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    Do you really want it?

    I've been thinking a lot recently about what caused the diet and exercise changes to stick this time. I've tried a few times before to lose weight, and did for a few weeks. Then went back to old habits. So what was different now?

    I really, down to the core, wanted it. The other times I tried, I didn't really want it, it just seemed like it would be a good thing to do. So I played at it. Didn't take it seriously. Just played at it.

    This time was different. I started snoring. I had sleep apnia. My BP was much too high. I went to the ER thinking I had a heart attack 16 months ago (turned out to be anxiety). I had heart palpitations. To be blunt, I was scared. This time, I really wanted to lose the weight. Need had nothing to do with it. Knowing it would me me healthier had nothing to do with it.

    I wanted it. Badly. So I did it. I made all of the changes that needed to be made for the weight loss to stick. I woke up in the morning one day, got on the scale, and made all those changes. No going back, no scaling down. All at once.

    On reading some of the posts on this forum, I question whether some of you have the commitment required, have the want required. Are you playing at loosing weight? Or are you going to do it. Now. Cut out the junk, cut out the soda, drink lots of water, scale back the intake, get on the bicycle or hit the gym at a minimum of 4 days a week for an hour of exercise each time (wandering from machine to machine at the gym isn't time spent exercising!). As they say in the ad, Just do it!

    For those of you that want to lose weight, good luck. Make the changes you need and do it. But you have to really want it. No excuses.

    --Rant over--
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    Amen! Snoring, HBP, visit to the ER that is me also. Don't know that I am scared, but I did realize I could be feeling and living a lot better. Gotta do it!

    Good rant!

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    Perfect post Joel. The same things were true for me. At 25 years old I was on blood pressure meds, had zero energy and zero confidence. I didn't want to be that way anymore. I got up one morning, begged for help spiritually and then took the ACTION to change my life. That same day I signed up at the gym, threw away the cigarettes, and started to change. I ate a structured diet and went to the gym everyday. I have since dropped 58lbs even through all the life challenges that have been thrown my way this year. A month from yesterday will be one year since joining the gym. I've defintitely gotten a little too comfortable with where I'm at as far as my weight. I've been in the same range for months due to a LACK OF WILLINGNESS to continue the changes. I made a commitment again today to cut the calories, be more consistent with workouts, and get down to 250lbs before my 1 year "anniversary." I have 10lbs to go in 1 month. 250 was the goal I set when I started. I think I will re-evaluate that goal and shoot to get down to 225 by next year.

    By the way, within 6 weeks of starting my workouts and quitting smoking I was getting REALLY dizzy everytime I stood up. I went to the doctor and my blood pressure was 89/56. I got to come off the meds and my BP is now between 120/80 and 140/90 everytime I've checked it since. Amazing. . . I can't even begin to describe how much my life has changed. . .

    I think its CRAZY how the Monday after New Years there were literally TWICE as many people at the gym as usual. Already the numbers have dropped significantly and I'm sure that within a month or so, it will be back to the way it was before New Years. I'm happy to be one of the people who gets to stick around and watch the "casual" diet/exercise people come and go. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
    I've been thinking a lot recently about what caused the diet and exercise changes to stick this time. I've tried a few times before to lose weight, and did for a few weeks. Then went back to old habits. So what was different now?

    I really, down to the core, wanted it. The other times I tried, I didn't really want it, it just seemed like it would be a good thing to do. So I played at it. Didn't take it seriously. Just played at it.

    This time was different. I started snoring. I had sleep apnia. My BP was much too high. I went to the ER thinking I had a heart attack 16 months ago (turned out to be anxiety). I had heart palpitations. To be blunt, I was scared. This time, I really wanted to lose the weight. Need had nothing to do with it. Knowing it would me me healthier had nothing to do with it.

    I wanted it. Badly. So I did it. I made all of the changes that needed to be made for the weight loss to stick. I woke up in the morning one day, got on the scale, and made all those changes. No going back, no scaling down. All at once.

    On reading some of the posts on this forum, I question whether some of you have the commitment required, have the want required. Are you playing at loosing weight? Or are you going to do it. Now. Cut out the junk, cut out the soda, drink lots of water, scale back the intake, get on the bicycle or hit the gym at a minimum of 4 days a week for an hour of exercise each time (wandering from machine to machine at the gym isn't time spent exercising!). As they say in the ad, Just do it!

    For those of you that want to lose weight, good luck. Make the changes you need and do it. But you have to really want it. No excuses.

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    Hi Joel,

    I agree with a lot of your post. But there are many roads to Rome. And some folks find the road tougher than others. Some of us fall off at times. Like me.

