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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter_C View Post
    In the Hospital...again

    I am currently at the 'Western Reserve Hospital' with Multiple PEs (pulmonary embolisms - or blood clots in the lungs). This is the second time I have had this happen, the last time was back in 03/09. My blood OX is hovering around 91-93% down from my usual of 97-98%.

    At this point I have no clue how long I will need to stay, but I do know that once again I will need to be on blood thinners for at least 6-12 months.

    It goes without saying, I will be unable to do *any* riding until such a time that the clots lessen enough for my blood OX to go back to normal levels. So, once again (unless something changes very quickly) I will miss out of stuff that I so wish to do.

    The only bright point is I caught this prior to it killing me - and so was able to get the X-Ray, CAT scan, and blood work before coming to the hospital.

    Oh well, perhaps Some day my health issues will calm down for a while...
    Man this has been your year for health issues.... Hope you get frequent flyer miles at the hospital....

    Get better soon....

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    Get better soon Peter.

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    The wireless network at the hospital is finally working (been down since I got here).

    Thank you for the 'get well wishes'

    I am *safe* again at this point, now waiting to become "Theraputic" on warferin, and then I shall be released to go home.

    Last time this happened, I can't remember how long it took to free up my breathing - it might be a week, it might be a couple of months. AAs soon as my breathing allows, I will be getting back on my bike - and trying to work on my miles...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    I am sorry to read of this, Peter.

    What changes are you going to make in your lifestyle to overcome these problems, and avoid their recurring in the future?

    The first *change* is simply to stay on blood-thinners until a cause is found, or, failing that, stay on blood thinners the rest of my life. Those are the only options.

    Typically, if a person gets PEs more than once, they are simply put on blood thinners for life, and that's it - 3 doctors (so far) have said that should be my plan.

    I have requested, and met with a blood doctor (hematoligist???) this AM, and a total of 17 vials of blood have been drawn for various tests that will be ran to see if my blood contains any 'markers' that would point at clotting issues.

    AAge and weight *can* be factors *possibly* ((but not smoking - wrong type of clots) - but neither can be the underlying cause. In most cases, they never find out the why, or find out what needs to be done to avoid getting more PEs (other than blood thinners)

    At this point maybe I will learn what can be done or changed to decrease the chances of reacurrence, if not, looks like the only option will be blood thinners (and the needed weekly check of my blood) for the rest of my life.

    Doctors like to point at recent airline travel (none recently), recent below the waist surgery (TKR was too long ago - am told six weeks or more recent) (shoulder was bout nine weeks ago, but no one wants to bother scanning me to check)

    So, to answer your questions Neil - All changes that can be made, are being made, and coming here is the the only course of action that can be taken.
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    Keep your spirits up Peter!

    My wife was put on lifetime blood-thinners (Cumadin?) 4 yrs ago after a required heart-valve replacement (genetics not lifestyle). At first she was a little annoyed at the daily meds and routine blood checks but she now just looks at it as any other daily routine, such as brushing her teeth etc.

    As far as her fitness on thinners, in July she completed the 200+ mile Seattle to Portland ride and last Sunday completed the local WAVE ride of 45 miles. Previously she had zero interest in biking but picked up the pedals in March to join me in training for the STP. She is an inspiration to me, she can kick my a$$ anytime on the hills and can cruise all day on the straights.

    Just get through this yucky time and things will change - they always do

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    peter, how is the shoulder doing?

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    We all are rooting and praying for you Peter.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by magohn View Post
    Keep your spirits up Peter!
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    Just get through this yucky time and things will change - they always do
    Anyone notice how long this 'yucky' time has been???

    Define the start of the yucky time?

    11/09 when I had the TKR?
    07/10 when I had shoulder surgery?
    03/09 when I had my first PEs?
    2004 when I had a knee scope, heart cath, echo,Holter monitor, 2 stress tests, another sleep study?
    2008 when I entered Pain MGNT?
    05/10 when I lost my job of 20+ years?

    My point being, you are right, just need to get past the bad times - but there seems to be a run on the bad times (did not list any that was not me personally)

    Our "Cobra' insurance jumped $128 per month 2 weeks ago, I currently have bout 2K in unpaid medical bills...

    Anyhow, enough whining~!

