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    Curses....Popped yet another spoke!

    Hey Guys....a few weeks ago i slapped on a new set of Conti Gatorskins on my commuter (Trek 7.2fx) I've barely put 500 miles on it since then, and after having not one, not two, but three spokes replaced last weekend, i return from a 38 mile ride yesterday(also after 130 miles of trouble-free commuting last week) and notice the dreaded rear brake squeal(once again) as i'm rolling it into the garage last night...not only is it out of true again, but i have yet another busted spoke jeez, this is frustrating...i keep my 'skins at around 100lbs front/back and i'm thinking the stiffer ride is putting more stress on my back wheel than before when i had the softer stock tires (i'm not hitting potholes or anything out-of-the-ordinary, save for the occasional railroad crossings)...and i'm still in Clyde-weight status...so, i have a question for y'all...Do i keep going back to the lbs to get spokes replaced, have the rear wheel completely rebuilt, or...... is it time for a new wheelset?
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    Once you're broken this many spokes you need to either rebuild the entire wheel or get a new wheel. If you trust the lbs you can ask them about a rebuild, or you could go for a new wheel online. I've gotten 7k plus miles on Ultegra/Open Pro 36h that I got from Colorado Cyclist. Most important thing is to get hand built wheels from someone who knows what they are doing.

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    And whatever you do invest in a tension meter so you can do the final QA check yourself. Afterall you're the one who is at risk because your trusting those wheels with your body on the trails and/or roads. It is worth it because machine built or handbuilt there is a chance of a bad build.
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    Have them rebuild the rear wheel with a Mavic A719 rim and straight gauge spokes.
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    I have had the Specilized Sirrus for two months, ridden 567 miles. Broke 2 spokes on the last ride of 25+ miles . The LBS, CLemson Cyclery, fixed it again and didn't seem too concerned. I'll keep pumping during the commute .

    If I break a spoke during my first metric century this weekend, I'll probably tip over and cry
    a Clydesdale just doesn't describe my style. It's way to gentle...Started at 326 pounds April 08...
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    ... bought another mountain bike and bent the back axle after 200 miles,
    ... used the income tax refund for the Sirrus Sport and love going to and from work. The Upstate of South Carolina is a beautiful place to ride. 265 lbs June09

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    Hello Rhino I would consider both options. we are talking about a 32 or 36 spoke wheel yes? with up to 5 spokes now for this season I would (considering the quality of the rim and hub) a rebuild. use good 14/14 DB spokes 3 cross. if the rim quality is iffy replace it with a 'box' section not a aero or V. the box section or square gives (flexes) a bit more. also a second wheel will keep you rolling so your buddies at the LBS do not have to rush repairs. OH yeah take then cookies or other goddies sometimes. are you using 23 or 25 tires?

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    I use handbuilt wheels made with good parts. Shimano hubs, the best spokes, and
    quality rims (Mavic CXP33 and currently Ambrosio Excellence).

    Never busted a spoke. I can go for a couple years (if I don't hit a massive pothole at speed) without even truing them.

    You don't have to put up with crap wheels.
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    I used cheap alexrim da16 wheels with some unbranded hubs at the time I was 220lbs running on 700x23 wheels.

    Occasionally the front wheel's spoke would come loose and make twanging sounds. I kept tightening it back up and eventually it just snapped. After getting a new spoke, I took three attempts to tension the spokes myself. The thirdtime I got it right and I never had a problem with spoke tension ever again. The end.
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    Specialized stock 32 spok Alexrims, 28mm tires, 120 PSI, 14.5 MPH, 95 rpm, and an attitude!
    a Clydesdale just doesn't describe my style. It's way to gentle...Started at 326 pounds April 08...
    Secret Santa gave me a old mountain bike - I killed it after 200 miles.
    ... bought another mountain bike and bent the back axle after 200 miles,
    ... used the income tax refund for the Sirrus Sport and love going to and from work. The Upstate of South Carolina is a beautiful place to ride. 265 lbs June09

