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Clydesdales/Athenas (200+ lb / 91+ kg) Looking to lose that spare tire? Ideal weight 200+? Frustrated being a large cyclist in a sport geared for the ultra-light? Learn about the bikes and parts that can take the abuse of a heavier cyclist, how to keep your body going while losing the weight, and get support from others who've been successful.

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Old 10-12-09, 10:00 AM   #1
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Indoor Trainers...

I posted this on the ROAD side and have gotten NO response...

looking for info on one from someone who has used or currently uses...

magnetic?

fluid?

I found a Kurt Kinetic fluid and it is priced about right... do I need to install a solid axle? or just how do these work as far as hooking to the bike...

any help on this mater would be greatly appreciated... I'll need it since I get to have shoulder surgery again...

thanks in advance...
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Old 10-12-09, 10:04 AM   #2
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You will sometimes receive a new metal skewer for the rear with the purchase of a trainer. Otherwise talk to your LBS or order one.

They are simple to setup and you will get instructions with the new purchase. I prefer my rollers for workouts, but I have a trainer on days that I don't won't to work on balance and just want a boring workout.
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Fluid is the way to go, specifically the Kurt Kinetic Road Machine. Mine came with a spare skewer; the only reason to use it was so you didn't scratch up a fancy skewer when mounting the bike on the trainer. In addition to the trainer, you'll want a front-wheel block so that the bike stays level.
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Old 10-12-09, 11:18 AM   #4
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BTW, trainers are boring! You'll get more excitement watching paint dry or grass grow. I couldn't stand the boredom of my Kurt Kinetic trainer, so I ended selling it pretty quickly. Luckily, I bought it for a great price and was able to get most of my money back...
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Old 10-12-09, 11:36 AM   #5
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Fluid, magnetic, whatever.

The large LBS recommends not attempting to ride with fluid trainers because 1) they will kill you 2) when the fluid gets hot, they (*may) leak.
I do not believe that this is an issue with Kurt Kinetic and the nicer fluid trainers.
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Old 10-12-09, 11:42 AM   #6
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kewl!

yeah I read some reviews about the older fluid trainers leaking... said the newer designs with newer fluids? are much much better...

well I know it will be as boring as heck but already have 8 inches or so of snow and ice and I am going to have another shoulder surgery...

I have to do something... original thought was a recumbent stationary so I could read etc etc...

but got some not so good feedback... would prefer my bike that I will be riding anyhow...

just bouncing ideas around... already lost all my leg muscles... I don't want to turn to total mush

PS mount my laptop on my bars or just in front I could surf the net watch DVDs whatever...
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Old 10-12-09, 12:13 PM   #7
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So you got more snow on Saturday than we did in southwest Iowa. I pulled my road bike inside and went for the rollers. I had a good workout and let the dust stay on the trainer. I will probably dust it off and try it more this winter when I need to log a lot of miles and don't want to worry about the rollers.

If you use the trainer, either build a block for the front wheel to sit in, or buy one from Nashbar, Performance or your local LBS. Otherwise it feels like you are riding down hill all the time. I just used scrap 2 x 4 and 2 x 2 for mine. Free is good.
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I purchased a Kurt Kinitic last year.
Very smooth and quiet, and it came with a seperate skewer to replace your current one.
Very easy to set up and use.

I recommend getting a tire that is made for trainers (Continential make one) for best grip.
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flip18436572, normally i live in North Platte NE... they got 15 inches in the first night of this storm..
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I can only stand to ride my trainer for 45 minutes or so at-a-time. Not only are they SUPER BORING, but they just don't offer enough resistance to simulate outdoor riding for me.

Most lower-end trainers don't offer enough resistance for clydes, and the ones that do seem to tear up pretty quickly. It is pretty difficult, but I can push 90 rpm for 5-10 minutes at-a-time on the hardest setting that most indoor trainers have. This does not remotely simulate my cadence on real/outdoor hills with over 10% slope that I commonly ride on around here (40-60 rpm).

