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    Big Guy intro and questions??

    Hello all new guy here and wanted to say hi and ask for a bit of advice.

    Lately my old man (50 & 6'3 350lbs) has been having a lot of weight related health issues (heart attack last year and some blood flow probs in his legs more recently). He is getting medical help now and is expected to be fine and he intends to join a gym and i will be sure to make him stick to it. But seeing my old man with all these troubles is really hitting home for me as i too have killed my share of scales at 6' 285lbs and am 25 years old.

    I used to ride quite a bit when i was a kid and young teen (20kms was a normal ride for me, although im sure id be lucky to make it 1km now LOL) but when i was 15 i smashed my knee in a off road accident and never looked back. In fact eventually i took that bike cut it up and put a lawn mower engine in it.

    Well now i thinking that biking might be the PERFECT way to help me get myself back into some kinda shape. My knee has long since healed i still love playing in the dirt and i starting to miss the challenge and fun of gettign through a tuff tight trail. I will be joining the gym with my father as well(make it easier for him to stay commited if i am there) but figured the extra would not hurt.

    Witch brings me to my question. What bike should i be looking at?

    What i want:

    -Mountain bike with Front Suspenshion
    -good quality bike thats gona last a few years
    -durable enuff to handle the added heft of my gut and my inevitable falls (have not ridden a bicycle in 10 years but i do ride motorcycles)
    -And somthing thats not gona break the bank so around $300-$600CDN.

    So far the bike i most seriously considering is a Trek 820. ITs priced right, is steel framed (stronger?) and comes from what i understand is a very reputable company. But i dont really know a whole lot about the bikes. Even when i did ride i road a big box store special so this will be my first step into a quality bike.

    Anyways sorry for the longish post and thanx for a bit more motivation (seeing a big guy section on a bike fourm is very encuraging).
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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBear View Post
    Hello all new guy here and wanted to say hi and ask for a bit of advice.

    Lately my old man (50 & 6'3 350lbs) has been having a lot of weight related health issues (heart attack last year and some blood flow probs in his legs more recently). He is getting medical help now and is expected to be fine and he intends to join a gym and i will be sure to make him stick to it. But seeing my old man with all these troubles is really hitting home for me as i too have killed my share of scales at 6' 285lbs and am 25 years old.

    I used to ride quite a bit when i was a kid and young teen (20kms was a normal ride for me, although im sure id be lucky to make it 1km now LOL) but when i was 15 i smashed my knee in a off road accident and never looked back. In fact eventually i took that bike cut it up and put a lawn mower engine in it.

    Well now i thinking that biking might be the PERFECT way to help me get myself back into some kinda shape. My knee has long since healed i still love playing in the dirt and i starting to miss the challenge and fun of gettign through a tuff tight trail. I will be joining the gym with my father as well(make it easier for him to stay commited if i am there) but figured the extra would not hurt.

    Witch brings me to my question. What bike should i be looking at?

    What i want:

    -Mountain bike with Front Suspenshion
    -good quality bike thats gona last a few years
    -durable enuff to handle the added heft of my gut and my inevitable falls (have not ridden a bicycle in 10 years but i do ride motorcycles)
    -And somthing thats not gona break the bank so around $300-$600CDN.

    So far the bike i most seriously considering is a Trek 280. ITs priced right, is steel framed (stronger?) and comes from what i understand is a very reputable company. But i dont really know a whole lot about the bikes. Even when i did ride i road a big box store special so this will be my first step into a quality bike.

    Anyways sorry for the longish post and thanx for a bit more motivation (seeing a big guy section on a bike fourm is very encuraging).
    Okay, first of all, no front suspension that will come on a $300-$600 bike will be anywhere near capable of dealing with a 285lb rider (most are designed for 150-170lb riders). I think you mean the Trek 820 as there is no 280 on the Trek website.

    The 820 is fairly low on the food chain, if you really want a hard tail, look at the Trek 4300, while the suspension will still not be intended for a hefty rider, the components are up a level, it should still be in your price range (MSRP is CA$559.99 - although like many other things the MSRP and the actual dealer price are usually different). It's an AL frame, but AL frames are okay on mountain bikes, they can be just as strong as anything else. My Brother-in-law had one, as far as I know he still does. These bikes though are both intended for light off-road use, and less technical trails. Most other manufacturers have equivalent bikes, so if you go into a different store and say you were looking at bike X, they will know what in their own line would be similar.

    Where abouts in Canada are you, there may be a member nearby that would be willing to give you a hand finding something....

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    Oppss yes the 820 Trek was what i meant to type. As for were i am located i live in the waterloo ontario area.

    I know with my added heft no bikes gona work perfectly and more so i KNOW I will be a huge limiting factor now as i got plenty of strength but i lack any form of cardio.

