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    One more thing - I found that I can manage the pain better by myself - that means without medication.

    I find that I can tolerate the pain much better if it comes on gradually. With medication, it came on with a bang, right where it was the most intense.

    I discovered this during therapy one day - and told my therapist. She was very surprised.

    Even though it always hurts, it's better without the drugs ---- and my liver and kidneys thank me every day!

    Start by cutting back, as much as you can tollerate - trying to decrease it every day.

    Believe me, it will get better.... I once begged the doctor to cut off my leg, and now I'm glad that he talked me out of it.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Start by cutting back,[pain meds] as much as you can tollerate - trying to decrease it every day.

    Believe me, it will get better.... I once begged the doctor to cut off my leg, and now I'm glad that he talked me out of it.....
    Oh, I'm on the upswing! That was the point of the TKR after 30yrs! During the next few months working my way off the morphine...

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    PC.... Thank you for doing this. I just sat down and read all of your threads. It took me something like 2 hours but I am glad I did. I am loving this story, this saga you are going thur . One thing out of all of this i can relate to is getting laid off. Back in August of 2008 I broke my back (T9 thur T11) and broke my sternum in two places Freeriding.After two weeks off of work I got the ok to go back to work( they didn't know about the broken back at this time long story) I busted my ass for 4 days to get all caught up. The next day the boss calls me, said he was in town and to meet him at the warehouse when I was done for the day. That is the day he told me I no longer had a job. That nite I went in for my MRI for my back. Got home and I could tell I was not in good shape my T9 looked like broke windshield.Called my doc the next morning told him what I saw.He said don't left anything don't move anything sit and watch TV. Two days later he called me said he had the bad news.(a bunch of stuff happen here that was good and stressed me out) I started to get all those smae thoughts why is all of this happening at once to me what else is around the corner for me.(this made some other problems happen)

    Eventually I got put in a brace.At this point I looked at myself and said losing the job is a blessing, I can heal right and focus on getting myself better.I was lucky I had a buddy that I ride with who works with a great group of docs, and he was part of there PT staff that is in house. So I PMed him showed him the MIRs, he told me which doc at his place I needed to see. I spent a month and half in a brace full time.They let me take it off for 20 mins at a time or until it started to hurt or get to tired. After another month I was going with out the brace but the meds where my friends still. I started PT with my buddy. He knew what I needed to do to get back to what I liked to do. I had 2 months of PT 3 times a week. I was aloud to ride road and easy single track by the end of November just was told to take it easy and don't push to hard. My back is now in better shape now then before I broke it. The PT was hell it hurt but I knew I had to do it. They had a sign on the wall. "You can cry, you can yell, but you can not say you can't do something".And next to that there was one that says "don't come here if you want to whine" Basically they where not being mean by having this up. They just wanted you to know it is up to how much better you get ,it is totally up to you.

    I was very lucky my crash could have been even worse and it was very sobering.I don't take the little things for granted anymore in life I enjoy and embrace them, and reading this thread is reaffirming it to me again. If you need a pick me up I am here to if you need it. If you need tough love I can do that to. If you just need someone to chat with or vent feel very to send me a PM. I like many here on the board are here to help in every we can.

    WE ARE ALL PULLING FOR YOU.

    I am not that far from you maybe about 4 hours or so. I make many trips down your way during the winter to visit Rays in Cleveland. If you need a riding partner sometime during the warmer months and I can make it down there I am there for you brother!

    Well back to working out, got to make the most of me being laid off again.I got some weight to lose has well I would like to lose some 60lbs. Got to stop this unhealthy cycle while I am young still.

    PS: I got and old bell trainer I can part with I think.If you want it let me know.
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    Quick Update!

    I have a DR APPT tomorrow so, am getting out of the house! First time since coming home...

    Blood work, etc - it's my primary DR and he wants to meet Frank. Can't remember if I gave you my official RoM from the rehab guy, it was 10-97 degrees - which is enough to put me on a stationary bike and start spinning - let the pain begin!

    Am calling my insurance tomorrow - is PT at home on the same count as PT at a facility? Am told all are different - so I'd best check that fast!