I much prefer going to the gym and doing group spin and other aerobic classes. Besides, riding is such a solitary thing, that I'm usually ready for some interaction with my fellow humans during the winter. Additionally, me having to go to the gym promotes cross-training, which prevents burn-out and injuries.

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I agree with Pinyon that going to a gym is a good thing. We just don't have a spin class and I do enough swimming and lifting that I get my cross-training in. I live in a super small town, so finding riding partners is hard to find.

I like riding rollers, rather than a trainer, but I also like the alone time I get also. YES, it is boring.

We only got a few inches of snow on Saturday, but most of it was gone by Sunday morning.
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I purchased a Kurt Kinitic last year.
Very smooth and quiet, and it came with a seperate skewer to replace your current one.
If by "quiet" you mean: loud enough to annoy anyone within a 75-foot radius, then I agree with you.

My Kurt Kinetic Road Machine was quieter than other trainers I've seen/used, but still annoyingly loud. If you set it up indoors so you can watch TV, chances are good that you'll annoy everyone else in the house.
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+1 on Kurt Kinetic Road Machine
+1 on front tire block
+1 on Continental Trainer Tire
+1 on mind numbing after about 45 minutes (1 hour max)

I got a few of the Spinerval videos. They're around 45 minutes and very intense. Great workout. Might want to get a floor mat to protect your floor from sweat. Oh, and don't forget a fan.
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whew good news for me! I live alone at the moment... (wife is advanced move party in Denver)

could disturb my French Bulldog but ask me if I care

probably put it in my basement area...

intended on getting front block... wont need a mat... didn't really think about the tire... +1 on my Classic and Vintage fan...

I have nothing but time on my hands... are you sure 60 mins is long enough?
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I can only stand to ride my trainer for 45 minutes or so at-a-time. Not only are they SUPER BORING, but they just don't offer enough resistance to simulate outdoor riding for me.

Most lower-end trainers don't offer enough resistance for clydes, and the ones that do seem to tear up pretty quickly. It is pretty difficult, but I can push 90 rpm for 5-10 minutes at-a-time on the hardest setting that most indoor trainers have. This does not remotely simulate my cadence on real/outdoor hills with over 10% slope that I commonly ride on around here (40-60 rpm).

I much prefer going to the gym and doing group spin and other aerobic classes. Besides, riding is such a solitary thing, that I'm usually ready for some interaction with my fellow humans during the winter. Additionally, me having to go to the gym promotes cross-training, which prevents burn-out and injuries.

Even if you supplement or primarily do non-cycling activities (like I do), the trainer can still provide valuable saddle time to keep the sit-bones used to riding.
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Spinervals or those real-ride videos are great for releiving the mind numbing boredom.

Another great option is DVDs of any stage race...plug it in, and you are racing le Tour...
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I may be strange but I don't find trainers boring. A couple years I used a trainer but I used it to do intervals. IMO, if done right, a trainer is not boring! I actually improved my cycling more on a trainer than I did upgrading the bike!

Try some all out efforts (biggest gear), one minute intervals, 3 minutes between at cruise effort. You need to GO when the clock hits the mark, that's what makes it tough.

Later, throw in some 100+rpm intervals for one minute, 3 minute cruise.

Somedays, alternate the intervals, all out biggest gear, cruise then the 100 rpm+

After 45 minutes, you are spent. If you're bored, you've done something wrong!

I did this for a couple months and totally changed my ride style and speed.

I use a noisy Cylc-Ops trainer. Fan type I guess, but I really don't need a pretty trainer. It's the effort that counts. Throw some AC/DC on the headphones and nothing else matters!
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Beanz hit the nail on the head. If you do it right, you don't need to ride the trainer more than 45 minutes. Maybe 60 minutes with a good warm up and cool down.
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Short dumb question? (I did read the entire thread first) I get what "rollers" are I think? A way to ride your regular bike of choice indoors - correct?

