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Old 05-02-09, 07:53 AM   #1
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Adkin's Diet

You Clydes that have done the Adkin's Diet, what are your experiences and comments about it ?? I have a co-worker that over the course of 3 months lost about 35 pounds just by eating high protein and low carb. For breakfast I will see him eat some sausages and eggs, for snack some cheese and hard boiled eggs, for lunch he has some tuna or some kind of meat. I do not know what he has for dinner as I do not see him then . He says he does not get hungry with this diet. He also does not work out !!! What are your experiences ??

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By the way I started last night by just eating some chicken patties for dinner at around 7pm and I have to admit I was not hungry till this morning. Normally if I eat dinner so early for me, I am hungry again by 10PM and would snack on something. This morning all I had was some Jimmy Deans sausages and eggs
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I did Atkins for a couple years and lost 100 lbs, but I also rode 5,000 miles on my bicycle and walked several hundred miles during the same period. Toward the end, I started tapering back on exercise and also saw a corresponding slow-down in weight loss. Of course, I was also getting closer to my goal weight.

I'd say exercise is key. Just doing Atkins alone might help you loose a few pounds, but exercise makes it go quicker and you feel better.

In retrospect, I would say that a well-balanced diet low in carbs -- but not as severe as Atkins -- plus a well rounded exercise program will give you the same weight loss and better health.
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Huge Atkins fan

Since 2007 I have lost probably 80 lbs (only know my ladies pants size has gone from a 20/22W to a 10/12) following a low carb plan. Granted, I have planned to cheat along the way, but this weight loss has been sustained (I've been the size 10/12 for going on a year now and am now gearing up to take off about 40 more lbs). Done every diet in the book ... this is the only WAY OF EATING that works for me to not only lose weight but maintain it without being hungry and miserable all the time.

I suggest that anyone unfamiliar with Atkins get his book (either his original or the New Diet Revolution) rather than just "winging it". Lots of info on how to do the diet correctly, etc. Also motivational.

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Since 2007 I have lost probably 80 lbs (only know my ladies pants size has gone from a 20/22W to a 10/12) following a low carb plan. Granted, I have planned to cheat along the way, but this weight loss has been sustained (I've been the size 10/12 for going on a year now and am now gearing up to take off about 40 more lbs). Done every diet in the book ... this is the only WAY OF EATING that works for me to not only lose weight but maintain it without being hungry and miserable all the time.

I suggest that anyone unfamiliar with Atkins get his book (either his original or the New Diet Revolution) rather than just "winging it". Lots of info on how to do the diet correctly, etc. Also motivational.

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Yes...if you are serious about it, get the book and read it before just jumping in. You need to understand the theory and the science behind it, and you need to understand that low carb means more than just cutting out bread, potatoes and pasta. You also have to cut out ALL forms of sugars, which means you can't eat fruit or grains and can only have certain vegetables. Because that cuts out a ton of otherwise irreplaceable nutrients, you have to take supplemental vitamins and minerals.

I did Atkins for about nine months several years ago and lost over forty pounds. I never felt hungry, because there is no calorie restriction...you can always have a snack. But I never got any of the supposed benefits. My cholesterol and triglycerides were not significantly reduced and I actually began feeling kind of lethargic. I came to the conclusion that any diet that restricts one's intake of fruits and veggies is really kind of a bad idea.

A MUCH better diet would be to eat in moderation and eliminate as much refined sugar (including HFCS) as you can, and spend more time riding and exercising. Another pretty good rule of thumb would be "if it doesn't exist in nature, restrict your intake." That rule of thumb allows you to have pasta and breads in moderation (they don't exist in nature), but not to have ice cream or cookies (don't exist in nature and loaded with refined sugar).

Edit to Add: When I was doing Atkins I was seeing my medicine man every six weeks to two months - in fact the diet was his idea originally. Not a bad idea to have blood work done on a regular basis anyway, but more especially if you are relying on ketosis for nutririon.

