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    wheel question

    I've searched for the last hour and haven't been able to find what I'm looking for.

    I'm looking for a wheel set that is bombproof, mostly because i'm over 210 lbs. and will do all sorts of riding, from commuting, ie potholes and such, to some trail riding. I don't want to have to worry about getting them trued every other week.

    As some of you know, I recently bought a redline conquest pro...rear spacing is 135mm...it's also got disc brakes.

    Any suggestions?

    1. extremely durable
    2. disc brakes
    3. 135 mm
    4. 700c

    Thanks!

    Tyler

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    Try Universal cycles.

    You could get a hand built set of XT disc hub/ Mavic 317 rim / 36 spoke wheels for around $200

    I am sure others will have higher end recommendations. The wheel builder at Universal cycles allows you to try out different options to see how price is effected and adjust to your needs.

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    thanks. unfortunately, after doing some more research, it seems that i have the '06 model, which has 130 mm rear spacing. ugh. i'll figure something out :-)

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    Those mavic rims are nice, but you can get use an Ultegra hub with them and hand built.
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    Check out Ebay item #120336289046. $199 free shipping. XT hubs, Dt Swiss spokes and Mavic 319 rims. I got the same set from another Ebay seller, and they have been trouble free.
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    The biggest, most important thing is to have the wheel actually be properly tensioned and stress-relieved. Even a wheel with high-end parts will go out of true quickly if it hasn't been tensioned and stres-relieved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tydaddy View Post

    1. extremely durable
    2. disc brakes
    3. 135 mm
    4. 700c
    I'll agree with Wirehead: how the wheel is built is more important than what parts it's built with. A good wheelbuilder can make a bombproof wheel out of average components. A bad wheelbuilder can take very nice components and turn out crap.

    FWIW: I'm 6-foot-4 and 220 pounds when I shed my winter insulation. I've built my own wheels for 27 years. Since I found how to properly tension and stress-relieve wheels I haven't broken a single undamaged spoke (broke a couple after putting the chain into the wheel). I'm not gentle on wheels, either- since I ride recumbents, I can't "unweight" the wheel on rough stuff.

    My latest wheel has 36 double-butted spokes and a Velocity "Aero" rim. It's holding up fine. If you want bombproof, a 36-spoke wheel on a Mavic A719 will be more than adequate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chewybrian View Post
    Check out Ebay item #120336289046. $199 free shipping. XT hubs, Dt Swiss spokes and Mavic 319 rims. I got the same set from another Ebay seller, and they have been trouble free.
    XT hubs are 135mm, OP needs 130mm. So than means road based hubs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxgtr View Post
    XT hubs are 135mm, OP needs 130mm. So than means road based hubs.
    Waitaminute- they built a cross frame with 130mm OLD and disc brakes? What were they thinking?

    In any case, respacing hubs is no big deal. I have a 130mm OLD Deore XT hub on one bike right now (non-disc, though) and I've made 135mm OLD Ultegra hubs. Any competent bike mechanic can do this.
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    I run a Mavic A719 40 spoke with a Phil Woods hub. It is a tough wheel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tydaddy View Post
    ...rear spacing is 135mm...it's also got disc brakes.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaxgtr View Post
    XT hubs are 135mm, OP needs 130mm. So than means road based hubs.
    ????????????

    I think he wanted 135. Anyway, I went through a similar search, and 700c with disc is somewhat rare. I ended up finding options on Ebay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tydaddy View Post
    thanks. unfortunately, after doing some more research, it seems that i have the '06 model, which has 130 mm rear spacing. ugh. i'll figure something out :-)
    I think you are reading something wrong. w00die's link shows that the hubs are 135mm XT. Shimano hasn't made a 130mm XT hub since the late 90's.

    Here's another wheelset from Cambria. You also want to look for 29er wheels. Those are just 700C in disguise.
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    Do mountain bike rear hubs normally have 36 spokes? For heavy riders, I would recommend a minimum of 36 spokes. There's no question that more spokes make a wheel stronger, all other things being equal. And the weight cost is minimal. In fact, I'm dismayed that there is such a trend for reducing the number of spokes on road bikes. There isn't much good reason to do this.