    Your comment about folks not having the commitment required is the scream of a reformed wh*r*. I'm happy for you, but please don't go around judging other folks, least of all on the basis of posts here. I've tried not to be, although I've lost twice as much weight as you and have to work harder to ride than you do.

    You also have to accept that some people want to be overweight. This was very hard for me to accept at first, but I've come to that conclusion. That's OK. They've made their choice. They can post here too.

    Neil B.

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    +1 to all of the above. You are absolutely right! Just like my football coach used to say, "Ya Gotta Wanna..."

    I've quite smoking hundreds of times but the last time I really wanted to quit -- for me, no other reason. That's why I succceded (18 years ago) "Ya Gotta Wanna."
    I just have to get into that mindset again about getting healthy, excercise, weight, finances, etc, etc, etc. "I Gotta Wanna..."

    Thank you for reminding me.
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    Four day a week minimum doesn't sound like much of a committment to me. I shoot for an hour a day, 7 days a week and hit it most of the time. Also try to stretch that to a couple hours plus at least a day or two a week.

    My point is, whatever you do, if it works for you, great. Don't try to compare your committment level based on reading the posts here. As The Historian pointed out, many had to overcome a heck of a lot more than you could imagine just to roll out the door (right Mr. Stormcrowe?).

    I didn't return to cycling 16 months ago to lose weight (although I needed to lose weight) or to get exercise (although I needed exercise badly), I did it because I rediscovered how fun it is! I continue to ride because I enjoy it. Yeah, mornings like today when I'm fighting 26+ MPH headwinds with 36+ MPH gusts as I commute to work I question my concept of fun. But, if the winds hold till I get off work, the ride home will be well worth the price of admission!

    The one thing virtually everyone here has in common is we are in better shape than we were last year but not in as good of shape as we will be next year. We are on a journey. You aren't the most committed one here and you aren't the least committed one here. That's OK, there is a place here for all of us.

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    Neil, you read too much into my post. I'm not judging anyone. I'm relating what worked for me, and something that I found that applies to a lot of folks (the wanting part). If you don't want something, you aren't going to work for it. If you want it bad enough, you'll find a way. There are obviously exceptions.

    I also understand that some folks want to be overweight, and are happy with where they are and who they are.

    But there are others that I've met that say they are trying to lose weight, but they aren't doing anything to do so. No changes in diet, no increases in exercise. No effort or commitment to make it happen. It's like they think that the weight will come off on its own. That doesn't happen, as you well know.

    The other danger is complacency.
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    I dunno. I take your post at a different angle. If you had lost weight because you wanted to better your cycling performance or something similar, I would think that's "wanting it". Or just waking up one day and deciding you don't want to be overweight anymore. It's cool that you decided to take care of yourself after some health issues, but IMO that's more like "scared straight" rather than "wanting it".


    Your words give a sense of scared straight IMO:


    "I went to the ER thinking I had a heart attack 16 months ago (turned out to be anxiety). I had heart palpitations. To be blunt, I was scared. This time, I really wanted to lose the weight. Need had nothing to do with it. Knowing it would me me healthier had nothing to do with it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
    Neil, you read too much into my post. I'm not judging anyone. I'm relating what worked for me, and something that I found that applies to a lot of folks (the wanting part). If you don't want something, you aren't going to work for it. If you want it bad enough, you'll find a way. There are obviously exceptions.

    I also understand that some folks want to be overweight, and are happy with where they are and who they are.

    But there are others that I've met that say they are trying to lose weight, but they aren't doing anything to do so. No changes in diet, no increases in exercise. No effort or commitment to make it happen. It's like they think that the weight will come off on its own. That doesn't happen, as you well know.

    The other danger is complacency.
    "On reading some of the posts on this forum, I question whether some of you have the commitment required, have the want required."

    Sounds judgmental to me. I don't recall ever reading such words from either Tom Stormcrowe or Bdinger. Both gentlemen have lost twice what I have - and four times your 60 pounds.

    And yes, there are people here who probably aren't doing enough to lose weight. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to post about it unless they bring up the subject and solicit opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    "On reading some of the posts on this forum, I question whether some of you have the commitment required, have the want required."

    Sounds judgmental to me. I don't recall ever reading such words from either Tom Stormcrowe or Bdinger. Both gentlemen have lost twice what I have - and four times your 60 pounds.

    And yes, there are people here who probably aren't doing enough to lose weight. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to post about it unless they bring up the subject and solicit opinions.
    Ok, point noted. I phrased it poorly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    I dunno. I take your post at a different angle. If you had lost weight because you wanted to better your cycling performance or something similar, I would think that's "wanting it". Or just waking up one day and deciding you don't want to be overweight anymore. It's cool that you decided to take care of yourself after some health issues, but IMO that's more like "scared straight" rather than "wanting it".