    I did 1 1/2 laps of my driveway, but had to quit (was hoping for 2) - was I stuck down at the end??? Nope, I is smart...LOL... did first 'lap' OK, sat for bout 8 minutes, started going down the drive from the house and called it halfway, and turned around and came back - oh well. There are good days, better days, and days you just want to get over and done with.

    Gaining stability and some confidence, slow but steady - first 'bath' with zero help! It's the little things in life...

    fattyJC - thanks for your kind words! You never know what the future will bring, but since I am a 'worrier' - it sux!! So i try not to think about it, and focus on my knee, wiping my Mom's computer (again), and working on my knee, and reading... harrassing people here, and working on my knee - you get the picture.

    Hope I can sleep tonight! Only took a 2hr nap today...
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    Just remember the KISS rule and everything will work out.

    KEEP. IT.SIMPLE.STUPID

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    UPDATE

    Today was both good stuff and bad stuff. But, at least it is almost over!
    It's becoming a habit, Frank woke me at 3AM this morning, and I could not return to bed until 5AM. So, I got roughly a chunk of 4hrs, and another chunk of 3hrs, before calling it quits. Got up and while brushing my teeth, got a nose-bleed for no reason I could think of. My BI-PAP didn't run out of water (causing dryness) and the 'Fragmin' I have been on (plus my aspirin) shouldn't make my blood that thin? Got it stopped with pressure, and it didn't come back - weird...

    I called and cancelled the in home PT for this afternoon. Honestly, am not impressed at all. The time they are here is more spent on wound care, making sure my home is safe for me, making sure there is nothing I need, and the lowest item on their agenda seems DOING any PT. Now, any of you out there that has gone to PT sessions anywhere knows what I am griping about. When you 'go to PT', you are barely alive when done, are glad you do not have to come again tomorrow, etc - because they whip your BUTT and make you work! I NEED THAT!

    Trust me, I work the leg all day, every day - perhaps too much - but, I do NOT do all the exercises as I should, I am one of those guys that needs someone standing over them counying, and poiting out how I am doing it wrong, etc. I will benefit from that type of PT. Plus, my RoM is enough, why hasn't someone put me on a stationary bike and started to kill me??? Yes, I know, only 11 days since Frank got installed, but I say - why waste time???

    So Monday am going to call my health insurance first to verify if 'in-home' and 'out-patiant' are on different clocks, or the same one. Regardless of the answer I will then call SUMMA and either kill the rest of the in-home visits, or else, nicely as possible complain about not getting what I need from the visits. Sure, the first one - heck, the guy even changed the height of the chair for my bathtub, and suggest the method I use to bathe - I needed that...but now the only reason for the walker over the cane is fear of falling.

    I have bout enough range of motion that a fall should (likely)not destroy anything, but it is so soon after surgery, that any kind of fall is gonna hurt pretty bad - even if no damage. So that's first on my list, slow and careful!!

    WEIGHT - On surgery day I weighed 342LBS, lowest weight in many years - good for me. Today I weigh 347LBS. Not the end of the world, but feels pretty close right now, which is silly.I had been steadily losing for the last 7-8 weeks, but now, in eleven days I have gained five pounds. On a guy my size, that is nothing! But, weight is weight!

    Questions in my head? Does a leg weigh more or less after a TKR? I will ask that in five days. I am on ZERO 'water pills' now for the first time in like 2yrs, possibly 'healthy' water retention is part of this five pounds.

    I need to keep losing weight just because, AND, for my health - YES! I DO STRESS over the little things - that is who I am, and I for one do not see that as bad! Because when you focus on the little details - usually the result makes people happy!

    DR APPT went well, no surprises there, took 2 tubes of blood today. And becayse my at rest heartrate has been climbing uphill again, He put me back on "Bystolic" 5mg daily (small dose) and already tonight my HR was 95 - first time under 100 since 10-29. I see the heart DR next Tuesday, and hope he doesn't add back on a bunch of pills - I kinda like only being on nine different scripts - much better than the 26 I used to be on. Talking to my best ha;f - we're agreed, we need to lower our MEDs cost, like ASAP. Even with insurance, ALL my meds cost likealmost $500.00 bucks out-of-pocket. Lucky me. DR sent me home with samples of 4 of my meds - that saved a chunk right there!