    Am theraputic with an INR of 3.1 this AM. Warferin is the genaric for Cumadin - FYI.
    Hospital policy is must be five days on Heprin, since my IV was not started til bout 9:30PM Friday evening, the clock is not up til 9:30PM Wednesday evening, and I was told today they will not do evening releases, so most likely will not be set free til Thursday AM.

    A few things I learned myself while here... "splenda" on cornflakes tastes better to me than sugar - go figure. As they only have 'Coke' products here, have been on Fresca only since Friday and hope to continue it - I simply *must* kill the Pepsi habit once and fall all times as (since bored) have proven to myself that my body can no longer tolerate Pepsi - test was no food or drink since bedtime, do a finger stick upon waking to see a blood surgar of 89, no intake of anything but sipping a can of pepsi, halfway through the can and one hour later the blood surgar was 180 - not good. Facts are facts - it needs to die~!

    I *can* start riding as soon as I can do so without feeling like I will pass out - no one knows how soon that will be, but I am welcome to test myself daily as I wish (once I get out of here that is).

    I know when Tom was in the hospital, he didn't do much whining, and, I know that I make a bad patient

    Personally, my biggest concern is if I am on blood thinners for life isn't so much adding another daily pill (Warferin is fairly cheap) - but rather the fact that my Cobra is to run out in March, so if I do not land employment with health care prior to then, I am in deep do-do~!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter_C View Post
    So, to answer your questions Neil - All changes that can be made, are being made, and coming here is the the only course of action that can be taken.
    If you wish to believe smoking, bad diet, and a sedentary lifestyle had nothing to do with it, so be it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cappuccino911 View Post
    peter, how is the shoulder doing?
    It's still there and trying to talk louder/more often than Frank

    This AM for example, my shoulder is throbbing all the way down to my wrist - whether it is really that bad, or that I am simply used to knee pain - is a question. The hospital stopped my anti-inflamatory upon arrival last Friday, today they down-graded me to Celebrex (only one to play nice with blood thinners I am told). Sadly, it will not work as well, and will be much more spendy as I believe there is no genaric for it. 4 days with no anti-inflamatories makes for lots of stabs, twinges, surprises, etc...

    The shoulder *IS* good enough to not stop me from riding now - that's the good news. I am told that in reality, it will most likely be painful for 3-4 more months.

    Surprisingly, I can point-blank tell anyone that shoulder surgery is much worse than a TKR - which surprises me greatly~! As a shoulder is not weight bearing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    If you wish to believe smoking, bad diet, and a sedentary lifestyle had nothing to do with it, so be it.
    OK, I forgot, you know more about this than do the Specialists I have been talking to daily here in the hospital since Friday.

    I was told point blank that Smoking did NOT impact, and can not impact the type of bllod clots that create PEs (smoking can increase chances of other typs of blood clots)

    I was told point blank that both excess weight and age *can* increase the likelihood of PEs, but neither are the underlying cause at all (said all this yesterday - you must of missed it)

    I can not make myself younger. Weightloss is on my list of things to do (as I have stated many times)

    In short, I do not answer to you, your harshness does not help here in any way (or rather, does not help me in any way), it comes across 'to me' as very judgemental, and I believe that people in glass houses should not throw stones.

    The only ones I must answer to are Cindy and God.

    If I wish to live many more years there is much that must change. I know this. I am flawed enough that I cannot change everything at one time. I am not awesome. I have made many changes for the better, and will continue to do so as I can, however, I do also believe in quality of life, NOT, life at all cost.

    You can think what you like and write what you wish, you of course do not need my approval, as I do not need yours. In *my* opinion, you need to lighten up, and possibly consider how other people will read what you write. I for one take offence. ((of course, that is a risk for posting in a public forum, but I would expect better from one I call friend)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter_C View Post
    Anyone notice how long this 'yucky' time has been???

    Define the start of the yucky time?

    11/09 when I had the TKR?
    07/10 when I had shoulder surgery?
    03/09 when I had my first PEs?
    2004 when I had a knee scope, heart cath, echo,Holter monitor, 2 stress tests, another sleep study?
    2008 when I entered Pain MGNT?
    05/10 when I lost my job of 20+ years?

    My point being, you are right, just need to get past the bad times - but there seems to be a run on the bad times (did not list any that was not me personally)

    Our "Cobra' insurance jumped $128 per month 2 weeks ago, I currently have bout 2K in unpaid medical bills...

    Anyhow, enough whining~!

