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    Another Wheel Question, Sorry

    Uggggh!!!!!!

    I am going nuts with wheels here can anyone help or point me in the right direction.

    My main problem is my rear wheels. I cannot keep them true. I have gone through well three different wheels.

    1.) Stock *** Jalco 6000 that came with the bike weigh a ton and out of tru, but saving for indoor trainer this winter

    2.) Neuvation r28. Got it on close out went out of true after 2 months Neuvation was kind enought to give me....

    3.) Neuvation m28 for free rode for a month all fine spoke came loose got it fixed up and boom been 1 week and rubbing brakes again.

    I am at wits end. I have an adventure triathlon in 3 weeks and need to ride ride ride. Cannont afford a $20 tru weekly
    Again any suggestion on better wheels etc.

    Oh as for me 5'9 210 -215 and dropping (muscular ie barrel chest shoulders) try to ride up 75mi + per week. Ride on suburban side street some are smooth some bumpy some with rail crossings.

    Thanks and sorry for another wheel thread

    Chris

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    Find a competent shop which will tension/true the wheels, or learn to build them yourself.

    I've got 35 pounds on you and ride 125mi/wk for my commute with a metric or longer ride on most weekends. I handbuilt my DT RR1.1 on SON28 front, Deore rear wheelset and after a 300 mile truing they've been through thousands more miles without an issue. The terrain for my riding varies from smooth pavement to 1/2" pebble chip-seal to potholed crushed/packed gravel unpaved roads.
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    Velocity Deep V's. I couldn't get over 2000 miles out of machined built or handbuilt wheels till a dude introduced me to Deep V's. I eventualy started building my own. Have over 21,000 miles on this set at 230 lbs.

    I went 28 front and 32 rear. I go with the rear first till the front needs replacing.

    I hate the redwall Specialized Armadillo look. Just trying to get my $35 out of the tire! But it has turned out to be one tuff long lasting tire

    But, be sure to have them built by a good wheel guy. I had some fool at a local shop build a Deep V that didn't survive the first 40 mile ride....BTW, if somebody is charging you $20 a week for truing, he aint a good wheel guy....He needs to check for proper tension as this shouldn't be happening so early in the wheelife. If anything, he could loosen then retenison the wheel evenly. Knowing you have wheel issues, he ought to be looking to solve the problem, not prolong it!

    Some think they are too heavy for climbing but I enjoy the stiff responsive feel on the climbs. Nice thing about Velocity rims is that they come in a gang of colors!

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    +1 on the Deep V's. I had a set built by a local wheel builder (36 spokes front and rear). Probably overkill on the spokes, but man are they stiff. It was like riding a new bike after I replaced the stock wheels.

    Edit: So far around 2000 miles on the wheels and still true. The wheel guy told me that the secret is high spoke tension - especially for clydes.

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    The Velocity wheels sound good I will look into that. My question for a quick and well cheaper fix mavic open pro's/ultegra hubs. 32 spoke count I believe. Any thoughs on these? Again this is the quick cheaper fix. Oh and I must add my front wheel is perfect still all my problems are under my butt

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    Werid. I've been riding a set of M28's for three years and they have never needed truing. I had them trued last winter, but they really didn't need it. I have rough roads around here, and I was 270# when I started using them. I'd call John and ask him about them. He'll probably replace them.

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    I HATE Mavic Op's. The have little eyelets that constantly pop out. A weld bead inside the rim that breaks loose and makes a constant "ticking" sound. Drives me crazy as I like a smooth running bike. I had handbuilt OP's tha didn't last over 2000 miles. Actually SPLIT on the braking surface! Some swear by them but I HATE them!

    If I use Mavic, I'd go for for the Mavic CXP33. These are just about everywhere on the net and in the shops. I built a front wheel for my other bike, 32 spoke with butted spokes. Nice and stiff and sans that annoying tick of the OP's.