    Got back to the house bout 12:30, got my step-dad to put all my stuff but my coat and walker into the house before he left. I walked around a bit, then let all the dogs out and played with them for almost an hour. Nyla would go get the ball, but would lie down with it partway back (OK daddy, time to rest) Got the kids all back into the house, and upstairs, and got all settled, and did a little work on my Mom's puter. Other than posting, and a bunch of reading - that was my day.

    Not much else to say - just the day is ending, and I wish it was a better one. Not the end of the world, and there are a lot more days coming up! OH! One thing, I try so hard to not "use stuff", and to not do things that create the need for picking up - my poor wife is so burt out - between her job, her legally blind Mom her Dad passed April this year, she comes home just wiped.

    Can't help it - Babe, can I have some ice for Frank? Will you P/U this, or get me that. And right now, I C A N N O T do these things myself! But, the look I see on her face... she doesn't say anything, but the look - so I go without. But it's not enough... I need to be able to walk fast...
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    Stress can also affect your ability to lose weight you got to figure out how to relax a little. Also with it getting drier out out nose bleeds can happy cause it gets so dry up there. Drink water and lots of it. What is your diet like right now, what are you eating. When loseing weight you can have ups and downs just stick with it and you will lose it.

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    Sunday, 13 days since the surgery! No infection - thank you God! Took another bath/shower -thingy today - all by myself - wow! Peter's becoming a big boy! The 23" wound is starting to itch (which is good) but still frustrating! Two of the pieces of 'tape' have fallen off today - I am used to stitches, not whatever it is that got done - all you see is a line - two walls of flesh butted against each other - may be the latest and greatest - I call it gross and scary! I assume it will heal as a smaller scar than I have already! The old scar is/wasbout 20 X 0.75 - course scar tissue does NOT tan, nor stretch easily... shrug.

    Cin and i went for a drive after my 'clean-up', with ME driving. No where special to go, so went do to Ernie's parking lot Lake RD and RT 21. Was approaching full dark, but got to scope out the size of the shop, the facilities for the riders on the tow path. Saw how one piece continued noth along RT 21, I guess all the way to Dover? And the other piece that sort of goes SSW - kept driving and found where that same path crosses RT93, and another spot closer in towards Massillon where it crosses another road with parking for 3-5 cars maybe. Bout that time we decided to head back home. Was in the car for roughly 90 minutes, without the pain jacking up at all - got out, bit stiff, but easliy able (with the walker) to go stare at my Bike for a bit, then walk out the overhead door and around to the front door to go in (no steps that way). No drama, just was. Was bout 30 minutes late for my evening pills and good feel it too.

    Can't wait til I can start writing about the Bike all the time instead of me! It sounds like between Sam really listening to my wants and needs, and read some other threads about gearing and hills, that I can't do much better than what I've got in the way of tooth counts front and back. My lowest gear for hills (smallest from sprocket, largest rear sprocket) - I've got 22 teeth on my smallest front sprocket, and 32 teeth for my largest rear sprocket. Any thoughts, opinions, etc? Trying to give myself all the edge I can starting out, should I be happy right here?

    For completeness, and those that haven't read everything - I have a 2010 Giant Suede DX 21SP - added fenders, rear rack, comfy seat, and upgraded tires Marathon Supreme, 50-559, Reflex, Folding 26 X 2.00 @ 70PSI (people say I can run em at 80PSI all day long?)

    I think it's bout time to get me on a staionary Bike! Will see what tomorrow brings on the phone!
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    don't worry about your gears. what you have is plenty low enough, if you run out of gear with 22/32 you will probably know well in advance that the hill you are looking at will be difficult(like by the white snow peaks and climbers waving as you ride past them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by subligar View Post
    don't worry about your gears. what you have is plenty low enough, if you run out of gear with 22/32 you will probably know well in advance that the hill you are looking at will be difficult(like by the white snow peaks and climbers waving as you ride past them).
    +1 to what subligar said.

    Your gear setup will serve you well for some time to come.

    You just need to concentrate on getting better and work on your range of motion, etc.
    so you can get on the bike when your body feels up to it.