    Bike up keep will not be much of an issue as i am pretty good with my hands being a mechanic and all so i not too worried i just dont want to buy a fairly expesive bie and find out i gona bend the frame and wheels first little bump i hit.

    Sounds like i i should be looking at the higher end of my budget and the 4300 originally and still is on my short list but my knolege of the cycling world is very little.

    I probly head down to the local shop sometime this week to ask some questions and see what i looking at cost wise.

    Thanx so far for the advice.

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    The Specialized Hard Rock Sport is the house Clyde bike and in your price range. My wife has a newer Trek 820 and I would not recomend it for off road use. The stock fork is crap and the geometry makes the bike pretty squirly on anything that resembles a downhill. The older rigid fork ones are a little better. You might want to check out Craigslist in your area. You could get a nicer bike than you could afford new that has just been sitting in someones garage for two years. If you go used try to get a 19 or 20 inch frame.
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    Well went down to the shop today. Talked to the guy their and he recomended two bikes for my size weight use and budget. One was a Trek 3700 and the Other was a Giant that i dont remeber the model.

    Gona go back on the weekend to try em out and i go from their. But of the two i kinda liked the Giant better looks and feel wise.

    Thanx guys so far for all the help. I never thought id be excited to go back to non motoruzed two wheels LOL.

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    If you go the hardrock route buy an older one. The new ones are complete crap compared to one that is two to three years old and the new ones are more expensive too! My blasphemy against the house bike aside (I own one too ), there is a couple things that you want to check for.

    Rims:

    Buy a bike that comes with double walled rims. Before you leave the shop ask them to remove the old rim tape and apply a thick cloth one. Most shops will do accessory installs for free on new bike purchases. Should cost about 10 dollars give or take. make sure you keep up with having your rims trued and retentioned. At 285lbs you should have next to no trouble especially if you master riding light in the saddle.

    Brakes:

    Don't be suckered into buying a bike just because it has disc brakes. Yes they are cool, but at your price point no they will not stop you any better than a properly adjusted V brake. What inexpensive disc brake set ups offer is a lot of time with a torx wrench adjusting pad clearance to stop the incessant squealing.

    Fork:

    Longer travel does not always equal better. What you want to look for is a bike that offers some type of lockout or at the least the ability to adjust the preload. being heavy you want the fork adjusted as high as it can go without being too snappy on the rebound. On road you want the fork locked out. I used to have a Dart 3 when I was 245lbs, I really liked it even though the lockout wasn't a true lock out. you could still compress it a bit. I believe the Dart 3 can be found on the 4500 as well as the similarly priced Gary Fisher. Believe me, it is much cheaper to buy as much bike as you can upfront vs. upgrading over time.

    Frame:

    Steel is real but aluminum is much more plentiful. It will be just fine.

    So buy the bike that speaks to you. It has to be comfortable, don't force yourself onto a bike your not comfortable with because you like company A better than B. The difference between the manufactures at the sub 1k bike market is graphics and minor differences between components. The frames are most likely made in the same factory in Taiwan so no one frame will be made to a quality standard any more or less than another. Also make sure you buy from a bike shop that gives you the best vibe. They have to treat you right to earn your business.

    Once you do buy a bike, ride it then take pictures. By posting to the forums you have agreed to post pictures of your bicycle, its in the fine print somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_m_shooter View Post
    The Specialized Hard Rock Sport is the house Clyde bike and in your price range. My wife has a newer Trek 820 and I would not recomend it for off road use. The stock fork is crap and the geometry makes the bike pretty squirly on anything that resembles a downhill. The older rigid fork ones are a little better. You might want to check out Craigslist in your area. You could get a nicer bike than you could afford new that has just been sitting in someones garage for two years. If you go used try to get a 19 or 20 inch frame.

    I also have the Specialized Hard Rock and I love. Although I have changed the off road tires for road tires it holds up well for bigger guys and I'm over 350lbs

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    Wow these things seem to be a lot more complicated then pickin out a motorcycle no wonder i a big guy LOL.

    Both the Trek and the Giant had regular rim style brakes. The Giant had bigger diameter forks 80mm opposed to the treks 63mm, I dont know much bout the rims on the trek but i think the guy said the Giant had double walled alloy wheels but did not ask about the number of spokes.

    So when i go back on sat i will ask about the wheels, Front suspenshion (adjustable lockout??), and i will i guess most importantly ride both and see wich feels better (should be interesting i think i gona try stealing my sisters bike before then haveing not ridden a bycical in 11 years i imagin i gona be pretty shaky).

