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    I have just found another broken spoke on my lovely Alex rim, it is on the rear. I hate this wheel.

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    I probably had 20 busted spokes and 15 flats on my Alex rims last year. Got new DT swiss and not a single busted spoke or flat. (knock, knock, knock)
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    Funny you mention both brands there, making. I had an Alex DA16 which (after I de-tensioned and retrued/re-tensioned/de-stressed) lasted me until I wore the braking surface down to being unusable. I laced it straight over (same spokes/hub) to a DT RR1.1 and I'll likely get the same result: The rim will wear out before a spoke will break.
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    Yea, I had my Alex rims rebuilt but I have not be able to put them on the ground yet. I am sure it was just a bad build the first time. The 20 spokes is not an exaggeration. If they were all that bad they would not be able to sell any ever.
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    I see big number of riders breaking spokes on Alex rims but eeeeeeeverytime I say sumthin, someone saaaaays I'm worng!

    I've seen V's at the shop for $70 and Alex rims for $20. There's a reason for that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    I see big number of riders breaking spokes on Alex rims but eeeeeeeverytime I say sumthin, someone saaaaays I'm worng!

    I've seen V's at the shop for $70 and Alex rims for $20. There's a reason for that!
    I don't doubt that many people break spokes on Alex rim wheelsets (I'm guessing I'm the guy who says you're wrong?) I just don't attribute it to the rim. Alex Rims are stock on soooo many bikes these days. From their DA16 (the cheap answer to RR1.1s or Open Pros) to Adventurers (the wish-I-was-a-Dyad), they're everywhere... and they don't actually suck as much as people claim if the machine built, mass produced wheels are de-stressed and properly tensioned and trued. It's just like buying a machine built, non-boutique wheel from anywhere else; it's gonna need some TLC before it's really ready for the street.
    Stock wheels are too often undertensioned, unevenly tensioned, not de-stressed, and never brought in for a 250 - 300 mile "check up" to assure things haven't gone awry.
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    I believe it! i had a $99 set of mtn wheels last thousands of miles. As much as riders dis Performance, I had a guy, didn't ask him to, detension and retension the wheels. Superservice but that was that one guy!

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    So what to do with my commuter. I need a 26 inch wheel for a mtb that is used for commuting, and metric rides. I just have not liked the wheel that much, I also do not tune my own, nor do I really have the technical skill to do so. I am just not mechanically inclined, and trust me I have tried, and tried to become mechanically proficient. The regular bike shop has trued this wheel three times with the spoke replacements, so I will also find a new shop over this.
    So for the alex rims, too me they suck, it sounds like they can work if you tweek them.
    On the other hand I love the deep v, with a 105 hub that I had built for my road bike. What would be the mtb version of that?

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    According to my bike shop Alex had a quality control problem in 2008, and received a lot of defective wheels for exchange. Include a 32 spoke one I had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmythology View Post
    So what to do with my commuter. I need a 26 inch wheel for a mtb that is used for commuting, and metric rides. I just have not liked the wheel that much, I also do not tune my own, nor do I really have the technical skill to do so. I am just not mechanically inclined, and trust me I have tried, and tried to become mechanically proficient. The regular bike shop has trued this wheel three times with the spoke replacements, so I will also find a new shop over this.
    So for the alex rims, too me they suck, it sounds like they can work if you tweek them.
    On the other hand I love the deep v, with a 105 hub that I had built for my road bike. What would be the mtb version of that?
    I've got some friends in the PDX. Gimmie until tomorrow to hear back; I'm going to ask them who the best wheelsmiths are there.
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    So after doing minimal research on the web I am thinking the hub will be deore, since that is the line of the rest of my components.
    I am looking at the Ryno lite xl, but have not checked other rims yet.
    So for the more experienced peeps. Would it be less expensive to buy a machined wheel and have it trued by the shop, or should I just have the damn thing built? I am comparing a machined alex rim, which was $85.00 plus labor, with 3 spoke replacements at 30 dollars each, which is 175.00 over a year.
    Go with something like this http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...+Wheelset.aspx
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    Rhyno lite rims have been great for me also.

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    OooooH! I'd go with that sale Timmy! Use the wheels as long as possible. Have them retensioned (mainly the rear). SHould last a LOOOOOONG time. I you ever have a problem, you have an excellent rear hub handy for rehuild. 32 XT hub.

    I was going to suggest a Deore or LX hub then picking up a rim. But with a sale like that, you're one step ahead with an XT hub!