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    You just need to concentrate on getting better and work on your range of motion, etc. so you can get on the bike when your body feels up to it.
    UPDATE

    OK - last Thursday my primary DR decided to start me on "Bystolic" again as my heart rate is going too high. Well, today I saw my Heart DR (first time since the Heart Cath - so the TKR, the Kidney failure, etc are all new stuff for him)

    Weight today was 349LBS - DAMN IT! I'm going the wrong dang way!!! Was 342 morning of surgery. DR is pleased with a total weight loss of 28LBS since my heart cath, and the smoking - was happy to hear that as well. He changed no meds - so that is good, give me more samples - so that will help! Next APPT in six months (a good sign)

    While waiting for the PT guy to show up, I did 5 laps on my driveway. Knew that 'Rollator' would come in handy! Am bout at the point of being able to walk fairly normal now, (which you can't do with a walker) but can with a Rollator - sorta like pushing a shopping cart but with a chair ready and waiting for you (and brakes too).

    So, my RoM is now 7 to 102 degrees, and I have lost 1cm of swelling around my knee. The PT guy is going the other way, I need to give the tissue time to heal, etc... I know that - why I am watching the swelling so closely, and making sure I do not fall.

    Anyhow, knee DR tomorrow, so we shall see...
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    Just in case you ever forget, you're doing a hell of a lot. I know some people who've lost a pile of weight (facing diabetes, etc), but not at the same time that they got a replacement knee. On the weight, don't forget that you and your doctors are fiddling a lot of knobs right now, just keep at it (says the guy who hates dieting with a passion), and don't get demoralized. The bike should help once your knee is up to it.

    And your bike sounds fine to me. Good tires, which is very important. You're not going to do much better than that on the gearing. Your weight is going to be the main problem on hills -- physics is physics, and normal people (i.e., not Lance Armstrong) can only cycle so much oxygen through their lungs. (I ride a cargo bike, sometimes hauling a kid up a hill, and "losing 70 pounds" is a big help.)

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    Soon Frank and you will be riding far and long, just give it time, you know how to do it now, just a minor detour in time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr2chase View Post
    Just in case you ever forget, you're doing a hell of a lot.
    Peter C gets distracted at times. He's accomplished more than many men have in giving up the cancer sticks.

    Perhaps he'll stop and give thanks today for all he's done and all he's doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    Peter C gets distracted at times. He's accomplished more than many men have in giving up the cancer sticks.

    Perhaps he'll stop and give thanks today for all he's done and all he's doing.

    Quitting smoking is a fabulous accomplishment. What do you mean thanks? Peter achieves on his own strength with the gentle support of those around him.

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    UPDATE TIME

    FYI - no preaching from me - I believe in God, and his Grace. Today is Thanksgiving Day, and I made comments in another thread, but as many others do, I have much to be thankful for, including some stuff I can neither see nor understand.

    I saw the Knee DR Wednesday, and he too was pleased with both my RoM, and my strength, and yes, he stressed that fact that I *need* to get to ZERO - and that should be my primary focus in PT. The way he explained it to me, 7 degrees of bend when walking is like carrying more weight, the stride will be unbalenced (due to my other knee at zero), and in time will create hip issues - Keep in mind, this guy is after perfection both for himself and for his patients. Cane can replace walker around the house, but give it another week or two outside the house - DO NOT FALL - bits and pieces are still finding their places - so no falling. I can do whatever pain and swelling will let me do. Next APPT is 02-10-09.

    Good news / bad news - My health insurance will pay for 20 PT visits - GREAT NEWS! But, there is a $25 co-pay per visit! OUCHIE Bad New for a guy not working. So, I have a list of 21 PT places my KNEE DR recommends, only one of which focuses on *cycling*. So I need to see if any of these will work with me, or defer the co-pay until I am working again.

    I do not need PT to exercise, or work on RoM, or on power, I have the knowledge and willingness to get what I need without it. BUT - the hot tank to soak the leg in to stretch out the knee from 7 degrees I do not have! The stationary 'recumbent' Bike for low impact training on my new knee I do not have. See my points? I need *some* great PT - how many sessions, I do not know - so, another hurdle to get past.

    Big day tomorrow qith Cin and her Mom! Breakfast out, and 'Black Friday' at a couple of stores for my Mother in-law Rose - I am going for the walking with my Rollator! Blanket and pillow going too, in case I end up just sleeping in the back seat - But i want to do something besides laps on my driveway!

