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Old 10-16-08, 12:25 PM   #1
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A New and Different question on Deep V's

I know there is a lot of info around here about the Velocity Deep V's but I have a question that I just can't find an answer to. If it has been answered elsewhere I apologize in advance.

So I have attached two images that have diagrams of wheel profile.
-The first says its a Deep V MTB rim and is 24mm wide and 32mm deep.
-The second one shows the Deep V , from the Velocity USA site, as meassuring
19mm wide and 30 mm deep.

So I went google'in and can't find anywhere that discusses the MTB version. I want to be able to run upto a 38 tire on the wheels so the added width and depth are very appealing. I think I'd be pressed to put anything over 32 on the std Deep V's but I could be wrong.

I came across a amaizing deal (it apears) on a wheel set made with the Deep V MTB and I sent the place an email. I will also call them in a bit to see if they have an explination of the differences. So anyone know what the story is? Any and all help will be appreciated as I am new to all the technical stuff on modern bicycles and I am trying to avoid the pit falls being the newbie can have.

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Old 10-16-08, 12:33 PM   #2
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Well what type of bike are you riding?

Roadies, touring bikes use the 700 standard DeepV. Tall thin wheel.

MTB V's are for 26 inch wheels. Shorter wider wheels like those on mountain bikes.

You cannot put a 700c wheel on a mountain bike.
You cannot put an mtb wheel on a 700 c standard roadie frame or hybrid if it has 700 wheels..

The brakes bosses (holders) are weled onto the frames in certain areas to match the wheels. SO they are not interchangeable (mtb and 700 V's).

If you have a roadie, you need 700 V's (tall and norrow)

If you have a mountain bike, you need mtb v's (short and wide)

A 700 tire will not fit an mtb rim either. Nor will an mtb tire fit on a 700 rim (standard road rim)

WHAT KIND OF BIKE ARE YOU RIDING????????

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Old 10-16-08, 12:43 PM   #3
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Ok I understand the difference on diameters. I thought maybe the Deep V MTB was maybe a 29er style or something as there was not a diameter listed anywhere.

I am building up a bike from a Specialized Crossroads Cruz (stop giggling )

It uses canti breaks. I want to run a Deep V with the widest tire I can use up to 38, not sure if I need the 38 or if the 32 will be ok. I am 302lbs and dropping. I will be using a Deore 9 speed deraillure and a single speed crank(not sure which yet). Basicly trying to set up a simple 9 speed thats sturdy enough for me to ride on the flat Ohio roads. I don't do the Cylcocross, road to dirt thing, so all my riding is on country flat roads in decent shape for the most part.

Sorry for not including the bike info right off.

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Old 10-16-08, 12:45 PM   #4
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The fact you mention 28 and 38's, I;'m figuring you have 700 wheels on a hybrid.

MTB wheel will not fit. They ar 26 in can usually labeled (26.2.1) or(26x1.5). Just examples.

On more curent roadie frames, it hard enough to fit a 700x 25. I have 700x 28 on our tandem.

If your'e talking about 700x38's on a roadie, forget about it!
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Nobody is giggling, hybrids are cool!

My wife has a Specialized Crossroads Hybrid (1995'ish). It has 700x 38 tires and also cantilever brakes.

I measure the rims and they measure .900 of an inch (9/10)

I also measure the Deep V on my roadie, it measures .750 of an inch.

Big difference in my opinion. I don't think I'd try the 38's on the V.

Maybe another poster has them, maybe they will chime in, but I wouldn't try it myself!
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Well you are correct they finally responded to my email, they are 26". The bike has a 38 on it now, but the rims and hunbs are flimsy for my size. I was looking for a decent priced, strong rim to build a wheel set from to replace the oem ones. I guess I will look at something else, I will not feel comfortable on something smaller than a 32 wide tire. Atleast not till I get a few more lbs off.

Off i go to do more research.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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Velocity site with sizes. I don't see a 29 er.



http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=514
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Well you are correct they finally responded to my email, they are 26". The bike has a 38 on it now, but the rims and hunbs are flimsy for my size. I was looking for a decent priced, strong rim to build a wheel set from to replace the oem ones. I guess I will look at something else, I will not feel comfortable on something smaller than a 32 wide tire. Atleast not till I get a few more lbs off.

Off i go to do more research.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.
I have a bud that is 278 lbs riding Mavic Ksyriums. I think they are 24(?) bladed spokes. I wouldn't but he does. He did end up braking a spoke but the rides plenty of roadies. Other riders that weight less than I do have thrashed the same rims.