    Your words give a sense of scared straight IMO:


    "I went to the ER thinking I had a heart attack 16 months ago (turned out to be anxiety). I had heart palpitations. To be blunt, I was scared. This time, I really wanted to lose the weight. Need had nothing to do with it. Knowing it would me me healthier had nothing to do with it."
    It had a bearing. But even so, it was several months after this that I decided it was enough and I wanted to lose the weight. My point is that if you (generic you, not specific) don't want something bad enough, you won't make the changes required. I decided I wanted to make the changes as I wasn't happy with where I was at. The *want* part was strong enough that I was able to make the changes where I had only played at it before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    I dunno. I take your post at a different angle. If you had lost weight because you wanted to better your cycling performance or something similar, I would think that's "wanting it". Or just waking up one day and deciding you don't want to be overweight anymore. It's cool that you decided to take care of yourself after some health issues, but IMO that's more like "scared straight" rather than "wanting it".


    Your words give a sense of scared straight IMO:


    "I went to the ER thinking I had a heart attack 16 months ago (turned out to be anxiety). I had heart palpitations. To be blunt, I was scared. This time, I really wanted to lose the weight. Need had nothing to do with it. Knowing it would me me healthier had nothing to do with it."
    I agree. A wonderful post, Mr. Beanz.

    BTW, my 'scared straight' moment was identical to Joel's - I was also hospitalized with a suspected heart attack. My reason for the weight loss and lifestyle change was a little different than his, however. I didn't fear death, I feared not being able to take care of myself. I became a changed person when the nurse said she wanted me on oxygen. I was horrified to be hooked to a machine. At that moment I thought "this is my future." Since it was three days before Christmas, I immediately thought of Scrooge in the graveyard staring at his headstone.

    "Before I draw nearer to that stone to which you point," said Scrooge, "answer me one question. Are these the shadows of the things that Will be, or are they shadows of things that May be, only? Men's courses will foreshadow certain ends, to which, if persevered in, they must lead. But if the courses be departed from, the ends will change. Say it is thus with what you show me."

    I asked to have the O2 test performed again, and somehow I managed to register above the minimum level. That moment is where all my changes spring from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
    Ok, point noted. I phrased it poorly.


    No, I dont think you phrased it poorly, and I dont think you were being judgemental either. I think you were pointing out facts. If you really, really wanna, then you will. I havent lost a ton of weight myself, but I did lose around 45 lbs the last time I weighed, and think I even lost some more judging by my clothes I wear. I'm with you on your post. It was spot-on with no sugar coating. A complete reality check in the real world. Your post made a lot of sence to me though, and reminded me of my own demons I've had in the past that really put the fear in me, like what you experienced with your ER visit. For me, my reality check was an aborted heart attack (thats right, there is such a thing) that eventually caused me to undergo heart by-pass surgery in '97. (Trust me, you dont want any of that) I was a two and a half pack a day smoker for 28 years and also diabetic, and the smoking ended that day. I have been exercising ever since, but didnt pick up bike riding until March of 2000.

    I still have some more weight to lose though, and your post was just a reminder of what I have to do to make it happen. Sure, I've slacked off from commitments, I think we all do to a point, but you have to "get back on it" and see it through. You have to "wanna"!!.....and if you dont "wanna" enough.....then you aint "gonna"!!
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    Sometimes things are more complicated than just wanting it. My family operates a food vending business that has uneven seasonal time commitments. This year during Sep and Oct I was working a lot of 16-18 hour days M-F and 8 hours/day on the weekends. It is very hard to sleep properly and eat a healthy breakfast when doing this and very hard to get in even a couple hours of exercise per week. So I had a bit of a backslide during this 2 month period. However, I still was able to lose 15 pounds from mid-summer to now. I'm working really hard at it now during the slower time. As long as I'm working this type of schedule I just have to get after it harder during the slow times and then allow myself to take a break from weight loss when work takes priority. My goal is just to not backslide this year duing the busy times.

    I think I can agree somewhat with the OP, though. You have to want it for yourself, rather than do it because your doctor or your sweetie says they want you to do it. It was the same when I quit smoking. My first 4 attempts failed because I was doing it to please others. The last time I was doing it to please myself and it succeeded.

    But again, there are often extenuating circumstances and some people have much bigger hills to climb than others, so there isn't a perfect correlation between desire and results. I don't think it is passing judgement on anyone to say that we could all probably benefit by improving our commitment.

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