    The dealer was pretty help full and answered every questions i had and encuraged i come back for a test ride ( i was on my way to work) so the dealer seams pretty good but they only deal in Trek, Cannondale and Giant. The closest Specialized dealer is a good hrs drive away so id rather stick with the closer shop.

    And again thanx a ton for all the help. I really cant wait to get back on a bike. And their is ALOT more to this than i originally thought. Guess i also need to buy a helemt too as when i rode helmets were not needed and i never wore one (i guess it makes sence i never ride my motorcycle withut a helment even for slow trail rideing whats the differance without the engein).

    And pics will deffintatly be posted. IF ya all like heres what has become of my old bike (along with my nepwes old bike and a bunch of scraps from work LOL). And Here is me riding it.

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    LOL that is awesome.

    Most important and I know these guys that know way more than me on here is the fact that when you test ride some bikes just pick what is comfortable and what you can afford. The rest will come.

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    That conversion of your old bike is amazing.

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    Well i pulled the trigger. Went back to the shop today (could not wait till saturday LOL) Took the Trek 3700 and the Giant for a quick circle and decided on the Giant Boulder SE.

    Got it home and decided to take a quick lap around the block to try it out before i gotta head to work. Very happy cant wait till i am able to work up enuff energy to take it to a trail around here (paved first work my way towards light dirt stuff). Gona take a bit for my rear to get used to that seat but i cant beleive how much of a difference their is riding this (Easier to pedal much smother shifting and just feels more solid) compared to the big box store bike my sister has (i stole it earlier this week so i would not be completely stupid test rideing the bikes).

    Anyways snaped a few pics of my bike as promised togeather with my truck and my much easier to ride bike LOL. And my sister laughingly snaped a pic of my tired ass getting back from that not so fast trip round the block.

    But anyways heres the Pics as promised






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    Nice pix...nice bikes! I've got one of thosee "easier to ride" bikes, too Here's mine after a cleaning, but still needing a trip to the shop:



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    Nice pics and congratulations on your new ride! I do say that I like your enthusiasm for your new form of exercise!

    I will say this, your seat is way too low. It's hard to get used to at first but you want your seat to be raised up enough so that when your foot is at the bottom of a pedal stroke you want your knee to be nearly locked out. Not all the way but close. This will increase your efficency on the bike and reduce strain on your knees.

    Now get your old man in gear too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoste View Post
    Nice pix...nice bikes! I've got one of thosee "easier to ride" bikes, too Here's mine after a cleaning, but still needing a trip to the shop:



    Internal combustion sure makes hill climbing easier
    Yeah, but last time I saw my brother-in-law proved that the IC bikes cause weight gain. I quit riding for the Winter and gained 25lbs, he did the same, he switched to a motorcycle and kept on gaining, last I saw him, he was around 270..... I'll at least burn off most of my winter weight over the summer.....

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    Yeah i knew my seat was too low but for the time being i am trying to get used to the whole stopping thing again without crushing some very important um lower anatomy LOL. I will raise it back up after i get a better grasp of coming to a stop and getting off the seat smothly.

    As for my dad he is skeptic that he would be able to ride a bike anymore and with his problems with his legs i kinda believe him. But we have both joined the gym around the corner and i will be SURE he sticks with it. Maybe after he gets his weight down a bit he can get back on a bike, but till then the gyms gona have to do for him. As for the enthusiasim thanx but honestly arent we all excited when we get new toys even if it means a bit of work. I am sure eventually i will curse this whole PEADLING thing but by gosh i KNOW i will stick with it LOL.

    And yeah the Motorcycles sure make hills real easy (untill ya run outa fuel anyways LOL). I love my motorcycles and will never give it up. BUT finding LEGAL trails for a duel sport bike is difficult around here, Yet their are LOTS of bicycle trails to ride so i figured id get my exercise and "eventually" get to explore alot more trails than i could with a motorcycle and cost a whole lot less when i DO have a get off. Its why i sold my old bike and bought the cruiser in the pic. I really could not take advantage of my old adventure motorcycle offten and when i did it usually cost me big $$$ (if i went down), so i traded it on the more comfy cruiser and figured id get a dirt bike down the road well i did that only im the motor for the dirt bike.

    Oh and cool sporty. Looks like with a little TLC it should be fun little machine. Always been a fan of em bikes but always ended up on japenese bikes instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBear View Post
    Yeah i knew my seat was too low but for the time being i am trying to get used to the whole stopping thing again without crushing some very important um lower anatomy LOL. I will raise it back up after i get a better grasp of coming to a stop and getting off the seat smothly.