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zardhex View Post
    Hey Guys....a few weeks ago i slapped on a new set of Conti Gatorskins on my commuter (Trek 7.2fx) I've barely put 500 miles on it since then, and after having not one, not two, but three spokes replaced last weekend, i return from a 38 mile ride yesterday(also after 130 miles of trouble-free commuting last week) and notice the dreaded rear brake squeal(once again) as i'm rolling it into the garage last night...not only is it out of true again, but i have yet another busted spoke jeez, this is frustrating...i keep my 'skins at around 100lbs front/back and i'm thinking the stiffer ride is putting more stress on my back wheel than before when i had the softer stock tires (i'm not hitting potholes or anything out-of-the-ordinary, save for the occasional railroad crossings)...and i'm still in Clyde-weight status...so, i have a question for y'all...Do i keep going back to the lbs to get spokes replaced, have the rear wheel completely rebuilt, or...... is it time for a new wheelset?
    Generally once you have replaced the third spoke, it's time to replace the set of spokes, when you break a spoke that puts additional load on the rest of the spokes, if the tension is low on the wheel then after a while another one pops, then another, until you discover that you have replaced more spokes then the wheel has. Rather then doing that, you need to have all the spokes replaced and properly tensioned. You can replace the wheel, but unless it's properly tensioned, then you will have the same problem in a few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wogsterca View Post
    Generally once you have replaced the third spoke, it's time to replace the set of spokes, when you break a spoke that puts additional load on the rest of the spokes, if the tension is low on the wheel then after a while another one pops, then another, until you discover that you have replaced more spokes then the wheel has. Rather then doing that, you need to have all the spokes replaced and properly tensioned. You can replace the wheel, but unless it's properly tensioned, then you will have the same problem in a few months.
    Yeah, it looks like replacing all the spokes will be my first move....the lbs said last weekend that the rim was still in good shape, and the hub still rolls good...i'm wondering, though, if i should forego the rim for maybe a tougher 36hole rim like the Mavic A719 that Late suggested....debating how deep i want to dig into my pockets (this bike is costing almost as much to maintain as my last car)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zardhex View Post
    Yeah, it looks like replacing all the spokes will be my first move....the lbs said last weekend that the rim was still in good shape, and the hub still rolls good...i'm wondering, though, if i should forego the rim for maybe a tougher 36hole rim like the Mavic A719 that Late suggested....debating how deep i want to dig into my pockets (this bike is costing almost as much to maintain as my last car)
    Some years are like that.....

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    DB spokes will be the better option... they are a bit more elastic then straight gauge spokes so don't put all the stress on the hook end of them (which is where they die at)
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    Hello sorry I should have typed 14/15 db SPOKES
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    Awesome

    What you've accomplished is amazing. From 326 to 265 in 3 months. Fantastic. I started. North of 350 around the same time but got off the bike in exchange for the gym. Lost roughly 30 lbs then went on vacation and put 2 back on. Just got back from vacation Sunday and back on bike Monday, riding everyday now and going to keep it up. Good part about being laid off, plenty of time to do this. My fulltime job now is to get in shape...

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    Going to ride my newly resurrected old Nishiki Century to the lbs on the way to work with the bad wheel strapped to my back...they said they can put me into a stronger wheel for a modest price....wheel see

    p.s. i'm just not prepared for the motorist jokes like, "Hey, you even got a spare tire on your back, now i've seen it all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
    Hello Rhino I would consider both options. we are talking about a 32 or 36 spoke wheel yes? with up to 5 spokes now for this season I would (considering the quality of the rim and hub) a rebuild. use good 14/14 DB spokes 3 cross. if the rim quality is iffy replace it with a 'box' section not a aero or V. the box section or square gives (flexes) a bit more. also a second wheel will keep you rolling so your buddies at the LBS do not have to rush repairs. OH yeah take then cookies or other goddies sometimes. are you using 23 or 25 tires?

    Trina
    There is an old archived email floating around from the legends of wheelbuilding and the who's who of bike shops about how to build wheels for heavy riders.

    Jobst Brandt, and many others would disagree with the recommendation to go to a 'flexier' rim and stiffer 14g spokes. As I recall from my LBS sending me a copy of it, the recommendation was to go with 'flexier' spokes so as to minimize broken spokes and broken rims.

    However, the caveat, was that for really heavy riders, Brandt said something about an exception to the exception.

    Wheelbuilding is an art. Plenty of shops will tell you that they can make lightweight strong wheels and that they have 'master' wheelbuilders. However, making wheels for 150lb riders and making wheels for Clydesdales is a whole 'nother ballgame.

    My recommendation is to spend the money and buy your own Park truing stand. If you are a heavy rider it will pay for itself in truing and wheel building, many many times over.

    Sadly what you'll probably find is that your wheels will be stronger and stay true longer than LBS built wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RhinoBiker View Post
    I have had the Specilized Sirrus for two months, ridden 567 miles. Broke 2 spokes on the last ride of 25+ miles . The LBS, CLemson Cyclery, fixed it again and didn't seem too concerned. I'll keep pumping during the commute .

    If I break a spoke during my first metric century this weekend, I'll probably tip over and cry
    The rims that came with my Sirrus were crap too. I busted 3 spokes in 800 miles. I had to upgrade to some Mavics. No problem with spokes, for that matter not even having to have the wheel trued in 3000 miles. I started at 250# and am at 230 now.
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    The LBS guys replaced the broken spokes and told me to ride it on the metric century. They decided to warranty the wheel, and I agreed to request an upgrade. I'm not sure what that will be yet .