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I did Atkins for a couple years and lost 100 lbs, but I also rode 5,000 miles on my bicycle and walked several hundred miles during the same period. Toward the end, I started tapering back on exercise and also saw a corresponding slow-down in weight loss. I'd say exercise is key.
This has been my experience, too. There's no magic to the Atkins diet--in fact it was around for decades before he came along, under other names. I lost 40+ pounds fairly easily and quickly on a sort of "diluted" Atkins I made up on my own, but while I was on it, i was also burning 7000-10,000 calories a week through exercise. It's pretty hard NOT to lose weight if you do that. When I cut back on exercise last fall, half the weight came back.
You also want to keep track of cholesterol, HDL/LDL ratios and triglycerides while you're eating that way. Mine didn't worsen significantly, but my doctor thinks exercise played a large part in that, too.
Finally, a recent government study I don't have time to look for right now examined several popular diets and found that they ALL worked--as long as you restrict calories. If you take in more than you use up, you're not going to lose weight no matter in what form the calories come.
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I did a sort of modified Atkins diet, but if anything it was higher in protein, and not enough carbs per Atkins themselves, but I lost 70lbs in 8 months. The key is to get through the first week, and give yourself many, many foods to switch through so you don't get burned out fast. Also, I found I could eat bacon and eggs when I couldn't even look at other meats. Drink a ton of water, take a good vitamin supplement daily, and you will lose more if you exercise more (I know, duhh).

Atkins works but in the long run it fails to teach you how to eat for the rest of your life after you diet. The plus for me was that it was brainless to follow, allowed quantity eating (again, not teaching you how to eat quality over quantity) and even when I got super busy at work and the exercise suffered, I still lost a pound or two a week. You will see probably see your biggest losses in the first month if you stick to it and exercise. I and others I have talked to often saw our loss levels slow down but still continue at a rate most diets would consider good-- i.e. 1-3 lbs a week with little effort and 4-5 with good exercise levels.

If you know you need a sweet cheat here and there try to find something that won't hurt the diet to much and try to keep it to a min. There are low carb bars that are decent as a treat, but if you eat to many they will slow or stop your lbs lost. I found I could drink coffee with Splenda and that helped stave off my cravings. Splenda is the Atkins sweetener of choice, but I don't know if there is a real reason for that or if Atkins has an "agreement" with Splenda. Also go look up the Atkins forums, there is a lot of advice there, just take some of the Atkins Crusaders (my term) with a grain of salt. There is a lot of support and cheering in that site, which can be valuable.
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I had a friend who was pretty hard core on the adkins diet for about a year and a half, he started off by losing 50 pounds in the first 6 months, but after 18 months he has started to put weight back on. He is really happy with the results but he still has weight to lose, but his diet isn't working any more.

Call me old fashioned but I am sticking with the tried and true well balanced diet with regular exercise. I don't have anything against a specific diet like adkins, but I am only 30 years old and have no serious health risks so I am in no hurry to lose these 40 pounds.
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This has been my experience, too. There's no magic to the Atkins diet--in fact it was around for decades before he came along, under other names. I lost 40+ pounds fairly easily and quickly on a sort of "diluted" Atkins I made up on my own, but while I was on it, i was also burning 7000-10,000 calories a week through exercise. It's pretty hard NOT to lose weight if you do that. When I cut back on exercise last fall, half the weight came back.
You also want to keep track of cholesterol, HDL/LDL ratios and triglycerides while you're eating that way. Mine didn't worsen significantly, but my doctor thinks exercise played a large part in that, too.
Finally, a recent government study I don't have time to look for right now examined several popular diets and found that they ALL worked--as long as you restrict calories. If you take in more than you use up, you're not going to lose weight no matter in what form the calories come.
You shouldn't have to worry about cholesterol (unless you have really high levels now). Pretty well every study showed Atkins lowers cholesterol (better than typical low fat hi carb diets) even though you eat more of it. The act of getting into Ketosis and having essentially zero insulin production reduces the cholesterol and helps produce the good HDL version not the bad LDL.

I went on the Atkins diet with 2 coworkers. I lost 32lbs (215 at end) the 2nd lost 37lbs (210 at end) and the 3rd 42lbs (195 at end) all in 6 weeks. I was either riding/roller blading 20-30 miles a day (and some running and the gym 3-4 time a week) while the other 2 didn't do any real physical activity. I just have always had a hard time losing weight, but this seemed to work the best for me. The only drawback was I did get tired of the mainly meat, cheese, fish, bacon, eggs, sausage you eat. I didn't find any real satisfying snack food since I have a terrible sweet tooth (jerky or pork rinds just didn't cut it).
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I would like to add that one side benefit for me: Being on the diet forced me to start paying attention to ingredients in food and relying more on fresh, home-cooked meals. Almost everything frozen or in a can has carbs. I bought a LOT of fresh produce to supplement the meat, fish & eggs. Leafy green vegetables became a regular part of my diet. Salads with oil & vinegar dressing were my main meal when dining out.