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    Alex rims have a marginal reputation with the under 200lb riders..

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    I bought some xt hubs with mavic 717's wraped around them.. Holy crap, they are awesome! I had to retension the wheels, but I picked up the set for $150 out the door.. Can't beat that.

    I recommend the XT hub's, they roll so nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lunchbox1972 View Post
    I recommend the XT hub's, they roll so nice.
    M'eh! I don't believe you. Send them to me for a weeklong test, then I'll let you know what I think!

    I think you're not getting them back!

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    Well now I'm feeling bad for giving my gf the set of alex rims I picked up for $50. I can just hear the complaints now about how I bought a $280 set and she gets cheapo rims. Well I suppose I'll just hope for the best and hopefully they don't explode too soon.
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    The only thing I don't know is the disc option, since I have rim breaks. Calling the wife from work to see if she will let me get them. Should be easy since she got new appliances last week

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    So I went ahead and ordered them. Once I get them I will take them into a shop to have them re tensioned. Hopefully it will be happy trails after that

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    So will rhino lite fit a 1.5 tire?????

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    I've only built one wheel in my life. I sourced an Ultegra 36h hub and decided to cheap out and buy an Alex deep dish rim considering I didn't know what I was doing.

    The wheel folded when I was trying to stress relieve it. I kid you not. Now, by no means am I saying that my wheel was well built that first time. However, it did have even tension, and was round and true. I delaced it and rebuilt the thing. It failed in the cul de sac.

    I'll NEVER buy another Alex rim as long as I live. The funny thing is the strongest rims I've ever ridden were old house brand Matrix rims. Everyone I talk to that was cycling in the 90s corroborates that they never had a Matrix rim go out of true or broke a spoke. The funny part of that is that no one ever looks to Trek and Bontrager wheels, except out of financial necessity.

    I destroyed a Mavic 231 or 238 front wheel and just threw on my old Matrix wheel from my first Trek mountain bike. You'd think I'd have some respect and try and source some old Matrix rims, huh? Nope, I'm a Mavic guy, but I've learned to look for a box rim instead of a triple wall rim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbke View Post
    The funny thing is the strongest rims I've ever ridden were old house brand Matrix rims. Everyone I talk to that was cycling in the 90s corroborates that they never had a Matrix rim go out of true or broke a spoke. The funny part of that is that no one ever looks to Trek and Bontrager wheels, except out of financial necessity. .

    You talking road or mtb bikes? MY Matrix rims didn't last over 4000 miles. Stock 32 spoke rims on my '95 Trek 1200. RSX equipped hubs. Then I had Mavic OP's handbuilt, 2 rear wheels and 1 front, different builders. Neither lasted over 2,000 miles. Front maybe 4000.

    That was then when I had to rely on shop builders (didn't know better). Who knows, maybe I could do better now building it myself but don't care to waste the money.

    OP's are noisey at the weld seam bead. One wheel split on the braking surface. Later found out Mavic had a QC problem so I'm sure they knew something was going on, so I avoid them. 230 lb buddy had problems with 36 spoke CXP-33's. I use one as a front wheel onone of my roadies, but not the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    OP's are noisey at the weld seam bead. One wheel split on the braking surface. Later found out Mavic had a QC problem so I'm sure they knew something was going on, so I avoid them. 230 lb buddy had problems with 36 spoke CXP-33's. I use one as a front wheel onone of my roadies, but not the rear.
    A few guys with my rando club have complained about Mavic OP rims. I don't like the noise, but I didn't have any durability issues with using one for an emergency backup (only a few hundred miles total). Others have complained about spokes pulling through, or the rim cracking.
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    Well.. I also broke another @%#^&$&*^%&*%@*%# spoke AGAIN on my alex rim.. that's it I am done, my Mavic Open Pro rear does great.. time to upgrade the front.

    The Alex rim snaps a spoke about every 3 commutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbke View Post
    I've only built one wheel in my life. I sourced an Ultegra 36h hub and decided to cheap out and buy an Alex deep dish rim considering I didn't know what I was doing.

    The wheel folded when I was trying to stress relieve it. I kid you not. Now, by no means am I saying that my wheel was well built that first time. However, it did have even tension, and was round and true. I delaced it and rebuilt the thing. It failed in the cul de sac.

    I'll NEVER buy another Alex rim as long as I live.
    You built your first wheel... it failed as soon as you started riding... and you are blaming the components????

    Good logic, buddyboy!

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