That Kona does look nice. What is the stand-over height on the 61cm frame? I have about a 31 inch standover, and I'm still learning how to translate frame sizes. I realize that I could buy a lot of wheels for the $ I am talking about, but while the Trek isn't a bad bike, it isn't quite "right" for me either. The truth is I will probably try to spend around $1,000 on the bike, and then have a custom rear wheel put together for it as well. Still really want a road bike. An eon or so ago, when I was freash out of high school, I bought a new Nishiki that I used to get back and forth to work with (and which I used to save up for a car). This was in the late 70's and I seem to recall it was about $400 at that time. I loved that bike, and can still remember how fast I could go on that thing! That's what I want to work up to (within reason- taking into account age, and a lower tolereance for risk these days) and the trek is not going to get me there. The deal I made with my wife is that if I can loose 50 lbs, and still want to use the bike as my primary excercise tool, I can look at a 1,000- 1,500 price range for a bike. Thanks for all the thoughts!