    If you want me to build you a wheel, I can do that for you, and I'll guarantee the results. I don't do this for a living, but I used to. If you like your hub, we can put a new rim on it. I once built a wheel for a tandem rider. He said he destroyed his rear wheel on every trip. He and his wife took a trip on the wheel I built for him, and not only was it not destroyed, he said it was still as straight as an arrow.
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    OP-

    FSA RD-460 wheels? if so, they are 24 hole.

    Phil Wood,Velocity,Joytech and a couple others make 130mm disc hubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
    I think you are reading something wrong. w00die's link shows that the hubs are 135mm XT. Shimano hasn't made a 130mm XT hub since the late 90's.

    Here's another wheelset from Cambria. You also want to look for 29er wheels. Those are just 700C in disguise.

    I thought I had the '07 model, but it's def an '06 which has 130mm rear spacing.

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    i guess it would help if i actually posted the picture...lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by tydaddy View Post
    I thought I had the '07 model, but it's def an '06 which has 130mm rear spacing.
    I thought you were talking about the wheels...not the bike However, you what to take the wheel you currently have out and physically measure the dropout. If the bike was set up for discs, as it appears to be, I'd suspect that the true dropout width is 132.5. There aren't many 130mm discs hubs available. Using the 132.5mm dropout width, Redline could make the bike for both the rim brake market and the disc brake market.
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    It looks like the rear wheel has 24 spokes. Not enough, in my estimation, so you need a new hub and a new rim.

    If you can't find a ready-made wheel with the components you want, have the parts sent to me, and I'll build the wheel for a very reasonable fee.

    If you can't find a 135mm hub, we can probably change the axle and add spacers to make it wide enough. It's an aluminum frame, right? If it's steel, you can use a narrower hub without worry.
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    Yea, it's aluminum. And I'm thinking I'm going to need an altogether new wheelset. Apparently there are a few companies out there that make a 130mm disc compatible hub, velocity, chris king, etc. Right now, I don't think I have the money for what it's going to cost, but I do want to get some ideas in my head...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soil_Sampler View Post
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    FSA RD-460 wheels? if so, they are 24 hole.

    Phil Wood,Velocity,Joytech and a couple others make 130mm disc hubs.

    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by noglider View Post
    Do mountain bike rear hubs normally have 36 spokes? For heavy riders, I would recommend a minimum of 36 spokes. There's no question that more spokes make a wheel stronger, all other things being equal. And the weight cost is minimal. In fact, I'm dismayed that there is such a trend for reducing the number of spokes on road bikes. There isn't much good reason to do this.

    If you want me to build you a wheel, I can do that for you, and I'll guarantee the results. I don't do this for a living, but I used to. If you like your hub, we can put a new rim on it. I once built a wheel for a tandem rider. He said he destroyed his rear wheel on every trip. He and his wife took a trip on the wheel I built for him, and not only was it not destroyed, he said it was still as straight as an arrow.
    Most MTB's are built with 36 spoke wheels, even higher end ones, although I see a few now with less. On trails, even small riders need tough wheels.

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    Right, but I thought that tydaddy has a mountain bike, but he doesn't. I guess his bike would be called a cyclocross bike. 24 spokes? That's just crazy. What are these people thinking?

    tydaddy, in the meantime, you can help your wheels by overinflating your tires. I've heard that the tire makers test their tires at twice the rating, so if your tires are rated at 100 psi, 140 psi or so will help with your size, and the risk of a blowout isn't bad.
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    since you dont have the money to replace them any way why dont you give them a chance and see how they do. it might be a good idea to run it by your lbs and have the spokes retensioned. my sequoia has 28 rear and 24 front spokes and i have not been easy on them. some of the bridges on the mup are tough and im 335 lbs last weigh in. i do run 130-140 psi in the tires and have only been riding this bike since last fall so time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
    Most MTB's are built with 36 spoke wheels, even higher end ones, although I see a few now with less. On trails, even small riders need tough wheels.
    Most of them are 32...not 36. Even cheap mountain bikes usually use 32 spokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
    Most of them are 32...not 36. Even cheap mountain bikes usually use 32 spokes.
    This trend of fewer spokes really dismays me. In the 60's, rear wheels had 40 spokes and fronts had 36. In the 70's and 80's, both wheels had 36 spokes.

    The market is selling us stuff that needs more frequent repair. Worse, a wheel with a broken spoke is harder to ride than before, because each spoke plays a bigger role in keeping the wheel straight. People who ride for sport don't care as much as those who ride for utility, but I think everyone should care.
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