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    Motobecane For Clyde...?

    Here are the specs.

    Shimano Ultegra 27 Speed, FSA Carbon Pro Team Issue Octalink Crankset, Ultegra brakeset, Ultegra Front and Rear Deraileurs, 2009 High Modulus Carbon Fiber Monocoque frameset, High Modulus Carbon Fiber Fork with Shimano Wheelset and new Specialized Pro II tires, Easton EC70 Carbon Fiber Handlebars with new tape, FSA sl 220 Seatpost and Viscount Sadle, Salsa Stem. Total Weight: 19 pounds. $1300

    Thoughts?

    I was thinking either this or an 08' Madone 4.5

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    I'll be interested to hear what people say about the Motobecane frame as well (I assume you're referring to the Immortal Spirit full carbon frame?). I just took delivery of an '08 bare Immortal Spirit frame which I'll be building up with Campy 10-speed components and an Alpha-Q CS10 fork over the next week or so. The Campy stuff is coming off a steel Gunnar Sport which I'm converting into a more sedate long-distance bike based on Shimano 9 speed components.

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    If you're a 755 lb clyde, I'd say no.

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    I wouldn't be concerned with the frame. I have heard of issues with the bottom brackets Bikes Direct includes with their bikes. The wheels will need properly tuned and tensioned out of the box. As long as you figure that into the budget you will probably love the bike.
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    BD bottom brackets are junk. Buy the bike if you like breaking wheels and quitting cycling within a few months.
    Bikes use brakes to stop.

    If your bike has breaks, don't ride it.

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    From Bikesdirect.com?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDan View Post
    BD bottom brackets are junk. Buy the bike if you like breaking wheels and quitting cycling within a few months.
    Sheesh, while there are a couple of areas to address the bikes are fine, it's the marketing approach that sucks about BD to a lot of people.

    Yes, change the bottom bracket as soon as you can and have the wheels destressed and retensioned and you are good to go if you can adjust your own brakes and derailluers. The wheels are but of a concern in that the quality of spokes may be a cost cutting thing and they tend to come with Alex rims which can be suspect if they are the lower end rims.

    $1300 for an Ultegra CF bike is a steal, even if you need to invest a few set up bucks at your LBS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txvintage View Post

    $1300 for an Ultegra CF bike is a steal, even if you need to invest a few set up bucks at your LBS.

    I've never ever bought a production bike figuring everything would be for keeps! I've even had to replace Ulterga myself but always count on replacing wheels.

    Now a custom bike would be different but we aint all got money to throw around!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDan View Post
    BD bottom brackets are junk. Buy the bike if you like breaking wheels and quitting cycling within a few months.
    That's a bit harsh. Any bike you buy in this price range is going to have suspect wheels. As others have noted there have been reports of problems with the no-name BB, but BB are cheap, and you could just ride it for a while.

    I would be more concerned about the fit. How certain are you about the size?

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    I go fitted the other day and I can do 56 or 58. I have a a long torso, but a short inseam. I took the bike for a ride today and it was a smooth ride and the bike was SUPER light. There did seem to be some noise coming from the BB/crank area, but it could of been the pedals. He said he would give it to me for 1100 as he needs it gone. I'm a bit weary about the noise though. It was also much more aggressive than I imagined. It was definitely a race fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDan View Post
    BD bottom brackets are junk. Buy the bike if you like breaking wheels and quitting cycling within a few months.
    You're full of it... I have a buddy who bought a cyclocross bike from Bikes Direct. The bike arrived in perfect shape and was easy to assemble. We stripped it down to the frame, but didn't find any assembly errors. Having never used STI levers before, my ham-fisted buddy managed to break one of the levers during the first week of ownership. He called BD and they sent him a brand-new lever as a "warranty repair" even though the damage was most likely his fault; he had the new lever within 4-5 business days. That's better customer service than I get from my LBS!

    If you know what you need in terms of components and bike fit, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a bicycle from bikes direct. I've heard that they occasionally have problems with bike assembly (e.g. not greasing parts that need to be greased) and customer service, but as I said: we didn't notice any problems with the CX bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 143gadgets View Post
    I go fitted the other day and I can do 56 or 58. I have a a long torso, but a short inseam. I took the bike for a ride today and it was a smooth ride and the bike was SUPER light. There did seem to be some noise coming from the BB/crank area, but it could of been the pedals. He said he would give it to me for 1100 as he needs it gone. I'm a bit weary about the noise though. It was also much more aggressive than I imagined. It was definitely a race fit.

    1100? SHeesh, enough saving to pick up a new Ultegra crank. I got one online for $149 with the BB included.

    Although, a noise form the BB could be anything,needs to be tightened, cables hitting the frame, drivetrain/chain/rings need lube. Chainring bolts need lube. I even go a nasty tickonce because gatorade dripped down between the cable guide and the frame. Could be lots of stuff but you got $200 to play with.

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    It sounds like you may have a Cycle Spectrum in the hood. That makes it even better since you get LBS support with BD prices.

    If this from a Cycle Spectrum shop you are nuts to not jump on it.

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    Im going to be buying a bike from BD probably in the next week for my fiancee. She doesnt have the clyde bike issues to worry about because shes a tiny thing. We're having her fitted to a Fuji frame in the store, as these are basically the same bikes, so we know her size.