    End of day 17, and I can leg lift (at 7 degrees) and hold for 60+ seconds - oh, they took the rest of the tape off the 'cut' (lack of a better word choice) so I can put "Neosporin" on all 23" of it four times daily now - how gross! But, no more TET hose, or shots in the belly.

    Still not smoking, still miss not smoking. Still staring at my pretty Bike hanging in the garage, just waiting and wondering...
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    Ireally tried to post a NEW thread on the main page, but no matter what 'editor' I have, when I click on 'post new thread' all I get is this huge screen with a side-to-side scrollbar that just won't quit! Anyhow...

    I got to meet a fellow Clyde today purely by chance, and feel that I came off very rude and wish to apologize! I was out and about with my wife and mother-in-law today, running errands, and driving around, and trying to work my leg. I sweet-talked them into letting me drive out to this neat (sounding) Bicycle Shop in Peninsula, OH. Wife and Mother in-law are staying in the car and I am told to "not be too long" while they are waiting - so am fairly sure we all know how that works - most anything over 10-15 minutes is "too long".

    So me, Frank and my Rollator push my way across the gravel parking lot and have to open a door that swings out and course my Rollator gets stuck in the door - so I look like an idiot - and I finally get inside and wish to just melt away...(but, remember, I gotta be fast too) - and this nice guy comes up and asking if I had just gotten my knee done, and I said yes, and he mentioned BF, and gave me his name, not once, but twice (I am horrible on names) and we spoke for like 30 seconds, and next thing I knew he was gone! I never said Good-Bye, asked if he was here on his bike, or if this was his regular shop or any of the normal things friends do when meeting in person unplanned - so I sux!!!

    I really wanted to put this on the main page so he will see it for sure and know that I am not normally a rude kind of guy! All I can plead is the wife/mother in-law clock thing, amd Frank yapping at me constantly! And here it is maybe three hours after this happened, and I bet I would not even spot him in a line-up! Guess that's why I don't have many friends huh? All I can say is it truly was nice to meet a fellow Clyde in person, I hope we can meet again (when I have more time) and perhaps could trade names and numbers etc... I really am not such a rude person, and I am sorry, and I hope my fellow Clyde will see this!

    The bike shop is/was really cool name is "Century Cycle" and the have three shops in OH. I'd been all over their internet site, and it was one of the shops I was planning to visit while Bike shopping but never got that far. I signed up for their monthly newsletter, and one of the things in it is they try to run a *special* - in store only, while supplies last kind of a thing, and at this time it was two different pair of gloves - both 50% off. Really nice gloves!

    Anyhow, did a lot of walking today - picked up Rose at 8:30Am and went from there! Frank did not 'let go' or 'release' on me once! So I am pleased by that - sore and gimpy sure - but in time that will work out.

    But I call this a bad Karma day for Peter. It was super neat to meet someone from the forum, but it sucks that I did not do my part, and I pray that my rudeness (or lack of proper attention) can be over looked, and I know you said your name twice, but I need least 5-10 times for it to stick!
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    It could have been Chipcom, or any of a number of other folks. There are a lot of Clydes in that part of the Buckeye State. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedWhiteandRed View Post
    Quitting smoking is a fabulous accomplishment. What do you mean thanks? Peter achieves on his own strength with the gentle support of those around him.
    I've overcome a lot in my own life, some of which I've written of here, and I still give thanks. Yes, I did it, but I'd be a fool to think I did it without help. Peter C. is not a fool. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Historian View Post
    I've overcome a lot in my own life, some of which I've written of here, and I still give thanks. Yes, I did it, but I'd be a fool to think I did it without help. Peter C. is not a fool. :-)
    Naw, this is the place where it all got started! No-one lives in a vacum, and Lord knows I need help all the time! I take credit for being smart enough to ask for help - but it didn't, and doesn't ever just happen all by itself.

    Ya, I take credit for quitting ahead of schedule, and ya, I'm the guy that still misses it at least once or three times every day - but I am also the guy that needs to hear other people's voices, thoughts and opinions. This is why I do what I do! Because I can not do it by myself, and I learned that a long time ago! But, I can ask dumb questions on a bike forum like "Hi, I weigh 378LBS and haven't ridden a bike in the last 30 yrs, and I am wondering if they make a bike that doesn't cost a forture that will work for someone of my size" - or words to that effect - and People like Neil and Tom and BPJ(and many, many others) jump in and say HI, and ya, if you work at it, it can be done...

