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    I dropped a roadie...

    I was about 5 miles into my 34 mile ride this morning. The weather was warm, and the roadies have reemerged.

    I passed a smaller, younger roadie on the North Branch MUP near Glencoe, IL. I was going about 19 mph he was clearly slower. I also kept my speed up.

    I was surprised to find him right on my @ss a mile later, so I yelled “go-around”, pulled to the right and slowed.

    The dumb-@ss hit me from behind. His right shoulder hit my left back-side and he went down!

    I stopped, turned around and asked him if he was OK. No reply. I looked him over and asked again “are you OK," no reply. I told him that if he says nothing, I’m just going to leave.

    As I rode away he said, “I didn’t expect you to slow down"!

    Cry-baby! Is there any-way that I was at fault?

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    Great job ! Alaways nice to DROP some roadie GREAT job specialy if it was one a those complete kit $$$$ skiinny weight wennies !

    I saw one today obviously struggling from setting on his arse all winter I thought about turning around just to drop him on my Comfort bike

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    And, it really hurt to have it done with a Crosstrail!!!! LOL

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    You shouldn't have slowed. He'd have gone around you if he could have. What you should have done was accelerate and leave him behind. IMO, you are partially at fault. If you hadn't slowed down, he wouldn't have run into you. Course, if he hadn't been drafting, he wouldn't have gone down either.

    By "dropping a roadie" you leave him in the dust. Not knock him on his butt. Next time, really drop him. Don't slow down and make them run into you.

    Incidentally, I'm now one of those skinny roadies that wears a "kit." Not all of the roadies started out skinny, some of us were Clyde's once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
    You shouldn't have slowed. He'd have gone around you if he could have.


    By "dropping a roadie" you leave him in the dust. Not knock him on his butt. Next time, really drop him. Don't slow down and make them run into you.

    I understand that dropping a roadie means passing and leaving him/her behind. I actually did drop him, twice: once because I was faster, a second time because he had lost control of his bike after hitting another rider.

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    Something else occurs to me.

    Bikes don't have brake lights like cars do. If you know someone is behind you, and close, then you need to signal that you intend to slow. There is a hand signal for slowing. http://www.inlandempirecycling.com/C...nd_signals.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
    Something else occurs to me.

    Bikes don't have brake lights like cars do. If you know someone is behind you, and close, then you need to signal that you intend to slow. There is a hand signal for slowing. http://www.inlandempirecycling.com/C...nd_signals.htm
    I know you intend well here, but... I asked him to "go-around”, ... I then pulled to the right... and... after a delay... stopped cranking.

    I don't feel obligated to do more.

    I've done this dozens of times in the last year. Everyone else just goes around.

    This guy was determined to draft, come hell or high water. He found hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    I know you intend well here, but... I asked him to pass... then pulled to the right... and... after a delay... stopped cranking.
    If you had put that in your original post, I wouldn't have posted what I did. You didn't mention a delay after pulling right. You also said slowing, which I read as intentional active slowing/braking.

    Pulling to the right, then after a delay, coasting instead of pedaling. That's a different scenario altogether.

    He ought to have been paying more attention. Yup, no more from me on this.
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    Maybe he was hard of hearing.

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    If you slowed by braking, you'd be at fault, imo. If you slowed simply by stopping pedaling and he ran up your back, tough $hit for him.

    Bottom line is riding is similar to driving a car in that the trailing vehicle is responsible in the case of contact.

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    I wouldn't say you were necessarily at fault, he shoulda been paying attention, but it was kinda wussy of you to give a crap whether he was on your wheel or not. You coulda just kept doing your ride. Making sudden moves when someone you don't know is in close proximity is tempting disaster...even if it is for the other guy most times.
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    You really dropped the guy.

    He should have been paying more attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    ...it was kinda wussy of you to give a crap whether he was on your wheel or not...
    I have to disagree and the suggestion creates a double bind. I'm told to not give a crap yet I'm also told not do anything unpredictable.

    Huh?

    What if I needed to avoid a pothole or glass on the pavement?

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    Not your fault bud. Roadie guy has to be pretty dumb to draft a guy on a non-road bike and then assume that he would know the drafting etiquette. Even so you warned himů

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    I have to disagree and the suggestion creates a double bind. I'm told to not give a crap yet I'm also told not do anything unpredictable.

    Huh?

    What if I needed to avoid a pothole or glass on the pavement?

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    What if little green men zapped you with a death ray? I suggested you just ride your ride and let the bozo on your wheel fend for himself...if something happens and it causes an accident, oh well, at least is wasn't YOU doing something because you feel pissy that caused it....I hope you can see the difference.

