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Old 08-18-09, 04:43 PM   #1
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Sits with bowed head and busted wheel

Ok, 25 years and oh god how many thousands of miles on road bikes without a busted wheel. It appears that I finally done it.

Didn't notice a ping, just noticed a slight rubbing noise coming from the rear. Didn't break a spoke and no visible cracks in the rim, but when we got back to Angel Stadium I noticed two opposing spokes on the drive side of my rear wheel were ridiculously loose. As these are 24 spoke rims with paired spokes, I've been expecting them to break a thousand miles ago so I check both the better half's and my rims before loading the bikes each ride.
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Old 08-18-09, 05:28 PM   #2
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So were any of your other wheels that DID NOT break happend to be low spoke count wheels?

I gave up on low count wheels. I can never get more than 2,000 miles before they go whacko! That's why I use 32 spokes on Deep V's Over 20,000 miles no problems!

Plus, new wheels should be taken back to the shop for a retension after 200 or so breakin miles. Or they WILL break after a coupe of thou.

Most shops will deny it, but it's true. I think they are afraid to do it as most aren't really wheelguys.
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Old 08-18-09, 05:52 PM   #3
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My Klein Quantum that I rode from 90 - 92 had Specialized 3 spoke carbon wheels, i'd say that's an even lower count but i only put about 6000 miles on it. My Stevenson had 32/32 wheels that were bomb proof cause I cyclocrossed with it as well as touring. Those wheels went 70k miles. The Xero's on the OCR has 4000 miles on em.
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My Klein Quantum that I rode from 90 - 92 had Specialized 3 spoke carbon wheels, i'd say that's an even lower count but i only put about 6000 miles on it. My Stevenson had 32/32 wheels that were bomb proof cause I cyclocrossed with it as well as touring. Those wheels went 70k miles. The Xero's on the OCR has 4000 miles on em.

After finding out who you are, I saw a guy on an MS ride back in 92 with a Klein Quantum bike that looked like you. It was the MS ride form Rancho Cucamonga to Palm springs. 2 days with a camp in Yucaipa.

Don't tell me that was you too!...
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Nope, In 92 i was in Washington state.
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Oh! Wasn't you!

But looking at the 3 spoke carbon wheels, I'd say that's a diffeent class of wheels than stainless type spokes. Heck, the Aerospoke wheels claim enough strength to support a motorcycle!
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There is that... I wouldn't dare ride 3 spoke wheels today. I'd feel just as silly as if i were riding a Cervelo S3 or Ridley Noah.
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get them checked out by a good shop, with a good wheel guy, if everything looks good, get them retensioned and you should be good to go.
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They are going into the shop tomorrow. In the meantime, the wheels from one of the hangar queens is going on the bike while the rear wheel is in. I haven't had a chance to seriously look at it, but I'm betting the rim hole either cracked or dimpled. with just light finger pressure I can offset both spokes 1/4". I'm not wanting to spend a ton of money cause next Jan/Feb the bike is getting replaced with a Roubaix, Cervelo RS, or Colnago CLX 2.
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They are going into the shop tomorrow. In the meantime, the wheels from one of the hangar queens is going on the bike while the rear wheel is in. I haven't had a chance to seriously look at it, but I'm betting the rim hole either cracked or dimpled. with just light finger pressure I can offset both spokes 1/4". I'm not wanting to spend a ton of money cause next Jan/Feb the bike is getting replaced with a Roubaix, Cervelo RS, or Colnago CLX 2.
guess you'll just have to replace it now!

I can't think of a better excuse can you?
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LOL RatedZero... I'd love to. Just two problems... 1) I havent decided which I want 2) money, its just not there right now.

OTOH, I got a set of Furlcrum 7's on Wednesday, took em for a ride yesterday. SWEET!
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I took my wheel to LBS had the wobbles removed and them both trued as well as new grease and thicker tubes....

no $ to get them back dammit!
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Hate it when I do that.

The original Xero wheels (Giant house brand) were paired spokes 24/20. Apparently when I jumped on it coming out of one of the underpasses on SART, I pulled 2 opposing drive side spokes partially through the rim. There wasn't a crack, but the wheel builder spent an hour trying to get the wheel both round and true and was really concerned that it'd pop again first time I stood and attacked on a hill. I decided, new wheels would keep me from getting dumped on my A** when I pulled the spokes out of the old ones.

The only negative is the ratchett is loud when you freewheel.. Like Mavic or Zipp wheels. Everyone knows when you're coasting.
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I took my wheel to LBS had the wobbles removed and them both trued as well as new grease and thicker tubes....

no $ to get them back dammit!
That's the reason I do all my own stuff. Everything but removal of the BB cause I don't have the tool.

MY bud took his roadie in, two new tubes and a $30 tire. Installed, $79 out the door!

I build my own wheels for free. No need to pay someone to true them. It's so easy, I cant figure out why someone would pay.

$2.99 gets me thicker tubes at Sport Chalet. They are thicker cuse they are generic. I doubt the $12 LBS heavy duty tubes work any better. Funny, if you want thinner tubes, the LBS will charge you more. If you want thicker tubes, the LBS will charge you more!
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Apparently when I jumped on it coming out of one of the underpasses on SART, I pulled 2 opposing drive side spokes partially through the rim.

Liteweight!............This is what happened last time I jumped on it!

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Beanz, you just crack me up.... along with your BB!

did you go down when that happened?
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Man, I have a set of those low spoke count Xero wheels myself and am wondering how long they are going to last under me with all the chip seal road that I have around here. Right now they a little over 1500 miles on them, but I always worry about them. Fortunately, I have been using the OCR A1 only for organized events and using my cross bike for with its 32 count spoke wheels for everything else.
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Beanz, you just crack me up.... along with your BB!

did you go down when that happened?
Nope! I was lucky, I was climbing a steep hill (seated) when I felt a little pop. I got a strange feeling then looked down and my legs were spinning around but somewhat side to side too. It felt like a hula dance.

I thought it was my crank so I just rolled back home downhill. I inspected it on the road but didn't notice the crack till I got home and inspected it in the light.

About 2 weeks before it snapped, I was on the SART with another forum member (Chuck 5.2). That was the day I cranked it up to 30 MPH by Imperial. It's a good thing it didnt snap then!

I rarely stand to sprint. I feel the frames flex too much on smaller diameter tubes. Not as much on my fat tubed Cannondale (CAAD3) but still I worry about standing to crank!

I check out the pics people post here of carbon bikes. Like the Blue! Sweet bike but for myslef, I'd go with a bigger BB area like the Cervelo or the new Giant. Giant has a huge BB and headtube too. But I won't worry about that since I can't afford one, so I will remain seated on the sprints!
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BTW, I have a friend 20 lbs lighter than I am that snapped a steel De Rosa so I'm not debating material here. Maybe BB area sizing!

But a $4,000 steel DeRosa, snapped like a twig? Ouch! Glad it wasn't my money!
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Man, I have a set of those low spoke count Xero wheels myself and am wondering how long they are going to last under me with all the chip seal road that I have around here. Right now they a little over 1500 miles on them, but I always worry about them. Fortunately, I have been using the OCR A1 only for organized events and using my cross bike for with its 32 count spoke wheels for everything else.
Hill Pumper, I had just under 4k miles on the bike when the wheel went. And it wasn't your normal explosive failure I just noticed a slight rubbing noise. it was less than 1/4" out of true even though 2 spokes were totally slack. Those Xero are pretty tough for paired spoke wheels.
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