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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 12-01-08, 04:55 PM   #1
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Spouse says no more weight loss? (ramble)

So where can I get or who can I talk to to find out a good range for weight or for body fat %? I know BMI isn't good but when I started and was morbidly obese BMI and I was very round it was obvious I was in poor health. Now well I think I weigh too much and having a 46" waist is a bad heath thing as well so I don't think I'm there yet. My doctor is not help but there has to be someone who can give me some body fat % goal or something? Any other advice to settle this little dispute is most welcome

Right now my hard fought compromise of a goal is 240 but really that is still way high at least based on my current fitness level and physical shape. I can’t do weights so I’m not very muscular except my cycling legs.


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My wife doesn't want me looking like skelator (which I apparently used to ) or getting some eating disorder (which all my friends parents growing up thought I had) and melting away. So today upon reading my weight in on the biggest loser thread reminds me 6 more pounds and that is it

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Stepping into the way way way back machine.
Somewhere about 7th grade I believe I met a girl that would someday become my wife. My science teacher let me pick who I wanted as a lab partner since I got high score who woulda thunk it.

At the time I was 6'2" and perhaps 110. By the time I got into High School during my athletic "career" I was still pretty low in weight if I remember correctly the starting roster for freshman football RT: 207, RG: 170, C: 165, LG: 115, LT: 175 I guess Judo at a good Dojo since I was 5 made up for some weight difference The coaches constantly picked on me about it but hey they played me anyhow and even asked me to go up to varsity mid season.

Many eons pass. I was up around 300 after living in Texas a couple years. After some recent favor with the weight I was finally able to not put the second row of the medical scale up to 250 which to me was a pretty big deal.

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Old 12-01-08, 05:01 PM   #2
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You might try re-asking her how you look, and saying that you're hoping to drop 10 more pounds. 10 pounds doesn't sound like much, so she won't be worried about you becoming a toothpick right now.

When you hit 230, rinse and repeat.

Also, when you say you can't do weights, what do you mean? You might try doing some functional bodybuilding to generally put on a little muscular volume and tone, which will make you look much better for a given weight.
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Old 12-01-08, 05:33 PM   #3
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"Men with a waist circumference of 40 inches or greater and women with a waist circumference of 35 inches or greater are considered to have increased health risks related to obesity." (http://www.medicinenet.com/obesity_w...loss/page5.htm)

" Waist Circumference and Waist-Hip Ratio. The extent of abdominal fat can also be used in assessing risk of disease. Some studies suggest that:

* Women whose waistlines are over 31.5 inches and men whose waists measure over 37 inches should watch their weight.
* A waist size greater than 35 inches in women and 40 inches in men is associated with a higher risk for heart disease, diabetes, and impaired health.

Evidence strongly suggests that more body fat around the abdomen and hips (the apple-shape) is a more consistent predictor of heart problems and health risks than BMI.

The distribution of fat can be evaluated by dividing waist size by hip size. For example, a woman with a 30-inch waist and 40-inch hip circumference would have a ratio of 0.75; one with a 41-inch waist and 39-inch hips would have a ratio of 1.05. The lower the ratio the better. The risk of heart disease rises sharply for women with ratios above 0.8 and for men with ratios above 1.0."
(http://health.nytimes.com/health/gui...th-report.html)


Also, get a new doctor.
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Remind her of the health issues that come with being overweight...early death being one of them
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Also, get a new doctor.
This is what I was thinking.

I don't think your wife knows what a healthy range is for you personally, and it doesn't sound like you are 100% sure yourself. You need a doc who's willing to do his job.

Almost every resource I can find says (well) under 240 and pretty close to a 40" max.

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I am going to rock the boat. I can tell you at 6'3" tall I will want my weight to be under 200 pounds and I will still be fat heavy, unless I start working on a lot more weight lifting. If you are not muscle bound, then my guess "Yes, this is only a guess!!!", is that you would still be healthy under 200 pounds and not be too thin.