Even though I've been off the diet for several years, I still watch my intake of grains, potatoes and sugar of any kind. As a result, my weight has been stable for the past five years. That's a major change from past dieting experiences, where I gain back all the weight I lost and more. In the end, dieting does require a life-style change -- and a life-long commitment to eating right.
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I'm skeptical of any diet that attempts to eliminate an entire macronutrient.
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Even though I've been off the diet for several years, I still watch my intake of grains, potatoes and sugar of any kind. As a result, my weight has been stable for the past five years. That's a major change from past dieting experiences, where I gain back all the weight I lost and more. In the end, dieting does require a life-style change -- and a life-long commitment to eating right.
Couldn't have said that last sentence better myself. But even Atkins did not advocate a lifetime of super low carb eating. I would gather that if you're watching the carb intake and maintaining, you are actually not "off" the diet after all, but probably at Atkins maintenance levels w/o even thinking about it.

For the past year I've done the Atkins thing except for periodic planned cheats. My philosophy is that you only live once and I can't revolve my life around food. So if we're on vacation or there's a special event, I eat whatever I like without gorging myself. Then right back to low carb. It works! As a result I maintained the weight loss from the first year of going low carb and lost one more size over the second year. I did all this without exercising at all. I would like to lose about 40 more lbs which is why I'm here at this board ... to get bike advice. I'm going to be re-dedicating myself to more strict low carb and training for a sprint tri in September in hopes of achieving this goal. Wish me luck!
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From what i've seen from studying and watching relatives:
Works great for the short term, like to pull your weight down to hit a goal a couple months out. Doesn't seem as reboundy as other fad diets, provided that you have a clue how to put together a healthy diet to begin with. I wouldn't want to stick with it for a long term stretch, since the nutrition is a bit wonky. Don't go too hardcore into it, keep the portions reasonable and the diet fairly balanced; keep it somewhat lean instead of porking out on grease like many people seem to do.
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my mother did the atkins diet and her blood pressure and cholesterol went through the roof. she had to get off of that diet.

i like my diet (the life long one) better decisions, eat plenty, and train harder. Learn what your body needs for your level of activity not what you want to eat for that level of activity. last year i went from 275 to 238 eating up to almost 5k calories a day. but i was training hard 5 days a week. right now i am 262 and expect myself to be in the upper 220's this year with the same regimen. this time hopefully i wont get really sick next winter and keep most of the weight off unlike this winter.
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I’m currently working with a bariatric physician and she has me on a high protein diet. She explained it as one of the ways to get my body’s metabolism back on the right track. Since mainly my carb to protein ratio was way off in the opposite direction. I still eat enough carbs to fuel my body for the workouts. I’m not too familiar with the Atkins diet, but I was under the impression years ago when it first began that the diet didn’t include enough carbs to create a healthy balanced approach. I think low carb high protein diets work well, just make sure you are getting enough carbs and that they are good carbs. Whole Grains, etc.
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You Clydes that have done the Adkin's Diet, what are your experiences and comments about it ?? I have a co-worker that over the course of 3 months lost about 35 pounds just by eating high protein and low carb. For breakfast I will see him eat some sausages and eggs, for snack some cheese and hard boiled eggs, for lunch he has some tuna or some kind of meat. I do not know what he has for dinner as I do not see him then . He says he does not get hungry with this diet. He also does not work out !!! What are your experiences ??
It works fine for me when I do it without distance riding. I can NOT find a way to do 40+ mile bike rides on a diet like that. I simply need more available energy than my body seems willing to give me. I've found generic high protein diets more amenable to riding my bike. I stick to a minimum of 230-240 grams of protein a day and don't worry at all about anything else. But, if you're working out less, atkins (the real thing, not the bs people always spout about surviving on steak) helps control hunger by weighting your diet towards protein.

(FWIW, I am doing 1 hr of HIIT crosstraining 4x a week, averaging around 200-225 miles in the saddle a week, and running 3-9 miles each week so diet or no, I eat a lot of food)
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I don't think it is very healty. Just because you are losing weight doesnt make eating garbage meat good for you. Ketosis is also very bad for anyone, especially those who are physically active. Being a personal trainer as well as working towards in a degree studying human physiology I have learned (and my profs agree) it is not a good long term solution. Like all fad diets they lure people in with promises of weight loss--not long term health.
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I don't think it is very healty. Just because you are losing weight doesnt make eating garbage meat good for you.
This is why posters have suggested reading Atkins's book as oppose to listening to the nonsense people spout.
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You Clydes that have done the Adkin's Diet, what are your experiences and comments about it ?? I have a co-worker that over the course of 3 months lost about 35 pounds just by eating high protein and low carb. For breakfast I will see him eat some sausages and eggs, for snack some cheese and hard boiled eggs, for lunch he has some tuna or some kind of meat. I do not know what he has for dinner as I do not see him then . He says he does not get hungry with this diet. He also does not work out !!! What are your experiences ??
The problem with Atkins (it's Atkins, not Adkins, BTW), like any named diet, it's intended as a short term thing, this is why it's okay if it's not completely balanced. The problem for a lot of people is that after they lose the weight they want to, say 35lbs. They celebrate with a huge meal of all the stuff they could not have while on the diet, and within a week or two that 35lbs has returned and brought an extra 10 friends along with them. The issue is that they didn't learn how to eat the way they should, so they return to their bad habits.

