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    I have had good luck with Voler and surprisingly the aerotech designs are some of my favorite.

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    +1 for Performance Ultra bibs. I have had good luck with them, I got their "mid-level". There was one version cheaper, I paid around $80 for them. They have similar shorts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
    I alternate between Castelli and Santini. The Castelli fit better, they are longer, but the Chamois is larger than it needs to be. These caused some chaffing and were uncomfortable until my skin toughened.
    I find that the Castelli bibs are the worst offenders for 'permawedgie' and general discomfort. The cut is designed around their "Display in the Attack Position Only" campaign, and while I understand it's meant to be more comfortable on the bike, I don't ride in "the attack position"; so the shoulders are constantly digging in and the oversize chamois feels like a too-tight diaper.

    The PI bibs are great in the torso length, overall cut, etc. It's just that the chamois is uncomfortable after 200k (100k on a really hot & sweaty ride.)

    The Perf. Ultra chamois (Craft uses a similar pad on their Winter knickers) is a superfine microsuede-ish covering over a thin closed cell padding. On either short, I'd prefer something with more loft and support to the chamois for really long LD rides. I might do a 300k or a double century again in the Ultras or Craft knicks, but probably not a 400k, and they will definitely not be part of the wardrobe for my 600k attempt.
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    For longer rides it is Assos Mille Bibs.. You would be right in between there XLG and TIR size

    The XLG is XXL and TIR is 3XL, the do run a little on the small side.. The Mille shorts are made for longer distance riders and I usually wear mine of 50+ mile rides primarily.

    Do you use shorts or Bibs??

    For some decent deals on older assos model try: http://www.lickbike.com/sectionsubli...E=%27SHORTS%27

    I also like the Hincapie and Santini bibs.. Both these brands run about 1 size small, so if you are an XXL buy the 3xl sixe

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    "Shorts" dude here!....Thanks for the info guys, lots of good stuff here!

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    Last edited by socalrider; 10-21-09 at 03:16 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b_young View Post
    I have had good luck with the $20 performance shorts. I also have a $99 pair of Castelli bib shorts. I like them the best. But you don't like bibs. I only had the performace for the first few years. 4-5 centuries per year.
    +1 My...tail is not that sensitive, and I prefer thin padded shorts that don't take a lot of pampering to get clean. If they can't just be thrown into the washer and dryer, and last more than 2-3 seasons, then they just don't cut it for me.

    The low-end performance shorts are my all-around favorites right now. The pad in those cheap shorts is the same as was in their "Century" shorts years ago, and I wore them on a couple of centuries this year. The pad is not thick, but has a wider coverage area than the newer "anatomical" padded shorts. That just works better for me. The only draw-back is that the bottom of the legs in the 2009 version don't grip that well, and tend to ride up your leg sometimes. I don't notice that sort of thing when riding, but it is something I noticed when I get home, or just before I walk into a gas station/store on a long ride.

    My second favorite shorts are a tie between the newer Performance Century and every type of PI shorts that I've tried (I like the lower two tier ones best - thinner pads). The only thing that I have against the lower-end PI Attack shorts, is that the fabric wears out pretty quickly on places like my upper legs, usually where my well sun-screened arms occasionally hit my legs a few inches above my knee (think that the sunscreen eats the pile out of the fabric). Where the fabric falls out, they look like dark-black and completely see-through support pantyhose. I'm too cheap to buy the more expensive PI, but usually get a pair for Christmas every other year.

    I hate the Performance Ultra and gel models. Too much padding for me.

    The only thing that I have against Greneau and Castilli shorts, is that the pad is too narrow for me (chafing). They seem to hold up just fine, otherwise.

    Other brands that I've gotten for Christmas include Cannondale and Addidas, and both sort of fell apart after a short time.

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    Pinyon, you might want to double check the Century vs. Ultra shorts. The Ultras have a much thinner padding than the bulky loft of the Century.

    I agree about the Gel models, though. I retired a pair of Century Gels after the first century I did in them. Bulky, heavy, and non-breathable padding and fabric for the entire short, including the bib upper. Egad, I thought I was going to sweat to death in them.
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    I'm really digging my Giordana Silverline bibs for under $60. They have the non-bib shorts for a few bucks less. Very nice fit for me.
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    Specialized BG Pro...for me the most comfortable chamois around. The Specialized brand is definitely not euro sized and you may want to try on the bibs they seem to be cut long. I have some Sugoi bibs that are not nearly as long in the torso as specialized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliftonGK1 View Post
    ...I agree about the Gel models, though. I retired a pair of Century Gels after the first century I did in them. Bulky, heavy, and non-breathable padding and fabric for the entire short, including the bib upper. Egad, I thought I was going to sweat to death in them.
    +2 The pad has to be thin enough to dry out a little bit when I stand up. Standing up while going down a big hill is a great way to get dryer, and keep more comfortable on a long ride.