But I haven't thrashed a Deep V. No way are they flimsy! I have them on our tandem with a combined wieght of over 420 lbs. Not flimsy at all! That is with 700x28 wheels. Specialized Armadillo tires.

I honestly think you would be fine, V's are overbuilt. Plus you can find them online for about $50.

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Looking at the different ones on the site, it appears the Blunt, Dyad and Synergy rims are all suggested as 29er capable. Just need to research the different ones on price to build and riders experiences. I will go with the DeepV's if velocity replies with an ok to run a 32 on the rim. But I will also consider the others based on what I find as far as other clydes reults with them.

Hoping to be able to buy a built set using which ever rim I decide on and Deore hubs. Now I guess I need to start more research on reliably honest places that I can get them and the best bang for the buck.

Really appreciate the responses Mr. Beanz.

looking to do a 32 or 36 in a 3 pattern lace up
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I've got 32 3x on my V's with 15,000 no problems.

245 lbs on 700 x 23 tires

Be sure to have them retensioned after 200-300 miles. Us big guys rely on proper spoke tension. They will lose tension after a breakin period nomatter what the bilder says. Have had builders swear that they won't with all the fancy loctites they use, uhhh OK! They lose tension, believe me. If you don't retension, expect problems after app 3000 miles. That's less than a year when you enjoy riding your bike.
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Yup I have 700 miles + so far this season, starting to ride end of may, and I have already lost 45 lbs!

Well using the wheelbuilder on Universalcycles.com it looks like about 10-20 bucks difference between the Dyads and the Deep V's both using same stuff and 32 hole count. So I will likely go with the dyad for this build and then get the Deep V's next build which I am sure won't be too long with the addictive personality I have and the nature of this sport. I really want to build the Deep V's on a different set up anyways. This is really a beater build, I just know the wheels are where I need to spend the $ to counter my size.

Still going to hold off on buying for a few weeks so I might change my mind again, or a few dozen times

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Velocity site with sizes. I don't see a 29 er.

http://www.velocityusa.com/default.asp?contentID=514
Well, since "29'er" is marketing BS that really means "700c", you need to look under "700c".
Then look at the Dyad, Synergy, & Blunt. The descriptions all mention use as a "29'er".
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Thanks for posting this question as I too am looking for a 700c rim that would handle a tire larger than 32mm wide. I currently have the wheelset that came with my bike, Shimano R 500s, and their rims only measure 15mm wide. The bike came with 32mm tires, but from what I've read, I shouldn't go larger on this type of rim.

I have a "city speed" Orbea Aneto so I assume that it should be able to handle a wider tire since its not your traditional road bike.

I would like to hear what other 700c rim options are available for tires >32mm wide.

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Thanks for posting this question as I too am looking for a 700c rim that would handle a tire larger than 32mm wide. I currently have the wheelset that came with my bike, Shimano R 500s, and their rims only measure 15mm wide. The bike came with 32mm tires, but from what I've read, I shouldn't go larger on this type of rim.

I have a "city speed" Orbea Aneto so I assume that it should be able to handle a wider tire since its not your traditional road bike.

I would like to hear what other 700c rim options are available for tires >32mm wide.

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Have you looked at the Velocity Blunt? The rim it's self is 28mm.
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Have you looked at the Velocity Blunt? The rim it's self is 28mm.
Thanks for the tip, I will check it out.
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I've put 700-32's on my Deep V's as a test on my hybrid. They worked fine. The 38's are just too wide and did not feel safe.
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I use my deep v's with my cyclocross bike and they handle 700x32 with no problem..
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Thank you all for the replies. I recieved an email reply from Matt Dennis with VElocity USA, which I quoted below. I will be going with the Deep V's with a 32 - 35 tire (still deciding) when I do get the wheels. Right now I am still trying to decide my plan of attack on this build. I will start a seperate thread specific to the build shortly.

Thanks again.

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Thanks for your interest in Velocity USA. The Deep V is defiantly the rim for you. No question. We use to make the Deeps in MTB, which is mountain bike size, it was a little wider to fit a fatter tire but we donít make them anymore. You can fit up to a 35mm tire on the Deep V with no problems. They are a bomb proof rim, they stay true, and you will have them for many miles.

Let me know if you have any other questions. Iím happy to help.

Enjoy your weekend.

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