    As for my dad he is skeptic that he would be able to ride a bike anymore and with his problems with his legs i kinda believe him. But we have both joined the gym around the corner and i will be SURE he sticks with it. Maybe after he gets his weight down a bit he can get back on a bike, but till then the gyms gona have to do for him. As for the enthusiasim thanx but honestly arent we all excited when we get new toys even if it means a bit of work. I am sure eventually i will curse this whole PEADLING thing but by gosh i KNOW i will stick with it LOL.

    And yeah the Motorcycles sure make hills real easy (untill ya run outa fuel anyways LOL). I love my motorcycles and will never give it up. BUT finding LEGAL trails for a duel sport bike is difficult around here, Yet their are LOTS of bicycle trails to ride so i figured id get my exercise and "eventually" get to explore alot more trails than i could with a motorcycle and cost a whole lot less when i DO have a get off. Its why i sold my old bike and bought the cruiser in the pic. I really could not take advantage of my old adventure motorcycle offten and when i did it usually cost me big $$$ (if i went down), so i traded it on the more comfy cruiser and figured id get a dirt bike down the road well i did that only im the motor for the dirt bike.

    Oh and cool sporty. Looks like with a little TLC it should be fun little machine. Always been a fan of em bikes but always ended up on japenese bikes instead.
    Your dad needs to talk to his doctor about his leg problems, maybe get some X-rays done to see if there is something that needs fixing. If it needs fixing, he should get it fixed, my mother had bad knees from the time she was 60, when she was 82 she had knee replacement done, after it healed she said she should have done it a lot sooner.

    Let me be blunt though, usually there isn't really anything wrong and the leg problems are from the extra stress of trying to carry too much weight. Get the extra weight off, and pedalling a bicycle can do wonders for the legs.

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    The saddle is usually the first thing to be replaced on a new bike. But first, you have to get used to sitting on a saddle again, so spend the next couple weeks sitting on your sit bones and not your taint. You shouldn't go numb in the nuts area, but instead, your ass bones should be sore. During this time, try playing w/ the saddle position (fore/aft, up/down). After a while, the soreness should go away. If it doesn't, or you still go numb, start looking at new saddles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
    Yeah, but last time I saw my brother-in-law proved that the IC bikes cause weight gain. I quit riding for the Winter and gained 25lbs, he did the same, he switched to a motorcycle and kept on gaining, last I saw him, he was around 270..... I'll at least burn off most of my winter weight over the summer.....
    Absolutely true! I gained 25 pounds myself over the winter - I've only taken 5 of it off so far this spring...if I rode nothing but the Sporty this summer I'd just keep gaining, too Oh yeh...before I started using my legs to power two wheels I was 280.

    Quote Originally Posted by TinyBear View Post
    ...Oh and cool sporty. Looks like with a little TLC it should be fun little machine. Always been a fan of em bikes but always ended up on japenese bikes instead.
    The only TLC I performed was the washing and replacing that turn signal stalk. It's a real rat bike...took a little bit of elbow grease and about $1,000 bucks to get it running. Here's the before:




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    wow, you've bought your bike quickly, before I could point out we have a Specialized dealer in KW.

    I've sent you a PM.

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    Yes no worries i know the truth i know all too well the added strain form being overweight causeing pain in joints but sadly for my father thats not the case. The Veins in his legs are getting restricted and the blood flow back to his heart is SLOW meaning the more he exerts his legs the larger they swell and more pain he is in. If he does not have the required surgery in the next few years doc figure he will end up lossing his left leg. If they try to operate now at his current weight he has a HIGH chance of not making it threw the surgery. So the best case is he works hard to loose some weight and have the surgery.

    Good job on that clean up of that sporty their Zoste. Like i said i have ALWAYS loved sportsters just nver ran into a good deal on one.

    OH and yeah i think maybe down the road a new seat is in order. But rigth now i think i more the issue than the bike. My sit bones are real sore but i got a pretty good pain threashold and refuse to quite. That being said rigth now my riding limiting factor is seat comfort. But i am sure i will eventually become more accustome too it as time goes on.

    And yeah the bike purchase was pretty quick LOL. I made up my mind i was gona do it and had some money saved up to buy some performance goodies for my motorcycle so instead i spent it on the new Bike.
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    Congratulations on the new bike purchase. The Boulder SE looks good. I too have not been riding a bike in quite a while (over 11 years) and currently weigh in at 280. I bought a x-mart bike at first, but just recently (2 days ago) returned it, and bought a bike at a LBS. I have a bad right knee so the guy put me on a comfort bike. I tried the Trek Navigator 2.0 and the KHS TC150. I ended up going with the KHS even though I had not heard of that company before, and Trek is a well known company. The KHS was more comfortable, and $150 cheaper. I too am surprised how happy I am to be back into cycling after such a long absense. And when I first started back up, had problems with the seat, and feeling sore after riding. However, now that I have done it a few times, the soreness has gone away.
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