    Thicker pads also make it harder to find the right position on the saddle when I sit down again. With thinner pads, I just plop down and keep going. Thicker pads feel squishy and...sticky on the saddle. I just want to sit and ride, not have a 15-second "does that feel right?" session with multiple adjustments.

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    Assos isn't in the right ballpark price unless you get some off of ebay or some good sales. I tried Assos bibs and they are the best my bum has met. I have tried Castelli, PI, Descent and other brands, always thought that these brands were great but after using Assos, there isn't any comparison. Assos is a superior product. Find some on sale and get a set and you will not turn back. I haven't tried a lot of euro brands since they don't make anything in my waist size. In the future this is the only brand of shorts that I will buy. The guy that sold me my first pair warned me that they are addictive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Last time I bought shorts I bought 2 pair PI Quest shorts and 1 pair Ultra sensors. Quest were $45 each and the Ultra Sensors $110. I figured I'd use the Quest for shorter rides and the US for longer rides. Boy was I wrong! The US model had really skimped on the chamois!:
    More chamois isnt always better on longer rides. Everyone is different though. My favorite cycling shorts are Pearl Izumi Triathalon shorts. Very thin padding. 60 plus miles of hard pedaling starts to shove that thicker padding somewhere if u know what I mean

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    You guys should just be thankful you can wear shorts at all.

    I have a 60 inch waist and there is no cycling gear made for me. I just have to wear normal board shorts which become irritating after only a few k's

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    I used to like Performance Ultras...till I started using Voler bibs.

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    My favourite bibs are some that are unfortunately hard to find around the US. Kalas. My old boss is a rep for them, and I have a pair of bibs (retail $200-ish) that I got by trading a pair of Keo pedals. They are the most amazingly comfortable bibs I've ever worn.

    I haven't tried Assos, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Rob View Post
    You guys should just be thankful you can wear shorts at all.

    I have a 60 inch waist and there is no cycling gear made for me. I just have to wear normal board shorts which become irritating after only a few k's
    Aerotech Designs 5XL is a 54 - 56 waist. I'll bet you could fit in those.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Rob View Post
    You guys should just be thankful you can wear shorts at all.

    I have a 60 inch waist and there is no cycling gear made for me. I just have to wear normal board shorts which become irritating after only a few k's
    You just haven't looked enough. One of the brands that I've carried for years, and will carry at my very own shop, is Borah. Here's their sizing chart. Look at the 4XL shorts. I'll bet they'd fit you, even though they aren't technically a 60.


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    No trust me. I cant go smaller than 60 inches at the waist. What feels firm now becomes unbearable uncomfortable after a few keys as the eleastic either cuts you in half or rides down so ya coinslot is showing. Not a good solution either way.

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    I've done best with a pair of Verge shorts bought to help out my alma mater's cycling team/club, and a few pairs of Performance Ultras. Been interested in teh Pearl Izumi US. Performance Century Shorts don't make it for me, but I do like the warmth of the thicker Lycra. I take a large these days.

    One of my LBS really goes for Cannondale shorts. Anyone tried them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Rob View Post
    No trust me. I cant go smaller than 60 inches at the waist. What feels firm now becomes unbearable uncomfortable after a few keys as the eleastic either cuts you in half or rides down so ya coinslot is showing. Not a good solution either way.
    You need to give some bibs a try. These issues are exactly the reason why bibs exist. No binding elastic at the waist, and they're not going to roll in front at the waist or end up low-riding in the back. Heck, I'm not even very big anymore (compared to my previous weight), but I won't switch from bibs back to regular shorts.
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    I think I would like bibs, if I could find some that were made for a long torso, because the ones that I have tried on are made for shorter people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flip18436572 View Post
    I think I would like bibs, if I could find some that were made for a long torso, because the ones that I have tried on are made for shorter people.
    I'm 6'6", 225 and wear Performance Ultras, Craft Winter knickers, PI Ultrasensors and PI Gavia Plus tights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Rob View Post
    No trust me. I cant go smaller than 60 inches at the waist. What feels firm now becomes unbearable uncomfortable after a few keys as the eleastic either cuts you in half or rides down so ya coinslot is showing. Not a good solution either way.
    You really need to try the Love2Pedal bibs in the 4x size. I think they should fit you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban Turkey View Post
    I'm really digging my Giordana Silverline bibs for under $60. They have the non-bib shorts for a few bucks less. Very nice fit for me.
    x2.

    I have the shorts and love them. They're a massive upgrade from those $10 Nashbar "liner shorts" I got

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