    I do not agree with everything everyone says here, but in my mind we all have the right to think how we think - and I wanna hear it all cuz some of it will leak in and help me become a better me! and BTW - "Chipcom" sounds either correct or real close! Again - whomever it was that I met the other day, please forgive me for being whatever you care to call it - no real excuses - but between Frank, and my wife and Mom in-law waiting out in the car I simply did not give you the attention you deserve! So again, I wish to say I am sorry! I was excited to be in the new toy store, and to get my really great gloves and blew-it big time. I am a nice guy (Usually) and I let you get away without really evening chatting with you - yuck!

    But - to be proud of not smoking - only if I never did, or, only if I quit the first time and stayed quit. I have a plan, and I am hoping it will work. I have bout 6-8 months before I start getting really upset at quiting something I really like, and not getting something in return - so, my plan is, by then, I *hope* to be hot-n-heavy backing into biking, so will want to stay quit for better *wind*. That's the plan, and I am bout 1/3 of the way along it now. I got Frank, am losing weight, quit smoking (Cindy can still stand being around me), I'm down almost 30% already on the morphine - since it looks like my employer of 19yrs decided to not bring me back, I should have plenty of time to get this leg whipped into shape!

    While it's not *all* good, it mostly is...

    A few new short term goals:
    325LBS by Christmas
    Zero degrees and 120 degrees (RoM) by Christmas
    Cane only (or better) by Christmas

    ...
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    Well today is the first PT session. My knee DR knew of a therapist that is an avid rider himself, and this is where I am going today at 2PM. Frank is 22 days old today, and I am almost to using a cane (inside the house). I am very stressed to see if/when I can get on the stationary bike, so I can see how long til I can get onto my Bike.

    Gotta remember, the entire goal here was for me to be able to get back on a Bike and get riding again. What people say, and what really happens, are not always the same. 30yrs ago a knee surgery took me off my Bike forever. so we will see if Frank will let me ride or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter_C View Post
    But - to be proud of not smoking - only if I never did, or, only if I quit the first time and stayed quit.
    I quit smoking somewhere between 20-25 years ago. It's been so long that I can't actually remember when. One thing that is both amusing and amazing to me is the strength of the addiction. This is demonstrated to me on a surprisingly frequent basis. At least once or twice a month, I will wake from a deep sleep by the very real sensation of a cigarette slipping from my fingers. In my dream, I am aware that I am sleeping, but the fact that I quit smoking so many years ago is not a part of my dream. My sleeping brain immediately seizes on this sensation as a sign of danger (after all, who really wants to burn down the house?) and wakes me in the most jarring fashion. I'm talking about adrenaline pumping, heart racing, and sheer sweaty fear. Fortunately the sensation quickly passes, and I am able to go back to sleep immediately. But the message that this conveys to me is that I am still susceptible to cigarettes even after all this time. I try very hard to not be preachy to my friends about smoking (even when they are complaining about how the economy has hurt them, but still are spending $4-$10 per day on smoking), but there is no doubt in my mind that if I allow myself that first cigarette, I will be back to 2-3 packs a day in very short order. Be strong and don't give in that first time. It gets easier. I can't imagine trying to quit while in the middle of all the other stress that you are going through. When you finally get back on your bike, you're going to need a trailer to haul the gigantic brass orbs that you must have to be going through all of this with such grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonotes View Post
    Be strong and don't give in that first time. It gets easier. I can't imagine trying to quit while in the middle of all the other stress that you are going through. When you finally get back on your bike, you're going to need a trailer to haul the gigantic brass orbs that you must have to be going through all of this with such grace.
    Thank you for both you kind words, and your support! As for doing all this stuff at once...it just sorta happened this way. It wasn't really planned, in fact, the non smoking was going to wait until my cycling made me feel that I needed to quit - but then the cost and not having a job, and people saying it is better to be quit BEFORE surgery...so here I am. It is nice, as I can not cheat. I have no $$ to buy any with, and currently I am not around anyone that smokes - so even if I wanted to cheat, I cannot.