    I mean really, why is someone on your wheel so intolerable to you? I know how you feel, I've felt the same way many times...hollering at them to do some work, slowing for them to pass, or just riding them off my wheel...but at least I can see that my reasoning is purely because I'm feeling pissy they have invaded my space. It's a character flaw in all of us that is kinda silly, don't you think? I guess I'm just trying to hold myself to a higher standard and taking it out on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
    What if little green men zapped you with a death ray? I suggested you just ride your ride and let the bozo on your wheel fend for himself...if something happens and it causes an accident, oh well, at least is wasn't YOU doing something because you feel pissy that caused it....I hope you can see the difference.

    I mean really, why is someone on your wheel so intolerable to you? I know how you feel, I've felt the same way many times...hollering at them to do some work, slowing for them to pass, or just riding them off my wheel...but at least I can see that my reasoning is purely because I'm feeling pissy they have invaded my space. It's a character flaw in all of us that is kinda silly, don't you think? I guess I'm just trying to hold myself to a higher standard and taking it out on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoelS View Post
    You shouldn't have slowed. He'd have gone around you if he could have. What you should have done was accelerate and leave him behind. IMO, you are partially at fault. If you hadn't slowed down, he wouldn't have run into you. Course, if he hadn't been drafting, he wouldn't have gone down either.

    By "dropping a roadie" you leave him in the dust. Not knock him on his butt. Next time, really drop him. Don't slow down and make them run into you.

    Incidentally, I'm now one of those skinny roadies that wears a "kit." Not all of the roadies started out skinny, some of us were Clyde's once.
    +1 on thinking you meant leaving el roadie in the dust, not droping him to the ground.

    On the rest...I don't know. I agree that the guy should not have hopped on your tail, especially not so close that you only slowing down caused him to run into you. But, you knew he was back there. And, it sounded like you slowed down rather abruptly, with little warning. That aint cool.

    I say, you're both at fault. You may not want to do that again.

    Next time, if you do not want a race, I'd suggest slowing very gradually and just letting him pass.

    It helps to remember that certain people do not like getting passed, and that those are the people that tend to give an extra kick when it happens. When you pass someone, expect that you will have to blow them away. Do not expect that to go easy either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    Dude, your trolling
    How is admitting that I may be taking out my own standards on you trolling?
    Do you even know what what a troll is?
    If anything...posting a thread about how one drops some roadie, literal or otherwise, is a classic BF troll.
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    i always go faster when someone is on my wheel, so I like it.

    also if it was apparent he was a fair weather rider out for the first ride of the year, then he is a poser not a roadie...at least that is how I understand the definitions to stand. Every "roadie" I know has tons of trainer miles at this point in the season...this may put me into the aformentioned poaser catagory, but at least I am a faster than that poor guy!

    Also if you simply stopped pedaling not your fault at all. If you slowed via braking then maybe just a little tiny bit, but still not really.

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    If you slammed on your brakes skidding to a stop, you still would not be at fault. Why would you draft a stranger on a MUP?

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    Poser for sure. A real "roadie" would not even be in the conversation; he would have been long gone.

    When I go to pass someone on the MUP, I expect it to be a job. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes the person just disappears behind me. But, oftentimes, it is a job because the guy refuses to drop and wants to hang. It stinks, because I hate passing someone only to have them pass me again a minute later. So, then I have to push it.

    Just say'n....expect that to happen.

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    I really did not expect the guy to hit me. When he did, I stopped to make sure that he was OK.

    I never race when I ride. If I see a faster rider slow for water or traffic, I don't pass.

    If I see a rider maintaining a slower pace, I'll pass and I never see them again.

    This was different. He needed the draft to keep up with me and was intent on staying right there. When I saw that he was not going to pass, I told him to go around, pulled to the right edge of the path and slowed.

    Any normal rider using minimal judgment would have gone around without any issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baron von trail View Post
    Poser for sure. A real "roadie" would not even be in the conversation; he would have been long gone.

    When I go to pass someone on the MUP, I expect it to be a job. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes the person just disappears behind me. But, oftentimes, it is a job because the guy refuses to drop and wants to hang. It stinks, because I hate passing someone only to have them pass me again a minute later. So, then I have to push it.

    Just say'n....expect that to happen.

    Roadies ride the roads, muppets or muppies ride the MUPs.
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    And here I thought being a "roadie" just meant we rode our bikes on a paved road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    I have to disagree and the suggestion creates a double bind. I'm told to not give a crap yet I'm also told not do anything unpredictable.

    Huh?

    What if I needed to avoid a pothole or glass on the pavement?

    Michael
    Best way to get someone off your tail, lift your butt off the saddle and let a loud one go....

    My personal rules on drafting are rather simple,

    1) ask, so I know your there.
    2) Be willing to take a turn pulling as well....

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