    Am theraputic with an INR of 3.1 this AM. Warferin is the genaric for Cumadin - FYI.
    Hospital policy is must be five days on Heprin, since my IV was not started til bout 9:30PM Friday evening, the clock is not up til 9:30PM Wednesday evening, and I was told today they will not do evening releases, so most likely will not be set free til Thursday AM.

    A few things I learned myself while here... "splenda" on cornflakes tastes better to me than sugar - go figure. As they only have 'Coke' products here, have been on Fresca only since Friday and hope to continue it - I simply *must* kill the Pepsi habit once and fall all times as (since bored) have proven to myself that my body can no longer tolerate Pepsi - test was no food or drink since bedtime, do a finger stick upon waking to see a blood surgar of 89, no intake of anything but sipping a can of pepsi, halfway through the can and one hour later the blood surgar was 180 - not good. Facts are facts - it needs to die~!

    I *can* start riding as soon as I can do so without feeling like I will pass out - no one knows how soon that will be, but I am welcome to test myself daily as I wish (once I get out of here that is).

    I know when Tom was in the hospital, he didn't do much whining, and, I know that I make a bad patient

    Personally, my biggest concern is if I am on blood thinners for life isn't so much adding another daily pill (Warferin is fairly cheap) - but rather the fact that my Cobra is to run out in March, so if I do not land employment with health care prior to then, I am in deep do-do~!
    Send me your resume and I'll get it in the hands of the many headhunters I know. Things have picked up a lot in IT...headhunters are all scrambling for bodies.

    F the splenda, or any other sweeteners...if you want to sweeten your cornflakes, add a banana, fresh blueberries, strawberries, raspberries, etc.

    And make up your mind to quit the soft drinks. My new fav non-soft drink is Snapple - $1.99 for 64oz bottles at Acme.

    Yucky times are part of life...we deal and we move on...keep your chin up pal.
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    My favorite non-soft drink is G2 Gatorade. Costs a little more then Coke/Pepsi, but only has about 40cal per 12oz, and doesn't taste like a diet drink. Makes for a nice change from water once or twice a day. I buy them at Walmart or Target in 12 packs.

    On the discussion with Historian, I have to say that I am with him on this one. I can't say if smoking, bad diet, and a sedentary lifestyle are the cause of all of your health problems, but I think there is no question you would be better off if you would address these issues.

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    Sorry I don't know how do do a snip from someone elses reply. This is what hammond9705 wrote in his last statement.

    hammond9705
    On the discussion with Historian, I have to say that I am with him on this one. I can't say if smoking, bad diet, and a sedentary lifestyle are the cause of all of your health problems, but I think there is no question you would be better off if you would address these issues.

    I am Peter's wife, and he is addressing each of these problems. If you lived with Peter for the last 8 years then you would know that he is doing things to make his life better. Comments like these just don't help, I thought this forum was to encourage and keep people up not critisize or crush people.

    Peter has many issues going on here and he is human and he is taking one issue at a time, no human person can do all of these things at once, that is only putting yourself out to fail. Even if he goes back to smoking and drinking Pepsi, he can get back up again and try again. I would think you guys would encourage that instead of writing crap.

    I of all people understand what life is like, my first husband died in my arms so I know the value of life so don't sit on your little white horse and type all of these things of what Peter should do. He is doing what he should do and the doctors are doing everything they can to encourage Peter and not setting him up to fail.

    So if you would like to help him stop writing crap that none of you know about, you don't live his life and once you have walked in his shoes don't critisize his efforts. I've never seen a more dedicated man than Peter wanting to bike. He wants to become healthy and active and live for me so we can grow old together.

    Encourage him don't ask what he is going to do, tell him you can do this Peter I have faith in you and we are here to support you. If he falls off the wagon then help him back up with encouragement not smoking, bad diet, and a sedentary lifestyle are the cause of all of your health problems. He isn't stupid he knows that he is the one living his life so he knows what he must do and HE will succeed because he has great friends to support him and encourage him.

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    With all due respect Mrs. Peter, when you out your life out there publicly you are going to get good and bad responses from people. I don't think historian is trying to be mean spirited, just realistic . And judging by what I've read about the historian, he's speaking to peter from experience and is overqualified to talk about it.

