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    need help with rear wheel

    So I've broken 2 spokes in the last 115-130 miles or so both were rear drive side.

    I'm around 250# the wheel is a formula 24 spoke with about 1500 miles, these are the stock wheels on the bike

    So I take it to the shop to get it fixed and ask if there is any thing that can be done to help prevent this from happening again. He said that the wheel might be on its last leg. I would think that I could get more miles out of this set before replacing. The first 1400 miles I didn't have any problems other than having it trued after the first 500 miles. Do you guys think that there is anything that can be done to get some more miles out of the wheel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by divecon2k4 View Post
    So I've broken 2 spokes in the last 115-130 miles or so both were rear drive side.

    I'm around 250# the wheel is a formula 24 spoke with about 1500 miles, these are the stock wheels on the bike

    So I take it to the shop to get it fixed and ask if there is any thing that can be done to help prevent this from happening again. He said that the wheel might be on its last leg. I would think that I could get more miles out of this set before replacing. The first 1400 miles I didn't have any problems other than having it trued after the first 500 miles. Do you guys think that there is anything that can be done to get some more miles out of the wheel?

    Thanks,

    Matt
    I'm not an expert, but I AM really hard on wheels.
    If you break a spoke and have to ride on the wheel like that, the rest of the spokes are stressed in directions they are not ready for, so you may continue to lose spokes on this wheel. You can rescue it by having it rebuilt with new spokes by a good wheelsmith (not the guy who told you the wheel is dead, he's trying to sell a new pair of wheels). At my LBS you would pay about $60 for parts and labor to rebuild that wheel with DT or wheelsmith spokes. Bladed or otherwise fancier spokes are more expensive, obviously.

    Some folks here will tell you to switch to a sturdier wheel with more spokes. I did that myself. However, if you got 1400 miles out of the one you are on you might be gentle enough to stay with it.
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    Take the wheel to another LBS and ask if they can rebuild it and how much, or if they know of someone in the area that is very good with rebuilding wheels. I have 3000+ miles on my lower spoke count wheels. It can be toast, but probably also be rebuilt.
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    IMO, a rider can fiddle faddle around, take chances hoping the wheels will work after rebuilding, hoping htey get a good builder but why? I didn't really start enjoying cycling till I found a wheel that eliminated all worries of whether or not I would make it home after that day's ride.

    Find an inexpensive hub online, a Deep V online, then take it to a good builder. OR copntact the guy on the road forum "Psimet". He's been building whels at good prices for quite a few posters as side jobs. A 32 spoke Deep V should last. The wheel I built lasted over 20,000 miles with no worries. Only reason I retired the rim was brake surface wore out and blistered. Can't take chances in nthis sport. Wheel was still true!

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    I agree with Mr. Beans. Once you break 2-3 spokes, it is usually time to have the wheel re-built. I would get a new rim (Velocity Deep V, Mavic Open Pro, etc.), and ask around locally to find a REALLY decent wheel shop/person that builds wheels, or get one from a really decent online vendor, or learn how to do it yourself. I've done it myself, but don't like to do it, and luckily have a couple of local places that really stand behind their work (free annual wheel truing and spoke tensioning, will rebuild wheel for free with new spokes if it has problems withing 2 years/6000 miles - sans an accident, loved by local racers and clydes, etc.).

    Not worrying about the wheels coming out of true or busting spokes all the time makes riding a lot more enjoyable. It was the best $150 I ever spent on bike equipment, hands-down (price just for new spokes, Mavic Open Pro rim, and labor).

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    I personally feel Clydes should stay away from Open Pros and opt for the Velocity Deep V or CXP33 instead. I use spoke head washers on my builds and take the time to do it right. All wheels of similar parts are not necessarily created equal!

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    250 lbs on 24 spokes is asking a lot from your wheels. And without more spokes the wheels just don't have the ability to resist failure.

    You need more spokes (28 minimum) and a deep(er) V rim.
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    Thanks for all the input. I leaning towards getting the wheel rebuilt for the time being, a whole new set of wheels isn't in my budget at the moment. DT and wheelsmith spokes were mentioned is there a certain gage that would be better to use for a rebuild? Also strait gage or DB?
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    Quote Originally Posted by divecon2k4 View Post
    Thanks for all the input. I leaning towards getting the wheel rebuilt for the time being, a whole new set of wheels isn't in my budget at the moment. DT and wheelsmith spokes were mentioned is there a certain gage that would be better to use for a rebuild? Also strait gage or DB?
    I'd use the DT Champion with spoke head washers or the Alpine III without. Wheelsmiths are OK, but their spoke runs a slightly thinner center at 1.7mm.

    I avoid straight gauge spokes. I feel they exist for price considerations, not strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divecon2k4 View Post
    , a whole new set of wheels isn't in my budget at the moment.
    You don't a whole new set, just the rear wheel. I's not as expensive as you think if you shop around. Heck, I've given hubs and rims and wheels away. Maybe a friend has an extra 32 hub laying around? Then it's the rim and the build. Much better than wasting $62 here and there, now and later!


    I've always used straight gauge 14 DT spokes. Never a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by divecon2k4 View Post
    So I've broken 2 spokes in the last 115-130 miles or so both were rear drive side.

    I'm around 250# the wheel is a formula 24 spoke with about 1500 miles, these are the stock wheels on the bike

    So I take it to the shop to get it fixed and ask if there is any thing that can be done to help prevent this from happening again. He said that the wheel might be on its last leg. I would think that I could get more miles out of this set before replacing. The first 1400 miles I didn't have any problems other than having it trued after the first 500 miles. Do you guys think that there is anything that can be done to get some more miles out of the wheel?

    Thanks,
    i bought a used mavic ksyrium sl rear wheel and have put on like 3000 miles on it not one spoke broken yet. i also wiegh 260 pounds. i had a rear coda/mavic wheel that died after only 500 miles spokes kept breaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeWise1 View Post
    I'd use the DT Champion with spoke head washers or the Alpine III without. Wheelsmiths are OK, but their spoke runs a slightly thinner center at 1.7mm.

    I avoid straight gauge spokes. I feel they exist for price considerations, not strength.
    I'm also a DT fan over Wheelsmith, but I build all my wheels with Champion 2.0 (14ga) straight spokes. At 225 - 230 pounds and an agressive hill climber, I don't like the wheel flex I can feel in a pair of Competition or Alpine spokes. Standing and hammering up a hill, or throwing the bike back and forth in a sprint puts a lot of pressure on the wheel and I feel that the stiffness gained from using a straight gauge spoke more than makes up for the lack of compliance when hitting road hazards like potholes, etc. I rely more on my tires (28mm) to soak up chatter and mild impact issues than the spokes.
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