But what is a "Trainer" - simply a stationary bike, or something else? Am I missing something?
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Short dumb question? (I did read the entire thread first) I get what "rollers" are I think? A way to ride your regular bike of choice indoors - correct?

But what is a "Trainer" - simply a stationary bike, or something else? Am I missing something?
Here's a short video of a "trainer". It's basically a contraption that you mount your bike to that allows you to pedal with some resistance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQsk7...eature=related

Here's a video of rollers. They're exactly what they sound like... The difference is that you don't mount your bike to the rollers. You have to balance yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYrqVbsX85c

Edit: Here's a better roller video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiCdm...eature=related

Both allow you to train indoors.

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A quality trainer will flat out kick your ass. If you're beating the trainer, you have the wrong trainer.

But now matter how hard you're working, it is still incredibly boring. I think riding hells bells for an hour and yet never passing the table saw that is 12 feet in front of my bike plays on my mind. You never miss the changing scenery on your bike until it ain't there.

I put a television in front of mine and one of the only ways I can endure an hour is to put on a college hoop game and hammer away until halftime.

I don't even like thinking about the trainer.
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OK - I have to post. I am not an expert road biker...but my rides on my trainer (Cycle Ops - Giant) are the best workout I get! They even beat my spinning classes. OK maybe the revolving steps at the gym are harder - but otherwise they kick my butt!

I do not find them boring since I am so awed and proud that I am riding and sweating buckets. I do the Chris Carmichael DVDs and they really kick butt.


OK - Just wanted to put in my 2 cents. So for me the trainer is a HUGE challenge - staying up on my cadence and doing what the video says to do.....Maybe cause I am not so fast a rider? In any case today I stayed at 90 rpm and varied the intensity by the gears according to the DVD (Critetium)..

So good luck and have fun!

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But now matter how hard you're working, it is still incredibly boring. I think riding hells bells for an hour and yet never passing the table saw that is 12 feet in front of my bike plays on my mind. You never miss the changing scenery on your bike until it ain't there.

I put a television in front of mine and one of the only ways I can endure an hour is to put on a college hoop game and hammer away until halftime.

We have a differetn idea of working out then. No way can I watch tv while working out on a trainer. I'm way too busy trying to keep perfect form while spinning and hammering. I concentrate on keeping my head straight, body in perfect form, trying to keep from bouncing while doing high rpm's, concentrating on a steady fast even spin while making sure the feet are traveling in cirlces.

I pay attention to my body and nothing else. I even lose track of time every once in a while, Ouch, that one hurt!
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We have a differetn idea of working out then. No way can I watch tv while working out on a trainer. I'm way too busy trying to keep perfect form while spinning and hammering. I concentrate on keeping my head straight, body in perfect form, trying to keep from bouncing while doing high rpm's, concentrating on a steady fast even spin while making sure the feet are traveling in cirlces.

I pay attention to my body and nothing else. I even lose track of time every once in a while, Ouch, that one hurt!

Intersting point Mr.Beanz- I do try and think about my pedal stroke - Me I am thinking to pull up since I am always pushing down. Most of my road rides are me trying to keep u[p witht hte gang - so on the trainer I can concentrate on cadence and spinning in a circle.. So hopefully I will do more with the trainer. I just set mine up today in the new house - so hopefully will ride more. Also I think it's impt to measure HR and Cadence to really get the most out of it.
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if I do it right?

umm as far as form goes... I dont think 1 handed (left hand at that) on the bars and my right arm in a sling is going to work out real well!!!!

I hear ya Beanz... always coming with good advice... I have never rode a trainer so I have no clue... I was just wanting to "do somehting" as I recover from surgery... crap if it was up to me I would be on my MTB on a singletrack or something... but that wont work 1 handed either...

I know I will get better and hopefully soon this is the end of the "Great Shoulder Fiasco of 2009"... ( Dog only know I wish it was...)

anyhoo... thanks for all the input!!! back to my movie... 'I Love You Man' I love Phil Rudd and Jason Siegel

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