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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 08-27-09, 11:20 AM   #1
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The 007 of broken spokes

So, my fiancee did 14 miles while I was at work yesterday, and that made me want to ride. So, we got on the bike and did about 7 miles towards my work. Along the way I heard the usual noises from my bike but nothing peculiar. We get to the bike shop where I'm planning on getting a quick wheel truing and air, and come to find out I have a broken spoke. It snapped right where it threads into the hub, but stayed mostly in place, so I couldnt tell it was broken, except that it was becoming obvious that the wheel was more severely out of true that it had been in the beginning of the ride.

So, my bike stayed at the shop last night, and my fiancee and I walked home. 4.4 miles home on the more direct route. Stopped for a root beer float, so as not to burn off TOO many calories

I've decided the first thing I'm buying for myself after paying for this wedding (3 weeks from Saturday!), is a pair of bombproof wheels. I'm thinking Velocity Deep V's, color rims, probably Electric Blue, unless another blue they have matches my bike better.
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1) Congrats on the upcoming wedding.
2) Have a competent builder make your wheels. Use DT Champion 2.0 spokes (if you want an all around stiff as heck wheel) or DT Competition spokes if you want a wheel that soaks up a little more road chatter.
3) Be sure the wheel is properly tensioned and the spokes are de-stressed. The one which busted at the head (hub side of the spoke) was a problem with low tension.
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1) Congrats on the upcoming wedding.
2) Have a competent builder make your wheels. Use DT Champion 2.0 spokes (if you want an all around stiff as heck wheel) or DT Competition spokes if you want a wheel that soaks up a little more road chatter.
3) Be sure the wheel is properly tensioned and the spokes are de-stressed. The one which busted at the head (hub side of the spoke) was a problem with low tension.
Yeah, my plan was to ride about another 20 miles, and then have it go through the whole tension/de-stressed process. I had 80 miles on it since purchased new, and I believe I was told somewhere to ride a while before having it re-tensioned.
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yep, congrats on the wedding i think its a good idea to pay for that before you splash out on new wheels. the others will do in the meantime. i just realised why it was the 007 of broken spokes lol
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Yeah, my plan was to ride about another 20 miles, and then have it go through the whole tension/de-stressed process. I had 80 miles on it since purchased new, and I believe I was told somewhere to ride a while before having it re-tensioned.
De-stressing should be done before the wheel ever makes it onto your bike. It releives the spokes of any winding from the build process and allows them to seat properly at the crossing points. One of the worst sounds (IMO) is hearing someone take their bike for a test spin after getting the wheels trued, and hearing that *ping schpoing pang* as the wheels make the first few rotations. A de-stressed wheel build shouldn't make any noise.
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De-stressing should be done before the wheel ever makes it onto your bike. It releives the spokes of any winding from the build process and allows them to seat properly at the crossing points. One of the worst sounds (IMO) is hearing someone take their bike for a test spin after getting the wheels trued, and hearing that *ping schpoing pang* as the wheels make the first few rotations. A de-stressed wheel build shouldn't make any noise.
That's true, no noise but still, have it retensioned after 200 miles. I destress and all that good stuff but still , my wheels go slightly out after 200. I retension, then no more bad stuff!

I've had wheel built by the pros, and still, they go out!

Sorry to hear about the wheel but 80 miles?

I'm guessing that when you posted your thread about the LBS selling you a new rim, I mentioned it wouldn't work. Usually takes a while before big guys get tired of wasting money and time before they learn the Deep V way!
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Actually, the guy at the shop said the rim isnt the problem, he said it's a cheap hub. The rim seems fairly ok. Im still going after some better wheels as soon as I can possibly afford them
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Actually, the guy at the shop said the rim isnt the problem, he said it's a cheap hub. The rim seems fairly ok. Im still going after some better wheels as soon as I can possibly afford them
I gotta hear this one!....The guys old you a wheel saying it would be fine. Now he says it's a cheap hub? That's the reason I avoid the LBS!

I see in the OP, it says "the spoke broke where it THREADS into the hub". What type of wheel? Low spoke count? 32 hole? The spokes "thread" into the hub?

Do you have a regular 32 hole hub somewhere? Just build it up and save lots of dough.
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I gotta hear this one!....The guys old you a wheel saying it would be fine. Now he says it's a cheap hub? That's the reason I avoid the LBS!

I see in the OP, it says "the spoke broke where it THREADS into the hub". What type of wheel? Low spoke count? 32 hole? The spokes "thread" into the hub?

Do you have a regular 32 hole hub somewhere? Just build it up and save lots of dough.
This guy didnt sell me the wheel, it was someone in Columbus. This guy fixed the wheel here in Boston.

32 hole. Where the spoke attached to the hub, it snapped. Wheel building is way out of my knowledge area, so im just describing what i see. I can do just about anything else (other than I havent fully threaded and set gears yet), but Ive never even thought about my wheels.

This guy had no stake in the wheel other than he was where i was leaving it to fix it.

Sorry for the miscommunication.
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This guy didnt sell me the wheel, it was someone in Columbus. This guy fixed the wheel here in Boston.

32 hole. Where the spoke attached to the hub, it snapped. Wheel building is way out of my knowledge area, so im just describing what i see. I can do just about anything else (other than I havent fully threaded and set gears yet), but Ive never even thought about my wheels.