I am at 235 pounds and a 34" waist, and I would bet a lot of money that I am still 40 pounds of fat still on my body at a minimum and still have a 10% or higher body fat if I lost that much. BMI is a range, and is for an average. Unless you spend the money on a body fat water test, you will not know what your body fat percentage is.
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Also, when you say you can't do weights, what do you mean? You might try doing some functional bodybuilding to generally put on a little muscular volume and tone, which will make you look much better for a given weight.
I just mentioned that to reinforce I'm not muscular but the 46" waist probably was enough for that. Basically Marfan syndrome seriously restricts activity and it took many many years after I was diagnosed to even get cycling cleared, and no attempts at competive cycling. I mean technically I can lift weights I can do pretty much anything but I may not because of the increased risk.


I guess I do need to push my Dr or find another. I have tried a few of the quoted studies and such but with a study one day saying to this and one the next saying do that often they don't carry much influence around this household

Anyone ever have a similar issue or is it just me?

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Anyone ever have a similar issue or is it just me?
My wife wants me to go as far as I need to, but she will also do some checks on me from time to time to make sure I am not going to an extreme. She now knows that I want to do a half marathon at a minimum in 2009, so she knows I need to lose at least 40 more pounds. She likes where I am now, but understands that 40 more pounds of fat will still have me somewhat overweight.
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Get a new doctor.

This is what I was thinking.
Ditto. My doctor is not shy at all about telling me what my goals are--or at least, should be. Your health should be your doctor's first concern!
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Check to see if your local university has a hydrostatic weighing system. This way you can get a completely accurate measurement of body fat %. Then decide what your ideal % is. With these two measurements, you'll have a good idea of what your ideal weight is. Add a couple of pounds if you are weight training to allow for muscle mass. But that would be what I would recommend.
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EV, there is a Cooper Aerobics Center on 121 right around the Frisco/McMinny border. They have every known manner of body fat measurement technique known to man.

I just wish I could afford the cost of almost living there, lol.
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Old 12-01-08, 09:21 PM   #12
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Marfans has some specific risks, since it's a connective tissue disorder, but at 180 and 6'3", you will still be at the bottom healthy range of weight, however, since you've dropped from 300 pounds, you will have about 15 lbs of excess skin to factor for as well, since the extra skin you grew to cover you at that size doesn't go away.

I'd place your minimum weight and have decent muscle volume at 195, at a guess.

As to weight training, you may get better results from low intensity elastic resistance training rather than free weight training, since you have Marfans. It will strengthen your connective tissue in the joints and muscle/ligaments surrounding the joint capsules without weight stress on them. Definitely keep an orthopedist in the loop as well, and make sure that he is current on training and safety requirements for a person with your condition and how to maximize your results rather than discourage you. I'd also suggest a physical therapist who specializes in exercise kinesiology as well to prevent injury to the maximum extent possible.
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What Aidan and txvintage said would be the ideal. Googling for 'body fat percentage' gives a recommendation between 8-14% for men.

Beyond that, I would go by how you feel. When I was slim, I found that over 127 pounds or so, I felt sluggish and my energy levels would drop, never mind how I feel as an Athena now. By the same token, if I was under 112 pounds or so, my energy levels would drop and I would feel anemic and unhealthy as well. For me, it just felt the best energy and health wise between 118 to 123 pounds. At 5'2", some people now days might still have considered that a bit over weight, but it's when I felt great and I liked my hour glass figure.
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My wife tried to tell me how much weight I could lose. I didn't listen, in fact I didn't even factor it in. If I can pinch it, then I can lose it. She figured it out realized that it was just her insecurities projected on me. She's over it and all is well.
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Hm I'm going to try and give the coopers center a call to see what they could do. Perhaps some kind of evaluation will give me something more concrete to target.

I'll talk to my doctors about low intensity elastic resistance training and if it is low enough and smooth enough to my blood pressure/pulse it might be ok even if it has to be modified somewhat. If it is of any benefit to my muscles/ligaments I'd hope that would be good long term. Probably have to call john hopkins on it though as the only thing i've found a Dr able to do is actually schedule lab test and send results up there. Buncha maroons.

But back on topic all good ideas.. And the last comment from aenlaasu should come in handy since my wife is 5'2" and having crazy target weight ideas herself
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Good luck with Cooper. Let us know how things work out.

Edit: Yikes. I hope they offer a body fat measurement as a sperate sevice and not just as a part of their physical evaluation package. I don't think most insurance is going to cover all the things they talk about and it's not cheap!

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