    Well I went to PT today for the first time, and simply the 'evaluation' kilt me! I am going to take a nap and hope that Frank will stop muttering for a while. The REALLY great news is, in all measurements, I am more like what the average person is at 5-6 weeks, rather than my 22 days - so that pleases me, but I still have a long way to go. Least while I haven't lost any weight, I am not gaining any back - so that is a small plus.
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    UPDATE

    Well, I've dropped 2LBS of what I added after surgery, so that is a plus! Went to PT tonight already hurting - so I already knew this was gonna be a fun one. Once nice thing about this place, is they have enough space that if it takes you 2hrs 15minutes to do what you were supposed to do in 60 minutes, you can. So milking it ain't gonna get you out of anything here, oh no! We are all sorta thinking that I am doing too much here at home because my swelling is worse than it was 2 days again, and my RoM went backwards because of it (12 and 94 - yay).

    But we all know there are ups and downs, and I am not even 4 weeks yet. I DID get on a bike today - was told to let it go til it felt tight, then go backwards til it felt tight - do it for 10 minutes, and (was told) people seem to make it all the way around backwards first. At about 9 minutes, I did make it all the way around twice - backwards - but it didn't feel too good.

    Did my good deed for a while - my Mom's 'puter was acting up for some time, so I had her drop it off, and I wiped it clean, did a fresh install for her - not bad, she lasted bout 4yrs between wipes, and for a newbie, that is very good!.

    Now, the crux of the day... what to do...

    My employer of 19yrs did not like it one bit when I went into Pain MGNT. They felt the pain meds took my edge away, and lowered my performance. So when I told them I was having the TKR (which would get me out of Pain MGNT) they didn't like that either (yes, 4th quarter is our busiest time of the year - but in fairness to me, when I asked the heart DR if I could wait til JAN 2010 - he said (in front of my wife no less) that he did not think I'd be alive if I waited til Jan) - so what's a guy to do? I scheduled the surgery and had it, and my employer said "hope you get better, but no hurry coming back"... remember, 19yrs in this family business...

    So then I learn, when I am off the morphine completely, I can come back. Well - that's nice - surgical pain lasts 4-8 weeks for most people, and my Pain DR said it'll take least 90 days to get me off it completely (been on it so long)...

    Now, here are some facts - I do not hide anything - I left the hospital on 120mg of Avensa (time release morphine) and *could* take up to two 15mg MSIR (morphine immedite release) for "break-through" pain. The plan was that I would see the Pain DR Monday 12/07 - and we'd go from there...

    So, I get an email asking when I was seeing the Pain DR, so I replied and told the boss when, and he say's be at 60mg (or below) and you can start back on 12-08 (with a 20% pay cut - might last a few weeks , or...).

    Well my whole plan IS to get off the Morphine - no question there, but Monday 12-07 is 28 days since surgery, dunno if I am even clear of the surgical pain, much less, how fast can we drop without my body having fun with withdrawls...
    So on 12-01 I dropped to 90mg Avensa, and I don't take any MSIR - a 25% drop, and if kept, will be 7 days when I see the pain DR. Guess what...up most of the night last night due to pain - I'm a big kid, I took two aspirin, and laid in bed til Cin got up...

    So I chicken out before leaving for PT and take 15mg MSIR - and you read above how well the session went. It's been bout 2hrs, ICE, elevated, you know the drill - and my pain level is bout a 6-7. So at 7PM, like a good boy which do I take, I take the 90mg Avensa, and NOT the 120MG one.


    See - even though my employer is (shall we say, less than nice) - I need the job! I like the work I do, and I'm good at it too - after 19yrs, I damn well ought to be. But if I go to the Pain DR Monday, and tell her all the above, I damn for sure won't be leaving there with a script for 60mg Avensa - so bye-bye job.

    I think the answer is I slow down, so I can handle it on the lower dose - so what if rehab takes a month or two longer...beats losing a car, or the house, right? One nice thing here - the Pepsi habit is dying - as there ain't much in the house...cheers!
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    Get off those pain meds asap, and try to get back to normal, by doing normal things.

    Sure, it will be uncomfortable for awhile, but you will get over it much faster.

    The pain meds kept me from doing my best, even at The University of Pain and Torture. Once I got off them, I got better much faster.

    "No Pain, No Gain!"

    p.s. those pain meds are doing a job on your liver and kidneys. You are better off without them.

    You'll get used to the pain ----- trust me!
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