This guy had no stake in the wheel other than he was where i was leaving it to fix it.

Sorry for the miscommunication.
Well, believe what you like but NO WAY in (you know where) would the hub break the spoke cause it's an inexpensive hub. It breaks at that point (as stated a million times in this forum) due to lack of tension.

The guy si trying to sell you a more expensive hub. Sure he didn't sell you the wheel, but he's trying to sell a more expensive hub, and more than likey at a more expensive price.

If you want to save money but have a good wheel, buy a hub online. EVEN 105 is great and inexpensive online! You can prolly buy a Deep V for $55 somewhere online. You might even build into the current hub depending on what it is! Can you post a pic or name the hub?

After buying the parts online, have a shop build it for you. Might end up spending $150 but it's well worth it.

No way am I trying to jack you! What do I have to gain? I just think it's crazy that you will let a shop nickel and dime you to death. You WILL end up spending just as much and NEVER getting your problem solved. BELIEVE ME!

Maybe you have a bud that has an extra higher quality hub not in use? Sheesh,. I just gave away a 105 28 hole hub on a Mavic CXP 30 rim (similar to a Deep V) to a bud that can't afford a new wheel. I've had people offer me hubs before. Check around, I've given away a bunch of stuff, stems, seats, wheels, hubstires.....some people just want to see you ride.

How much do you weigh? if you don't mind.
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No way am I trying to jack you! What do I have to gain? I just think it's crazy that you will let a shop nickel and dime you to death. You WILL end up spending just as much and NEVER getting your problem solved. BELIEVE ME!

Maybe you have a bud that has an extra higher quality hub not in use? Sheesh,. I just gave away a 105 28 hole hub on a Mavic CXP 30 rim (similar to a Deep V) to a bud that can't afford a new wheel. I've had people offer me hubs before. Check around, I've given away a bunch of stuff, stems, seats, wheels, hubstires.....some people just want to see you ride.

How much do you weigh? if you don't mind.
Mr Beanz,

I have read and admired your posts for a long time, so I in no way believe you're trying to lead me astray. I was merely mentioning that I feel this guy put no pressure of any kind on me to buy any parts for my wheel. I'm seriously considering his shop as the locale to buy my fiancees bike from as he's the local Fuji dealer (if I dont go the BD route), so I've been talking to him a lot.

The rim is a Weinmann XC-260 double walled rim.

The hub is a Shimano FH-RM30 hub.
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TKGN,

I gotta side with Bean-o on this one. He's correct, as far as my experience goes, about the hub.

That said, if it's easier for you to have the shop do the work, then do it. There's a lot to be said for supporting bike shops and avoiding the hassle of wheelbuilding, or in this case talking with the mechanic about wheelbuilding. Especially when you are getting married in two weeks. Beanz, give the man a break, he's getting married. He's stressed enough.

For what it's worth, my 36 spoke rear wheel cost 175 bucks and used a Deore hub. I've had one broken spoke, NOT on the drive side (meaning it wasn't caused by my weight.) The miles on it included a 580 mile tour over some very rough terrain and under a 290 pound rider. So I don't think it likely upgrading the hub would make that much of a difference.
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Especially when you are getting married in two weeks. Beanz, give the man a break, he's getting married. He's stressed enough.

The way I see it, a marriage is like a wheelbuild. You gotta stress it to the max before it works well. Just trying to help the guy out!.....2 weeks..That is close!


Well, the reason I was asking his weight earlier was that I have an 8 speed hub (Ultegra 600, wil work with 9 speed) but it's only 28 hole. I'm thinking he might be a little too heavy for a 28 though. But like I said, there are people that will GIVE you stuff if they see you will USE it and appreciate it.

Some dude had problems so I gave him the entire 105 wheel I had in the closet. There has to be more than one superweet person other than me in the world!

Heck, if he can pick up a hub for nuttin' that would make it supercheap!
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Mr Beanz -

I appreciate the thought. It is truly touching (but not in an icky way) that someone would be willing to offer free bike parts to help someone else, especially as we've never met. That said, I agree that a 28 spoke is probably not in my best interest, and if you're willing to give it for another, I might suggest your local bike co-op. They can always use a quality part, and it's tax deductible most likely.

My plan at current is to purchase a pair of velocity Deep V's after the wedding (or at least a single for the rear), and have it built up for me by a reputable shop, with a nice hub that will allow me to race wory free for a couple of years at least.

I'm not normally as stretched for cash as I am at current, but I deeply appreciate your generous thoughts, and Mr Historian, your thoughtfulness is always appreciated.
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Cool!...I like to keep stuff for those I know or even somewhat communicate with only cause I like to see results!
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Cool!...I like to keep stuff for those I know or even somewhat communicate with only cause I like to see results!
Yeah, that's why I'm going to start volunteering at the co-op. Aside from providing the benefits of volunteering (helping others, learning better mechanic skills, feeling like I gave back) I will have a stream of parts to get at a better price than I can get here.

Boston for having a ton of competition is pretty expensive for many parts. I saw a bunch of Velocity rims built out at $400 a pair, and they had a lot of them, at a shop that was really reasonable for other stuff. I don't know how expensive that really is, but I know I've been told I can get them cheaper elsewhere with top of notch hub and spokes.
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... Mr Historian, your thoughtfulness is always appreciated.
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