    Do I really need to be worried about the bottom bracket and such for her? she'll ride it a lot, but she wont be putting the same kind of stresses on it that some of us would. I'll still have the wheels trued regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sstorkel View Post
    You're full of it... I have a buddy who bought a cyclocross bike from Bikes Direct. The bike arrived in perfect shape and was easy to assemble. We stripped it down to the frame, but didn't find any assembly errors. Having never used STI levers before, my ham-fisted buddy managed to break one of the levers during the first week of ownership. He called BD and they sent him a brand-new lever as a "warranty repair" even though the damage was most likely his fault; he had the new lever within 4-5 business days. That's better customer service than I get from my LBS!

    If you know what you need in terms of components and bike fit, I wouldn't hesitate to buy a bicycle from bikes direct. I've heard that they occasionally have problems with bike assembly (e.g. not greasing parts that need to be greased) and customer service, but as I said: we didn't notice any problems with the CX bike.
    Wow, one bike and you're an expert. After dealing with several dozen of BD bike shaped objects, I can say they are mostly junk. The bottom brackets, headsets, and wheels are the worst on the market. I've seen spindles shear, rim joints split, bearings seize, and host of other problems within a few short days of use.
    Bikes use brakes to stop.

    If your bike has breaks, don't ride it.

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    BTW, this is from craigslist, not a shop.


    I also looked at an 08' Madone 4.5 with 105 everything and Ultegra on the rear. It would be 1350.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DieselDan View Post
    Wow, one bike and you're an expert. After dealing with several dozen of BD bike shaped objects, I can say they are mostly junk. The bottom brackets, headsets, and wheels are the worst on the market. I've seen spindles shear, rim joints split, bearings seize, and host of other problems within a few short days of use.
    Do you really expect us to believe that you've seen dozens of Ultegra-level bikes, like those the OP is considering, where the bottom brackets have failed?!? Difficult for me to believe that Shimano, FSA, and SRAM are having quality-control problems of this magnitude that I haven't heard about. Similarly, it's difficult for me to believe that sealed-bearing integrated headsets from FSA and Cane Creek are failing at the rates you seem to be implying.

    Now, if you're talking about putting Uber-Clydes on $300-500 bikes with 2200- or Sora-level components, then I can believe there are problems. But I don't think that's unique to BikesDirect: if you buy a cheap bike with cheap components then you're likely to run into problems sooner rather than later...

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    OK. So he is willing to give it to me for $1000. Any advice on checking the frame and components for faults?

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    When it comes to BD, there are an army of trolls lurking in the wings.
    I bought my Motobecane almost two years ago. Built it up with a build kit from Colorado Cyclist, all Dura Ace with Mavic Kysrium wheels. Comes in at 16.5 lbs. I've changed the seat to a Flite and the seatpost to Thompson. Way more comfortable now. That Douglas seat was about as uncomfortable as a seat can be.
    Here's a pic I took for another thread. Sounds like you are getting a great deal. My experience so far says go for it.

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    I can't get the picture to post. Any hints out there?

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    Try using photobucket for ur pics. Or email it to me.

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    Never mind it showed up.


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    I would say: Forget it!

    A Chinese knock-off version of an out-of-business French bicycle manufacturer, unless you are a very good bike-mechanic, is going to be trouble.

    First off - you will have no warranty whatsoever. No support from your local bike-shop.

    Secondly - you will need to hire a bike-mechanic to assemble this for you. And do it right. It's not just using a wrench and a pair of pliers - DONE RIGHT.

    Add $200 to the price for above.

    Thirdly - if anything goes wrong, and things like cables stretching and brakes going out of adjustment WILL happen, you will have to pay full-fare at a shop to have these things tended to.

    So I reiterate: If you, personally, are not a very good bike-mechanic (with a fleet of specialized tools), you are looking at a very much higher cost than it appears.

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    Oh my - from when I put this out to write - the OP went and did it. Let my words stand to future readers. And 143gadgets - please keep us informed on how this works out for you? Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Panthers007 View Post
    First off - you will have no warranty whatsoever. No support from your local bike-shop.
    Incorrect. As far as I am aware all bikes sold by BikesDirect come with a warranty.

    So I reiterate: If you, personally, are not a very good bike-mechanic (with a fleet of specialized tools), you are looking at a very much higher cost than it appears.
    A fleet of specialized tools?

    I've built 7-8 frames into bikes over the last two years. I did 90% of the work with the stuff you'd find on your multi-tool: 4mm, 5mm, 6mm, and 8mm Allen wrenches along with a Philips screwdriver. Another 5% of the work is covered by a few inexpensive specialty tools: a bottom bracket wrench ($17), a cassette lockring tool ($6), a cable/housing cutter ($30), and a chain tool ($15).

    I own the tools necessary to install and remove headsets, install crown races and star nuts, and cut forks to length, but they're a bit of a luxury: my local Performance Bike will do the entire job for $20. I don't own the tools necessary to face and chase head tubes or bottom bracket shells, but so far the only frame that's needed them is the one I TIG-welded myself...

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    Do any of you doofusses bother to read these posts or do your BikesDirect biases (either for or against) completely blind you?

    Quote Originally Posted by 143gadgets View Post
    BTW, this is from craigslist, not a shop.


    I also looked at an 08' Madone 4.5 with 105 everything and Ultegra on the rear. It would be 1350.
    Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand

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