lbs
14. To a clyde a few less seconds matter, but few less pounds are more important True
15. Cyldes can be cyclists and not just pedal pushers. True
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I don't buy into #8.

Check me out on a weekend errand ride sometime. Street clothes, safety sash, bike gloves, bucket panniers, riding slow... Fredsdale, all the way!
I am still not entirely sure on the exact requirements to be a Fred but I am pretty sure I am one. lol
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Old 08-07-08, 04:41 PM   #13
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Re: #4

The University of New South Wales did a study recently that showed that a 20 minute interval workout helped people lose fat faster than 40 minutes of consistent effort. Course I read somewhere in one of the stories about the study that intervals also helped with "spot reduction" which is a concept that's been pretty thoroughly discredited, so I'd take it all with a grain of salt anyway.
one of the more recent studies I'd seen in regards to THE most efficient way to burn fat.... is something I mentioned somewhere on this site before, not sure if it was this board in particular.... "high intensity interval training" which is really just 30 minutes of wind sprints or other equivalent measures..... one minute of balls out sprinting, one minute of e-z recovery period. this works with running stairs, probably works with riding on hills, or just flat ground sprinting and recovery. reason this works so well is not just the super elevated heart rate (which during recovery period drops lower than it would during extended cardio) but also due to building muscle mass faster... building the extra muscle allows for more calories to be burned the NEXT time, and it escalates with the more muscle you build.
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Haha great post!

But what the heck is a FRED?
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1. Once a clyde always a clyde Physically - False / Mentally True
2. Some clydeís will never be below 200, because of body type True, ask a professional football player, some of those guys are almost as big as a clydesdale
3. It is easier to NOT eat 100 calories, then to burn 100 calories. True
4. You have to ride for an hour for it to be beneficial and burn fat. False
5. Your tires need 32 spokes or more False, BTW wheels need spokes, tires do not
6. Your non-biking clyde friends just donít get it. Non biking friends (clyde or not) often don't get it
7. When you start biking you hear from body parts you didnít know you had. True, but also true for any form of workout
8. It is better to be a clyde then a FRED. False, it's possible to be BOTH
9. Shopping for smaller size clothes is inevitable. False, not everybody does
10. Clydes need to ride on wide tires. False, although wider tire support more weight at a more comfortable pressure
11. Skinnys hate to be passed by a clyde True, clydes are more like diesel trucks, acceleration may take a while, but once we're up to speed, there is no stopping us, unless there is a hill ....
12. Two clydes abreast is a road block True, 2 cyclists (clyde or not) are a road block, that is why riding 2 up is often illegal, although if you ride 2 up, and then one drops behind to allow traffic to pass, it generally does no harm
13. A clydes concept of shaving a few grams of weight off on a ride is deciding to have one or
two slices of cheese on their sandwich. False, this implies that because one is a clyde, they want to eat more, some of us are very careful about food
14. To a clyde a few less seconds matter, but few less pounds are more important Partly true, some of us are into it, to be healthier and able to do more, lower weight is a nice side benefit, but for some it's not the primary reason behind cycling.
15. Clydes can be cyclists and not just pedal pushers. True

Maybe I have too much free time and should ride more True
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by miles you mean like 3-4?
About that. Riding 3 miles is easy, but not drinking 8 oz of Pepsi is even easier.
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If you question your FREDness follow this link.

...you might just be a Fred.
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2. Some clyde’s will never be below 200, because of body type
3. It is easier to NOT eat 100 calories, then to burn 100 calories.
The plural of clyde is clydes, not clyde's. Apostrophe+s is possessive, not plural; the usage here is plural.
Then is sequence; than is alternative. It's easier to NOT eat 100 calories than to burn 100 calories is the proper phrasing.


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Once again, it's alternative, not sequence. The proper word is than.
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My last 60mile SART ride was in 3 hours. . . (avg 20mph, duh ) so. . .

Holy smokes! And I'm going to try to keep up with you on Saturday?...20 mph average on SART is really fast!
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2. Some clydeís will never be below 200, because of body type

I totally agree. It has more to do with muscle mass than body type. On average muscle is twice as dense as fat. I'm more concerned with body fat loss than I am with weight loss.
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The plural of clyde is clydes, not clyde's. Apostrophe+s is possessive, not plural; the usage here is plural.
Then is sequence; than is alternative. It's easier to NOT eat 100 calories than to burn 100 calories is the proper phrasing.


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Once again, it's alternative, not sequence. The proper word is than.
Thanks Condorita. I see you are living up to your "grammer cop" label. I knew the possessive was wrong, unless I was saying "Some clyde's bodies will never be below 200". I appreciate pointing out the then/than sequence. In my little pea brain I will try to remember the "a" in than, goes with the "a" in alternative. The "e" in then goes with the "e" in sequence. So I have a weird way of remembering things.
But, then after this lesson I will have better grammar Still I would rather be riding than learning grammar

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Holy smokes! And I'm going to try to keep up with you on Saturday?...20 mph average on SART is really fast!
It's NOT normal!!! NOWAY. . . Typical is 18ish. . .
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Regarding #3, the 100 calories... I've seen a few different sources state calories burned per hour of cycling at about 15mph is anywhere from 700 to high 800's. Here's one:

http://www.fitpronutrition.com/main.asp?nID=803

You're looking at around 2 measley miles for 100 calories. That seems too easy to me. Can anyone point to an authoritative resource for calculating calorie burn while cycling?
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Regarding #3, the 100 calories... I've seen a few different sources state calories burned per hour of cycling at about 15mph is anywhere from 700 to high 800's. Here's one:

http://www.fitpronutrition.com/main.asp?nID=803

You're looking at around 2 measley miles for 100 calories. That seems too easy to me. Can anyone point to an authoritative resource for calculating calorie burn while cycling?

I can tell you that my Garmin software will tell me completely different for the same distance, as it uses my heart rate to figure out the calories burned. As an example I will ride a 40 mile route and it will take 2 hours and 10 minutes on one ride and I will burn say 3000 calories. The same exact ride the next day will take 2 hours and 30 minutes, but will be 2700 calories because of a slower pace and a lower heart rate, even though I was on the bike longer. These are examples only. I remember having my 40 mile loop being within a minute of the previous day, and the calories burned were over 250 difference. The difference was in the heart rate comparison. I think my high on one day was 25 less than the other.
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Can anyone point to an authoritative resource for calculating calorie burn while cycling?
Nope but a good rule of thumb is 33 calories a mile.
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