    I agree, peter can't turn the clock back but every few months these debates come up in this thread. Just now peter admits ti us that he's still been drinking the soda regularly. Have you thought about how that makes US feel? You have strangerus pulling for you and trying to help you and be supportive but now the truth comes out. You say your doing everything you can but your really not. Someone offered to let you borrow their trainer so you could workout on your bike at home while you recuperate and you don't take the offer and then proceed to complain that quitting Pepsi is nothing but taking something you enjoy away. You haven't lost a pound of weight in months; according to your weight tracker you have gained 5 or so . You have a tough set if circumstances no question, but far from impossible. I think you probably need a shrink to figure out why you got to this place to begin with and how to get out of it because you are running out of sympathy from some of us.

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    I haven't commented on this thread BECAUSE I believe the whole thing about "people in glass houses." However I think it's only fair to point out that the Historian's comments were likely not meant to be mean, but maybe tough love? Over the past year, I have shed my wife's weight. There were times it got tough, no question. It was especially difficult when I had to deal with unemployment, debt, sleep apnea, over 400 lbs. of body weight, asthma, decreased lung function, and yea, even PEs (from my legs to my lungs.) So to say that we're all sitting on our white horses and have no idea is a bit presumptuous. In fact, I think many on these Clyde Forums share similar (at least in some part) stories.

    The majority of this thread has been entirely positive and motivating, however I understand that sometime "tough love" is in order. Personally, I'm glad that there were people throughout my journey who were willing to tell me to HTFU when I really needed it. Sometimes it's easy (especially when overwhelmed by so much negativity in your life) to get complacent and just start to accept that this is the way it's going to be. I don't honestly blame people for wanting to push Peter a little harder or hold him accountable for his actions.

    Also understand that with so many issues challenging him, you have to accept that there are some things you can not control. If your employer suddenly decides to drop you, it's sometimes out of your control. If you suddenly get a PE, it is mostly out of your control. These are things that you have to try and work around. But there are certain behaviors (smoking, drinking Pepsi, etc) that are entirely WITHIN your control. You CAN change those habits if you truly want to. And to say that they had NO effect on your current situation is just plain bunk. Maybe they weren't directly responsible. I can give you that. But you have to know that these things didn't just mysteriously happen for no reason. It's no great surprise that all my major health issues disappeared as soon as I dropped 100+ pounds.

    I think the things that people give Peter the most guff about are the smoking and Pepsi, and rightfully so. You can quit both if you simply put your mind to it. If you think you can't, you're admitting that you are too weak to help yourself. I promise that if you give up those things, your health will begin to improve, even if you made no other changes in your life. You CAN do it. You talk about quality of life over life at all costs? REALLY? Are you saying you'd rather be bed-ridden and on all kinds of meds for the rest of your significantly shortened life just so you can have Pepsi and cigarettes? Sorry, but my definition of "quality of life" is being healthy. And no "healthy lifestyle" has EVER included those two things.

    In closing - Mrs. Peter - we love Peter like our brother and want to keep him around too. We're using the same playbook, just maybe a different page. And Peter - take what people are saying to heart. They really do want what's best for you. It may not be what you want to hear, but we all just want to see you healthy and out there with us again. Best wishes for your speedy recovery.
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    Closing Thread

    Time to close this thread I believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter_C View Post
    Written on 10-12-2009
    I am doing this for a few reasons. I like to write, and it helps me to put the stuff in my head into perspective. Plus, possibly there are others that might possibly gain some insight from all of this, and/or from any replies that might be posted. Replies are welcome, or not. But I think that 30 years off a bike, being so over-weight, the heart issues, the smoking, and the soon to happen knee replacement, may lead to some interesting reading. Perhaps, or perhaps not.
    When I wrote the above, I meant what I wrote.

    Hopefully some folks may get some info from reading these pages, perhaps not. I have learned a lot. The actual writing has helped me a fair bit.

    I have never expressed a desire for "sympathy" from anyone in this thread. Whether people read it or not, reply or not is not of any great concern to me.

    People of course have the right to their opinions. I knew full well that writing plainly of my thoughts and issues would put me at risk of getting replies I did not wish to get (or read). But, I am done now. As far as I am concerned, my input into this thread is done as of this writing.