    My Cannondale, Velocity Deep V in the back and a Mavic CXP up front. Both 32 wheels.
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    I'm with Mr Beanz on this one. I kept popping spokes on my stock mavic rims at 255lbs so I went to my local shop and they set me up with a rear Velocity deep V 36 spoke wheel and I ablolutly love the wheel. It seems like it might have a little more resistance than my stock wheel but it may all be in my head. Beanz did you notice anything different over your stock wheel.

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    I notice the stiffness. My front stock wheel used to flex a bunch if I stood. So much I could hear the magnet hit the sensor as it passed. I haven't used a stock wheel other than a Bontrager Race in 12 years so to tell the truth, I don't 'member what a stock feels like, other than the Race on my Lemond.

    My OP's were handbuilt and not stock so I can't call them stock.

    But a few months back Gina and I both flatted at the same time thanks to a nursery trimming their weeds and blowing it into the road:Mad: We were about a mile from home and Gina's front wheel didn't seem to be doing too well so I switched our fronts.

    She mounted her bike and said "WHOAH!". I think she was surprised by the stiffness and said it felt really tall. I did notice her Racelite was a little wimpy under my weight.

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    The quick/cheap fix is to get one of your existing wheels rebuilt by a competent wheel builder. You have three decent hub/rims there. Why buy another wheel? I would replace all the spokes though and start fresh.

    I've heard people complain about Mavic Op's being flexy (like Beanz) and other people really love them. I think it really depends on who builds the wheel and how they build it. I've had a same set of Mavic OPs since 1999 and after rebuilding them after 300 miles (because the original build sucked) have never touched them. I have no idea how many miles are on them but it's a lot. They work great with no flex or other issues.
    It doesn't get harder, you just go slower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homeyba View Post

    I've heard people complain about Mavic Op's being flexy (like Beanz) and other people really love them.
    Like Beanz? I didn't say flexy on the OP's. I said noisey, bead works loose and splitting brake surface. I mentioned flexy on the Bonti Race rims. Watch yourself Mister!

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    Actually doing a couple things.

    Monday contact Neuvation and go from there. My problems all started with a spoke that came loose to the point I could spin nipple by hand after that they have been a headache before that they were great.

    Going by a local shop tomorrow that deals pretty high end and talk to them see if they seem compitent at wheel work. I actually have a full set of spare spokes thanks to Neuvation including them with the wheels.

    I am just frustrated because I would like a straight reliable wheel in 3 weeks for a triathlon. I dont want to stip because I am rubbing the brakes 1/2 way through.

    In the end I am thinking Christmas may be new wheels build up all around for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Like Beanz? I didn't say flexy on the OP's. I said noisey, bead works loose and splitting brake surface. I mentioned flexy on the Bonti Race rims. Watch yourself Mister!
    OPs or is that oops... That's my lesdexia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Like Beanz? I didn't say flexy on the OP's. I said noisey, bead works loose and splitting brake surface. I mentioned flexy on the Bonti Race rims. Watch yourself Mister!
    I've mentioned OPs being flexy. They're tensioned properly, etc. (Did the work myself.) But they were originally built with 14/15 db Wheelsmith spokes and I think double-butted spokes feel like I'm going to fold a wheel in half when I stand up to hammer on a steep hill.
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    My stock wheels gave out earlier this year and I ended up getting a set of Mavic CXP22s laced to 105 hubs from Bicycle Wheel Warehouse. I commute over railroad tracks and bounce over seams between road and MUP, as well as various bumps on bridges for heat expansion and all kinds of pot holes. There was even one bump I hit that I thought sure would have damaged something, but it didn't. I have around 1200 miles on them so far (I am 5'11" and 210 pounds now, was 220 when I bought them) and they are still true. My old wheels were a constant source of frustration until they gave completely out and I had to get something new and stop making excuses.

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    Quick update. Tried a new shop that sells and services higher end bikes (some 10,000+). They looked at the wheel and retensioned it for $15 on the spot. Quick 8 mile ride when I got home and still tru. This may not solve everything, but it may time will tell. All I know is for now it is cheaper and quicker and works better with my schedule. Got to love being a poor teacher haha.

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