    I made MY FIRST metric century without breaking another spoke. The ride was brutal in 96 degree heat. The SAG wagon was busy hauling experienced cyclist home (cramps mostly). I rode up over a hill to see a turkey buzzard hoping out of the rode with a spoke in his beak . Ride support was great and I'm not embarrassed to say I was relieved to see those canopies and ice chests.

    I celebrated at the Mexican Restaraunt with ICE COLD DOS X'S, POR FAVOR
    a Clydesdale just doesn't describe my style. It's way to gentle...Started at 326 pounds April 08...
    Secret Santa gave me a old mountain bike - I killed it after 200 miles.
    ... bought another mountain bike and bent the back axle after 200 miles,
    ... used the income tax refund for the Sirrus Sport and love going to and from work. The Upstate of South Carolina is a beautiful place to ride. 265 lbs June09

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    I kept popping spokes on my road bike and upgraded to touring rims... been great since

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    Bought a Specialized Carmel 3 April 1st and had 70 miles by first of June when I popped my first spoke. The next few weeks I popped 4 more spokes and two at one time. My lbs is rebuilding the wheel with DT Swiss heavy duty db spokes. Fortunately for me the guys there want me riding and let me borrow a wheel to keep going. I'm at 132 miles since first buying the bike and my longest ride has been 10 miles. Not to bad for an uber-clyde.
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    I broke three spokes on my Jamis Coda in under 300 miles. My LBS sold me a 36 spoke Velocity Dyad at their cost. not another broken spoke in 900 miles.
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    Clemson Cyclery, the local LBS, let me upgrade the warrantied wheel that was breaking spokes. The new wheel is a double walled touring rim, 32 spokes, and a fatter tire. That moves me from a 28 to a 32 tire; from 120 PSI to 80 PSI. I don't notice the difference in the ride, but haven't heard any spokes break. Maybe I can ride this thing instead of repair it.

    22.75 miles home Friday, I took a "scenic" route.
    18.85 mile to work this morning, another "scenic" route. The new Udder Cream helps.

    I found a place that sells Fat Tire beer So I can treat myself right once in a while.
    a Clydesdale just doesn't describe my style. It's way to gentle...Started at 326 pounds April 08...
    Secret Santa gave me a old mountain bike - I killed it after 200 miles.
    ... bought another mountain bike and bent the back axle after 200 miles,
    ... used the income tax refund for the Sirrus Sport and love going to and from work. The Upstate of South Carolina is a beautiful place to ride. 265 lbs June09

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    When I first started riding I was popping spokes like it was my job. I had Peter White build me a wheel and after 3K miles I've not had a problem (hopefully I didn't just jinx myself). Peter White is on the web and he guarantees for life. I know this sounds like a commercial, but I'm just glad I found him otherwise I would have stopped riding forever. I'm 6'6" 300lbs.

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    Can anyone lend me a hankie...??? I broke a spoke on the new rim

    I have been pleased with the new Specialized Sirrus, except for the back wheel keeps breaking. I did get through a metric century without breaking a spoke. But, had to take the bike back in to get the rim installed when I broke two more spokes the next week.

    They installed a heavier Specialized Globe rim, and a fatter city road tire with 80psi tube. I thought I was golden. I broke a couple more spokes and had to hitch a ride in a pickup to work. I didn't want to trash the rim.

    Clemson Cyclery, my LBS, rebuilt that new rim with heavier 14 gauge spokes. My son (9yr) loves them becasue they are black! I rode more than 200 miles on the new wheel. I even watched the odometer roll over 1000 miles since I bought the bike Apr 20th.

    I realized that I am not as fast after having the heavier rim and tire installed. (Is it because my speedometer needs to be calibrated? to the larger wheel? I have kept the front chain ring in the middle and am pushing myself to really hammer going back up from the bottom of the hills.

    And, I've dropped a few pounds. I am slimmer now than when I met my wife 12 years ago. I love how jealous the nurses I work with are about my "sexier" profile.

    I noticed a drag while rolling the bike outside yesterday... I found another broken spoke.
    a Clydesdale just doesn't describe my style. It's way to gentle...Started at 326 pounds April 08...
    Secret Santa gave me a old mountain bike - I killed it after 200 miles.
    ... bought another mountain bike and bent the back axle after 200 miles,
    ... used the income tax refund for the Sirrus Sport and love going to and from work. The Upstate of South Carolina is a beautiful place to ride. 265 lbs June09

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