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    Hey there Peter and faye82, just a word from yet one more bonehead on the internet. I have not yet met you, but some day hope to, but we'll worry about that later. I wanted to let you know how impressed I am with the strength of the both of you. You have BOTH had a real yucky...no, crappy run of it. I mean, health issues aside, losing a "good job" is enough to kill anyone's spirits, then, throw in a little (or a lot) health challenges and well, you know. Opening yourself to the forum can be good or bad. First, you wanted a bit of kudos for your weight-loss. Second,you were hoping for encouragement on the health/ pepsi/ smoking part of your life. Third, you are really getting down on yourself (understandably), and were baring your soul to those who you hoped would help. Since I started reading your posts, you, along with Tom Stormcrowe, The Historian, and many others have been a source of inspiration to me , so I thank you for being so open. Quitting is hard. Quitting many things many times is harder. You keep trying and that I commend. It is so easy to feel like all is lost, but you keep "asking" for encouragement by your posts. Sure, many of them sound like you are whining, but heck, who wouldn't be?
    I know you WILL get through this, just like you have survived so many set backs. Just remember, that light at the end of the tunnel is your future. Sometimes it is hard to see or seems a bit dim, the only way to find out is to keep moving forward. It is easy to look back and say,"I should have, or maybe if", but obviously you can't change the past. By updating us, you are moving forward, and helping others with their struggles too. This is just my ramblings opinions, but I'm sure shared by many. We can't be upbeat all the time, but looking at the positive things in your life sometimes helps. I know I'm not telling you anything new, just reminding you that good things still exist. If you don't believe me Peter, just read your wife's posts. She loves you and wants the best for you. We all do. One more thing, if you don't think that losing 60 pounds hasn't made a difference, grab 60 pounds of free-weights, put them in a backpack and carry them around for a day. 60 pounds is a great accomplishment that you should be proud of and bragging about. I know you don't like walking for exercise, but I go "hiking" several days a week now, and you are invited anytime. Rest up and keep your chin up and it Will get better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter_C View Post
    Time to close this thread I believe.



    When I wrote the above, I meant what I wrote.

    Hopefully some folks may get some info from reading these pages, perhaps not. I have learned a lot. The actual writing has helped me a fair bit.

    I have never expressed a desire for "sympathy" from anyone in this thread. Whether people read it or not, reply or not is not of any great concern to me.

    People of course have the right to their opinions. I knew full well that writing plainly of my thoughts and issues would put me at risk of getting replies I did not wish to get (or read). But, I am done now. As far as I am concerned, my input into this thread is done as of this writing.

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    The thread should have been closed long ago, once it became clear you wanted to live in denial. Enjoy. It's your choice.

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    On the discussion with Historian, I have to say that I am with him on this one. I can't say if smoking, bad diet, and a sedentary lifestyle are the cause of all of your health problems, but I think there is no question you would be better off if you would address these issues.
    I'm routinely cast as the villain in Peter's drama for writing the truth. Let me grab my black cape......

    This whole thread is a cautionary tale in denial and the search for the magic pill. Cycling is not the cure-all. Getting on a bike doesn't mean your problems will go away. You still have to address them.
    The OP says, in different words, he doesn't want to. Which is perfectly OK. We all make choices with the cards we are dealt. They may be good choices, and they may be not so good choices. But they are our own. Except for Peter, who is always the victim.

    I wish Peter well with whatever he chooses to do. And if I weren't his friend, I wouldn't have bothered to post any of this.

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    First, Peter I feel for you. I know you do not want sympathy, but I empathize with your situation. It is tough.

    However, the changes you need to make will be hard. The only way to really lose the weight you want is to start eating healthy. That includes quitting Pepsi. Not cutting out the soda is totally ridiculous. Stopping smoking is one thing, and I will give you that one will be tough.

    But Pepsi? Really? You are that addicted you cannot quit?

    Yes you will have caffeine headaches for a few days, but that will subside. Drinking soda of any kind is not good for you. Diet is full of chemicals and regular is full of sugar and calories. Just start drinking water. You wont believe this now, but after a while you actually prefer water.

    It is all about choices. What choices do you want to make? Decide and then do it. Yes, a PE and the rotator cuff have slowed you down, but that is not a reason to not eat healthy and cut out soda. Period.

    What I hear is that you want to lose weight, but are not willing to do the things you need to do to lose it. Getting a bike is a good first step, but like others have said it is not the cure all.

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    I wish you and Cindy well on your journey back to good (or at least better) health. I would have wished you luck but you and everyone else know that luck has nothing to do with it. Keep your head about you, you'll get where you're going. Listen to your doctors and return to physical activity when you are able to do so. In the mean time do whatever you can to improve your situation, no matter how small it is...it all adds up.

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