Many overweight people are emotional eaters, if they feel down, they eat, usually high carb, high sugar comfort foods. I think one of the keys is to break that bond, many skinny people see food as fuel that allows them to do things. The key to diet is to switch from seeing food as a comfort to seeing food as fuel.

Cycling or other exercise can help. Food is the fuel for the bicycles engine, so one needs to find out what fuel works best for their bicycles particular engine. A nutritionist or dietitian can help discover this, working with your doctor. You need to find ways of preparing foods so that they have the right balance of carbohydrates, protein, vitamins and minerals to make the bicycles engine work at peak efficiency.

Of course you get people like me, who know this crap, but can't seem to implement it themselves.
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I spent three hours passed out on a cold concrete floor before someone found me while on an Atkins diet.
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I myself would not be able to handle this diet. With the type of cycling I do I or anyone pushing themselves on a bike need to have the carbs to sustain high level of output. On a 100km training ride I will burn 4000+ calories and protien just will not replace everything buned, plus I would bonk long before finishing ride. Carbs are not our enemy if taken properly wholewheat and veggies with the simple carbs such as pancakes and pasta are reserved for before during and right after ride. In 3 years I have went form 305 to 220. I am having a hard time to get past 220 but I have got to were I am thru hard work and balanced diet. I tried all kinds of diest before but found them to restrictive, and not for me plus cholesterol level is high to begin with.
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On ATKINS. I tried that diet and found it very hard to stick to because I am a carb junkey. I am on a current diet... scratch that not a diet but a new way to eat that has been extremely successful so far. This is a medically proscribed eating plan that determines how many calories your body requires at a resting state to mantain the weight you are at. (in my case around 4500) then you determin how many calories you want to go to (in my case it started at 3000) keep in mind that for every 600 less calories you eat per day = aprox pounds lost per week I/E resting 3200 eat only 2000 per day = 2 lbs lost at the end of the week. Next break your total calorie count into 6 meals eaten every 2-3 hours. Five of them are mini meals and one main meal (the second from the last in my case. what it does is keeps your bloodsugar mostly even all day with no spikes wich means no hungerpains = happy me also keep your protien/carb ratio around 1to1 if you go high on one side try and make ot the protien side. In my case I eat 350calx5 and 850x1 equaling 2605 calories per day. Thia is after 3 weeks with this eating plan. I had to drop my calories down from 3000 because it was just to much food. I also walk two miles everyday and have just got my bike so I am starting to ride everyday also. anyway good luck and keep it up.
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Be careful if you also have divarticular disease.

I have done Atkins 3 times. Each time I lost a heap of weight. Did it by the book (both of them).

Unfortunately, I had to abandon the diet on each occassion because of an outbreak of severe diverticulitis.

YMMV.
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I did the wlow carb Atkins about 2 yrs back when I had reached about 323lbs and was able to get down to 280lbs but I stopped and over the last couple of years let it go back on peaking at 309lbs. THis was me living a sedentary life style. Knowing that the Atkins helped me I formed my own modified plan due to my now more active life style through cycling. So far keeping to 40 carbs a day and trying to have a low fat as well as low carb diet is going well (mainly eating more fish and white meat). So far its helping as I am now down to 278.
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The reason that Dr Atkins created the diet was so that Morbidly Obese (in the extreme) patients could lose enough weight in a short period of time for them to be better (notice I did not say good) candidates for certain cardiac surgical procedures. The diet was NOT intended to be a long term thing, and if you do research there are some serious health risks that are tied to keeping your body in Ketosis. Also, without a certain level of carbs, your body slowly begins shutting down certain processes.

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When carbohydrates are absorbed by your body, they are broken down and converted into something called 'glycogen'. This glycogen is the primary fuel source for your body, both while exercising and leading your average lifestyle. Glycogen is very accessible to your body - it's easily converted into energy. In comparison, fats and protein both require more energy for the energy in them to be released - think of it like paying tax on your body's fuel! Fats are generally burned during long duration activities that require little energy. This is why members of the Atkins diet find it difficult to do anything really exhilarating. At the same time, if you use all your protein for energy, you can't use it to repair your muscles. This is the key answer as to 'why do we need carbohydrates'.
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