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bbeck 05-15-09 10:19 AM

what do Clydes think about frogs?
 
does any one here use the speedplay frogs and how well do they hold up? do you like them so far? i have never used clipless but i like what i have read about these pedals so far just wanted to see your opinon.


http://www.speedplay.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.frog

Tom Stormcrowe 05-15-09 10:40 AM

Well, I use the eggbeaters, from Crank Brothers. Speedplay Frogs are a good minimalist pedal, though, with lots of float. The guy that owns the LBS I deal with uses Frogs, though, because he has bad knees and needs the float. he's very happy with them.

sstorkel 05-15-09 11:47 AM

I haven't used any of the Speedplay pedals. I'm sure they're great, but for half the price you can get something that's just as good. I'm using Shimano SPD pedals on all of my bikes, specifically the M520 pedals. I've also used Crank Brothers Eggbeater and Candy pedals, but found that they didn't work well for off-road riding. For me, they required too much heel twist before releasing; I just wasn't coordinated to get out of them before falling over.

bautieri 05-15-09 12:00 PM

I'm in favor of Frogs, taste delicious

bbeck 05-15-09 12:09 PM

im torn between frogs and eggbeaters. i like the float of the frogs and the ease of clip in and out. but i dont have much if any knee problems. i like the egg beaters for simplicity. i was concerened which will hold my weight the best 330 lbs. i am probably going to go with a mountain bike style shoe so i can walk in them when needed. i only ride road and mup's.

bbeck 05-15-09 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe (Post 8924538)
Well, I use the eggbeaters, from Crank Brothers. Speedplay Frogs are a good minimalist pedal, though, with lots of float. The guy that owns the LBS I deal with uses Frogs, though, because he has bad knees and needs the float. he's very happy with them.

Tom what size were you when you started using eggbeaters and did you have any hot spot problems? what shoes are you using with them?

theetruscan 05-15-09 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Stormcrowe (Post 8924538)
Well, I use the eggbeaters, from Crank Brothers. Speedplay Frogs are a good minimalist pedal, though, with lots of float. The guy that owns the LBS I deal with uses Frogs, though, because he has bad knees and needs the float. he's very happy with them.

I use eggbeaters now (just a more convenient pedal imo), but the frogs are great pedals, and before I'd finished rehabbing my knee, they were about the only thing I could ride in.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sstorkel (Post 8924964)
I haven't used any of the Speedplay pedals. I'm sure they're great, but for half the price you can get something that's just as good. I'm using Shimano SPD pedals on all of my bikes, specifically the M520 pedals. I've also used Crank Brothers Eggbeater and Candy pedals, but found that they didn't work well for off-road riding. For me, they required too much heel twist before releasing; I just wasn't coordinated to get out of them before falling over.

The shimanos aren't just as good. They're just as good unless you have knee problems, or need certain kinds of adjustments or ...

zoste 05-15-09 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bautieri (Post 8925054)
I'm in favor of Frogs, taste delicious

mmmmm...Crunchy Frog.

sstorkel 05-15-09 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by theetruscan (Post 8925283)
The shimanos aren't just as good. They're just as good unless you have knee problems, or need certain kinds of adjustments or ...

I think you've mis-interpreted my post. I didn't mean to suggest that Shimano SPD pedals are the only alternative to Speedplays. They are one alternative of many and the one that I happen to prefer. Someone with severe knee problems might need a different alternative. Crank Brothers pedals, for instance, allow quite a bit of float and are about half the cost of Speedplay pedals.

FYI, when I first tried Shimano SPD pedals 10- or 15-years ago I hated them. Thought that they wouldn't work with my "bad" knees and that I needed a pedal with a lot of float. As I've discovered recently, it turns out that what I really needed was to position the cleats properly and put my saddle at the correct height. Even with my "bad" knees, I haven't had any problems with the latest SPD pedals...

Pamestique 05-15-09 02:07 PM

I've used frogs they are fine. The only thing I disliked about them is that they became unengaged when least expected (like bombing down a tough trail). BTW not so much a recommendation, and I see nothing wrong with frogs, but I've settled on Time Atac pedals for both my road and mountain bikes. I use the ZControl (it has a large platform) for the mountain bikes. I just like the fact I have one pedal style for all bikes and on the mountain bikes (so one style of shoe and cleat), I found the Z Control easier to use when its wet or muddy. The pedal engagement is more like egg beaters.

Edited to add: My first real pedal was the Speedplay X2. I love how easy it was to use however I hated the cleat. Hard to walk in and any debris, the cleat was useless. I thought I needed the float. Found out apparently I don't. I moved on to the Dura Ace pedal and like the platform but since I was using a different type of pedal on my mountain bikes and doing more touring, I wanted to only use a mountain style recess cleat on my shoes so I could walk around. These Time pedals are good. Work fine and I have no problems. Easy in and out although I understand if your legs are weak, may not be the right pedal since it takes a good little twist to get out.

Pamestique 05-15-09 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bbeck (Post 8925133)
Tom what size were you when you started using eggbeaters and did you have any hot spot problems? what shoes are you using with them?

BTW another reason why I moved away from Speedplay - hot spot problems. I need a broader platform. I still get hot spots but not right away. And I love Sidi's Genius 4. Most comfortable shoe ever but shoes are so personal. You really need to try them out.

theetruscan 05-15-09 02:16 PM

To each his own. For me, even with my bike carefully dialed in, when my knees were in very bad shape I needed the 0 pressure float in the frogs. Now, with better knees, I find the (err) resistive float on the eggbeaters just fine, and I prefer the engagement mechanism.

Tom Stormcrowe 05-15-09 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bbeck (Post 8925133)
Tom what size were you when you started using eggbeaters and did you have any hot spot problems? what shoes are you using with them?

about 250ish, and no hot spots yet. I use Specialized Body Geometry Mountain shoes with them, midline level.

Herbie53 05-15-09 08:18 PM

I thought you meant frogs that get under my tires when I ride by the pond. I think they are very slippery and I do not like them at all.

Hijack over... carry on.

esther-L 05-18-09 09:00 PM

I use speedplay frogs. I put them on 1 bike, and slowly started riding that bike more of the time, to get used to them. It's been a bit more than a year, and I think I'm ready for replacement cleats.

I was attracted to these pedals because of the relatively small height of the cleat, and the float, and ease of disengaging. I have a below knee artificial leg on the left side. I wanted a cleat that would be shorter than the mtb shoe tread. It's a pain to walk in Look cleats on a prosthesis, because the one ankle cannot bend to be heel-lower-than-toe.

My husband did surgery on some tread on the pearl izumi shoes for me, to get the cleat at the right angle. This is likely only necessary on women's shoes, because they are a bit narrower.

I have no hot spots. I'm using a pearl izumi mountain-bike shoe. The longest distance I've managed on this bike is 37 miles (I usually ride tandem, with different pedal and shoe, for longer distance).

Neil_B 05-18-09 09:15 PM

Frogs were my last hope of going clipless. However, even they don't have enough float to accommodate my 25 degree toe out foot on the right.


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